Kor wrote:Atlanta-Ned wrote:Valid vs. not valid is cancer. Kill the concept with fire.
Having 0 idea of what could get you banned or not and having to memorize the opinions of 40 admins instead would be much much worse.
Mackerel wrote:please don't make 2 separate rule sets for bagil and sybil
please
Why not?
Because rules are always about context and thus our rules are fine for Bagil. It only muddles things if you really try to re-write the rules when the reality is that its the same damn deal just with a lot more new/hub players who have no idea what they're doing and thus the standard "first time's a warning" type stuff applies.
Also I'd like to reiterate my concern about a lack of escalation policy. Can the captain kill someone for following them into their office? If someone starts a fight by slipping someone, are they permitted to use lethal force if the victim also escalates to lethal force? If so, at what level of "provocation" is someone no longer allowed to retaliate with lethal force against lethal force?
Last week we had an incident, the facts were contested but let's go with the "most difficult" version just to illustrate how hard these decisions can be:
1) Science has combat shotguns in RND
2) Assistant goes through the open doors and sees the combat shotties
3) He grabs one and runs for it
4) Scientist picks up another shotty and starts shooting at the thief, thief has nowhere to run.
5) Scientist misses his shots, assistant shoots back and crits the scientist before escaping
2 other admins were ready to ban the assistant, I disagreed. I felt like you could make a case that if someone wants to immediately escalate to the highest form of retaliation for a modest crime - then the criminal shouldn't be forced to accept death for it if they can avoid it, even if it means using lethal force right back. There are comparisons to stealing the armory but robbing guns from security typically entails a much higher crime than grabbing a spare shotgun from RND. I know I had an incident before I was an admin where I had intruders/thieves/etc. murder me after I crit them (and they got healed, came back for revenge) and was told it was valid. You can rethink this situation in a hundred forms but
at what point does an aggression become so small that the aggressor can use lethal force in self-defense? or so large that the aggressor cannot defend themselves with lethal force, even if it means certain death?