Spray bottles and slips.
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Spray bottles and slips.
The proposal: Change the required number of reagents on a tile for it to count as a wet/lubed tile to be more than 15.
Why?: Because spray bottles full of lube are horrifically strong.
What else does this affect?: Janitor's mops, mainly. You can still pour beakers on the floor to make it wet/lubed, but you have to use a spray bottle two or three times per tile (thereby limiting its effectiveness). We could change janitor mops to force a wet overlay, I suppose.
Why?: Because spray bottles full of lube are horrifically strong.
What else does this affect?: Janitor's mops, mainly. You can still pour beakers on the floor to make it wet/lubed, but you have to use a spray bottle two or three times per tile (thereby limiting its effectiveness). We could change janitor mops to force a wet overlay, I suppose.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
You're proposing janitors to no longer slip people when mopping by default.
I would be opposed to this.
I would be opposed to this.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
"We could change janitor mops to force a wet overlay, I suppose."
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
1: No
2: No
3: Stop trying to nerf slips you assblasted cucks
4: No
2: No
3: Stop trying to nerf slips you assblasted cucks
4: No
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
No. Then there's no real way to apply water/lube to turfs.
You'd be better off reducing the amount each spray can hold to 50% of normal capacity. So long as the slip duration changes were reverted, I'd be totally good with that.
You'd be better off reducing the amount each spray can hold to 50% of normal capacity. So long as the slip duration changes were reverted, I'd be totally good with that.
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Did people just forget you could splash shit on the ground with reagent holding containers or something?
I'm not exactly for a spray nerfing I'm just saying.
I'm not exactly for a spray nerfing I'm just saying.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
This is not call of duty where everything is perfectly, symmetrically balanced. Harden the fuck up, and accept that people have the means to fuck you up.
I for one am fucking tired of the constant nerfing of dangerous things. It reminds me of the despicable culture of safety legislation that pervades the western world and has ruined every dangerous sport from the last century.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Hey, do you guys recall the many times when you got a little Windex on the floor and you fell on your face when you stepped on it?
Me neither.
Me neither.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
You use windex as lube?
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Muh realism!Luke Cox wrote:Hey, do you guys recall the many times when you got a little Windex on the floor and you fell on your face when you stepped on it?
Me neither.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
ShadowDimentio wrote:Stop trying to nerf slips you assblasted cucks
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Hey guys do you remember the many times you were going to have sex with someone and were using lube, then spilled it on the ground and DIDN'T slip on it?Luke Cox wrote:Hey, do you guys recall the many times when you got a little Windex on the floor and you fell on your face when you stepped on it?
Me neither.
Me neither
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
A more sane solution would be to have the dry time twice of how much reagent is on the ground.
10u and 5,000u drying in 10 seconds is kinda dumb.
10u and 5,000u drying in 10 seconds is kinda dumb.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
The simpler solution would be to just make spray bottles spray fewer reagents and/or hold fewer.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Holding fewer just nerfs botany though. Which isn't doing great. And why would you even nerf this.MisterPerson wrote:The simpler solution would be to just make spray bottles spray fewer reagents and/or hold fewer.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
I think most of the people here are missing the point about why water slips got nerfed.
It's less than 1/10 of an inch of water, literally less than your fucking fingernail as far as thickness, and it somehow made fully grown people fly head over heels onto the ground and stun them for only one second less than literal electricity from a taser. That is retarded.
It's less than 1/10 of an inch of water, literally less than your fucking fingernail as far as thickness, and it somehow made fully grown people fly head over heels onto the ground and stun them for only one second less than literal electricity from a taser. That is retarded.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
ShadowDimentio wrote:Muh realism!
ShadowDimentio wrote:Stop trying to nerf slips you assblasted cucks
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
If you want to take the realism point of view, mop a vinyl or smooth metal floor, then try run over it.Zilenan91 wrote:I think most of the people here are missing the point about why water slips got nerfed.
It's less than 1/10 of an inch of water, literally less than your fucking fingernail as far as thickness, and it somehow made fully grown people fly head over heels onto the ground and stun them for only one second less than literal electricity from a taser. That is retarded.
You will fall, you will most likely smack your head, and you will be flat on your ass.
Spray bottles are dumb with how much capacity they have though.
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I take it you've never actually worked a day where floors had to be mopped daily on hard tile.Zilenan91 wrote:It's less than 1/10 of an inch of water, literally less than your fucking fingernail as far as thickness, and it somehow made fully grown people fly head over heels onto the ground and stun them for only one second less than literal electricity from a taser. That is retarded.
Also 1/10th of an inch is less than the thickness of your fingernail? Are you fucking Shrek?
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
lumipharon wrote:If you want to take the realism point of view, mop a vinyl or smooth metal floor, then try run over it.Zilenan91 wrote:I think most of the people here are missing the point about why water slips got nerfed.
It's less than 1/10 of an inch of water, literally less than your fucking fingernail as far as thickness, and it somehow made fully grown people fly head over heels onto the ground and stun them for only one second less than literal electricity from a taser. That is retarded.
You will fall, you will most likely smack your head, and you will be flat on your ass.
Spray bottles are dumb with how much capacity they have though.
I'm not saying that running over a floor full of water is a good idea, I'm just saying that if you're a high functioning human being you're only gonna be down for 1 or 2 seconds.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Try it. I have slipped on wet kitchen floors and I have seen other people do it. It's a serious fucking hazard dude, you really have no idea.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
I've worked in kitchens before, and unless you have a really really really hard fall you're gonna be up in about two seconds.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
I can confirm. There's a dog water cooler on the floor on the way between my computer and the kitchen, and the floor's always wet. I've slipped on it several times, and even the time I caught myself by putting my hand behind my back and catching myself before I hit the ground (fucking agile as fuck yo) it still took me like 10 seconds to get up.
BUT REGARDLESS
Now stop banging that barrel. You're making yourself look like an idiot.
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Who the fuck cares what the "MUH REALISM" choice is. This is 2d motherfucking spacemen. If I wanted PREMIER ULTRA REALISTIC GAMEPLAY I'd go play CoD and promptly kill myselfShadowDimentio wrote:Muh realism!
Now stop banging that barrel. You're making yourself look like an idiot.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
I don't care at all about realism, I care that Amelius is murderboning every single round and everyone is tired of him using the same exact thing to do it. It's frankly toxic, and the only way to stop him without literally banning him (which would be shit) is nerfing slips.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Yeah, I am frankly assblasted, because eventually I get tired of having to deal with water in maint that is literally uncounterable without literally destroying the floor the water is on. Tiles don't work, because for some arcane reason putting a tile on top of maint flooring makes the water go on top of the damn thing, and the entire time I'm dealing with stun land mines Amelius just yakkities away in a chase sequence that's more retarded than a wizard who went 5 blink.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Working in a kitchen with tile floors, non slip shoes are mandatory or you'd slip.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
and if amelius, or any other mlgpr0360nosc0per murderboner we've had down the years goes to the next best thing to murderbone?
Are you going to nerf that?
The the next?
Also if you're chasing a traitor blindly into maint on your own you deserve to die.
Are you going to nerf that?
The the next?
Also if you're chasing a traitor blindly into maint on your own you deserve to die.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
If the only thing you have left to say is "Kill yourself", don't say anything at all.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Except I'm not going on my own, I'm going with literally the entire sec team. By the time Amelius has gotten the entire sec teams attention she's robusted at least one officer and has a full set of tools. THAT IS HOW FORMULAIC THIS SHIT IS I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING.
She slips and kills an officer, she now has a taser
She sits down a hallway and to the side so she can't be hit
She puts water everywhere
You cannot advance on her without her tossing stacks of metal rods or other shit at you to give you constant knockback you can't resist without running, which on water stuns you.
She does the exact same thing every single round and it's fucking awful. Slips are the enabler of this, so that's why I want them nerfed, just to remove the goddamn stagnance. It is very very hard to explain just how bad it is without you experiencing it frequently.
She slips and kills an officer, she now has a taser
She sits down a hallway and to the side so she can't be hit
She puts water everywhere
You cannot advance on her without her tossing stacks of metal rods or other shit at you to give you constant knockback you can't resist without running, which on water stuns you.
She does the exact same thing every single round and it's fucking awful. Slips are the enabler of this, so that's why I want them nerfed, just to remove the goddamn stagnance. It is very very hard to explain just how bad it is without you experiencing it frequently.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
?????MisterPerson wrote:If the only thing you have left to say is "Kill yourself", don't say anything at all.
I literally didn't say anything like that at all but okay Mr. Bannu you can think what you want
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
X person murderboning
murderboning enabled by slips
Are slips an issue when you're using a bucket?
No
Are slips an issue when using a beaker?
No
Are slips anissue when using a mop?
No(fuck janitors without signs, but its hardly a murderboner tool)
Are slips an issue when using a spray bottle?
Yes
Why do spray bottles make it so abusable?
Because they can wet 50 or 20 tiles per refill
So tell me again why you're nerfing slips?
murderboning enabled by slips
Are slips an issue when you're using a bucket?
No
Are slips an issue when using a beaker?
No
Are slips anissue when using a mop?
No(fuck janitors without signs, but its hardly a murderboner tool)
Are slips an issue when using a spray bottle?
Yes
Why do spray bottles make it so abusable?
Because they can wet 50 or 20 tiles per refill
So tell me again why you're nerfing slips?
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Because water is so easily available? You can get an unlimited amount of it from every sink on the station. It truly wouldn't matter if she was using buckets for all of this, all she'd have to do is keep refilling them after every use. Same with beakers, she could fill every one of them and stash them in her bag. Mops take time and are mostly used for cleaning, would not be as strong but still useful.
It's a four second stun that requires no preparation, merely a container ranging from an empty cup of cup ramen to a bucket, to a spray bottle.
It's a four second stun that requires no preparation, merely a container ranging from an empty cup of cup ramen to a bucket, to a spray bottle.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
literally this is just nerfing part of the game cuz one player abuses it
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And all you dummies saying its not realistic to slip walking over a small puddle of water on a smooth metal tile floor need to check their fucking hud and notice what the speed indicator says.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
None of the spray bottles in botany are relevant in the amount of liquids they hold. Using plant killer is just way worse than deconstructing and reconstructing the trays (which you only need a screwdriver and a crowbar for) and I don't think I've ever sprayed pest spray more than like twice a round.Helios wrote:Holding fewer just nerfs botany though. Which isn't doing great. And why would you even nerf this.MisterPerson wrote:The simpler solution would be to just make spray bottles spray fewer reagents and/or hold fewer.
Also botany can grow eswords/lube/max cap grenades/fucking kudzu, I don't know why you think it's in such a bad place.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
because nobody plays it
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If you seriously think that someone running around with a bucket, making tiles wet one at a time between refills is on the same level as running around wetting 50 tiles at a time, then uh, yeah.Zilenan91 wrote:Because water is so easily available? You can get an unlimited amount of it from every sink on the station. It truly wouldn't matter if she was using buckets for all of this, all she'd have to do is keep refilling them after every use. Same with beakers, she could fill every one of them and stash them in her bag. Mops take time and are mostly used for cleaning, would not be as strong but still useful.
It's a four second stun that requires no preparation, merely a container ranging from an empty cup of cup ramen to a bucket, to a spray bottle.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
I just want hydro to be really good at making poison food. Instead of chemisty being the mother of all toxins. Having a guy growing killer mushrooms in the back should mean something.
Also slips rule apply thing that makes lost pls nerfers i lost pls nerf to them until they toughen up.
Also slips rule apply thing that makes lost pls nerfers i lost pls nerf to them until they toughen up.
Hell some surfaces are slippery enough you can't stand on them without being extremely slow. Algae growing on things like rocks on beaches or smooth concrete comes to mind and that's just natural shit.Super Aggro Crag wrote:And all you dummies saying its not realistic to slip walking over a small puddle of water on a smooth metal tile floor need to check their fucking hud and notice what the speed indicator says.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
If water slips go back to their old form make taser shots last longer. Water shouldn't be nearly as viable as a taser.
Of course, I don't know WHY you'd want water in its old form. You can still murder people you slip easily, just not whole groups of people anymore.
Of course, I don't know WHY you'd want water in its old form. You can still murder people you slip easily, just not whole groups of people anymore.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
I mop up the hard tiles at my workplace and even a little water is pretty slippery walking on it let alone running
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Realism from a regular person's perspective is fine but you people are forgetting were talking about SPACEMEN here. They're practically superhuman compared to a regular person so I dunno if the comparisons work very well.
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did you just go from "it's unrealistic because you don't slip in real life and therefore we should remove it" to "it's unrealistic because spacemen don't slip in a video game" ???????MMMiracles wrote:Realism from a regular person's perspective is fine but you people are forgetting were talking about SPACEMEN here. They're practically superhuman compared to a regular person so I dunno if the comparisons work very well.
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"it's unrealistic because it doesn't apply to something else that's also not real"
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
Nobody gives half a shit about realism anyway. The only relevant argument has been and remains the gameplay effect of allowing this vs the possible detriments of disallowing it.
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Re: Spray bottles and slips.
invisty wrote:This is not call of duty where everything is perfectly, symmetrically balanced. Harden the fuck up, and accept that people have the means to fuck you up.
I for one am fucking tired of the constant nerfing of dangerous things. It reminds me of the despicable culture of safety legislation that pervades the western world and has ruined every dangerous sport from the last century.
MisterPerson wrote:Nobody gives half a shit about realism anyway. The only relevant argument has been and remains the gameplay effect of allowing this vs the possible detriments of a disallowing it.
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what are you even talking abouuutPKPenguin321 wrote:did you just go from "it's unrealistic because you don't slip in real life and therefore we should remove it" to "it's unrealistic because spacemen don't slip in a video game" ???????MMMiracles wrote:Realism from a regular person's perspective is fine but you people are forgetting were talking about SPACEMEN here. They're practically superhuman compared to a regular person so I dunno if the comparisons work very well.
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"it's unrealistic because it doesn't apply to something else that's also not real"
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i don't give a shit about the 'its not realistic!!/its realistic!' argument because its fucking dumb for that exact reason. its unbalanced as fuck compared to other slips and literally nothing can change my mind on that.
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