The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than good
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The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than good
Seriously. I have so many good rounds ruined by getting banned by that shit. Please remove it until it works properly, or the server getting brigaded by evil people.
Edit: Honestly, if some people force you to enable a system that randomly bans half the server every few hours, than the terrorists have won. I rather be maxcapped twice a day than getting banned once.
Edit: Honestly, if some people force you to enable a system that randomly bans half the server every few hours, than the terrorists have won. I rather be maxcapped twice a day than getting banned once.
- Lumbermancer
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
I'm yet to get banned by this. You just need to get good.
- Aloraydrel
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
>every few hours
- AnonymousNow
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Just happened to me. This Slugger person was the target.
Hornygranny wrote:It's not your codebase. It's our codebase. You can imply soft power as much as you want, but you don't have it. Division between the server and project is absolute. I'm not interested in reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and won't be checking back in this thread.
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Stickyban is a byond feature and not ours, it's really effective against evaders.
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Maybe you guys are not affected, but the server went from 80 to 30 people or so. It is effective against everyone. Is it really worth it? (Honestly, I dont know if its worth it, I dont have the numbers.) Why not have it on a toggle and enable it only when evaders are trying to grief?
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
it's a sliding scale between freedom and security
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Ive been banned by the system a few times now, but honestly if the system is actually catching the proper users, then im fine with it. The inconvenience of an occasional ban is nothing if the stickyban actually sticks to the shit player who earned it.
...and im sure if i ever get banned whilst playing an important role, the admins will be gentle, right? RIGHT?
...and im sure if i ever get banned whilst playing an important role, the admins will be gentle, right? RIGHT?
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Better a hundred innocent players get banned than one ban evader go free.
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Kor wrote:Better a hundred innocent players get banned than one ban evader go free.
- Davidchan
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
I dunno, we are the only server I know with stickyban issues. We either have tons of ban evaders or something isn't setup right.
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
It's another shitty byond feature, relying on it, even though it does stop the occasional ban evader, causes more harm than good to the player base.
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- paprika
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
I don't think it's a question of freedom, it's a question of how annoying it is to get around
Because ban evaders will always get around this amateur garbage
Because ban evaders will always get around this amateur garbage
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Which banned person is Gorgi then
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- MrStonedOne
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
I have a trick up my sleeve to make the game code automatically detect these false positives and revert the stick bans to before the false positives, i've just been busy coding other projects.
I'll try to pop it higher up on my list.
I'll try to pop it higher up on my list.
- iamgoofball
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
I was thinking of making it reject new stickybans placed within 10 minutes of eachother
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Thanks for looking into it.MrStonedOne wrote:I have a trick up my sleeve to make the game code automatically detect these false positives and revert the stick bans to before the false positives, i've just been busy coding other projects.
I'll try to pop it higher up on my list.
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Well good to know this is being looked into. Seems to be getting more common on my end.
- Armhulen
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
i've never been sticky banned, so I think the answer simply is
Lumbermancer wrote:You just need to get good.
- MrStonedOne
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/19201
basically, if in a round, more than:
2 admins
5 already connected users
10 users
trigger, then it will revert the state of the sticky ban to what it was before round start.
basically, if in a round, more than:
2 admins
5 already connected users
10 users
trigger, then it will revert the state of the sticky ban to what it was before round start.
- AnonymousNow
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Happened again.Banned by host: Whoops guess this guy was evading too. Createbobob
Hornygranny wrote:It's not your codebase. It's our codebase. You can imply soft power as much as you want, but you don't have it. Division between the server and project is absolute. I'm not interested in reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and won't be checking back in this thread.
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Or add in tarajans and make all tarajans valid
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- DemonFiren
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Tajaran.
The term is tajaran.
Or spesskhajiit.
The term is tajaran.
Or spesskhajiit.
- Jazaen
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
The CORRECT term is "target practice", mind.
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Also, I'm a Game Admin or something right now. You can tell me how I'm doing here
I seriously hope you don't make the same mistakes I have
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Also, I'm a Game Admin or something right now. You can tell me how I'm doing here
I seriously hope you don't make the same mistakes I have
- oranges
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Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Everyone send MSO forum pm's about https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/19201 until he finishes it.
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