How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
- Kelenius
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How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
So I just had the most insane idea on how to fix the lack of security ever.
Make it tied to you choosing to be a traitor.
The game picks slightly more people for the traitors, but a few of them become security officers, if ones from job selection don't fit all slots.
So if you'll want to get your antags, you'll have to occasionally play security.
Insane, eh?
Make it tied to you choosing to be a traitor.
The game picks slightly more people for the traitors, but a few of them become security officers, if ones from job selection don't fit all slots.
So if you'll want to get your antags, you'll have to occasionally play security.
Insane, eh?
Last edited by Kelenius on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Why not just re-enable sec antag instead of making things convoluted?
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Let it go.bandit wrote:Why not just re-enable sec antag instead of making things convoluted?
Just let it go.
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- bandit
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
No, considering it could solve literally all the problems and hacky convoluted "fixes" brought up.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Start a bloody poll thread on Sec Antag if you really desperately want it back. I detest Sec Antag for many reasons I won't go into detail since that would be off topic.
On topic. Well, it would essentially be forcing a large section of players to play one of the most high stress rolls in the game, usually against their will.
Honestly I would rather have a system where you can still be selected for a antag slot if you do get selected to be a Officer, but you instead get selected a non-protected roll if you do get picked for a antag.
On topic. Well, it would essentially be forcing a large section of players to play one of the most high stress rolls in the game, usually against their will.
Honestly I would rather have a system where you can still be selected for a antag slot if you do get selected to be a Officer, but you instead get selected a non-protected roll if you do get picked for a antag.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
I already notice sec officers going braindead at the start of the shift, presumably getting the job at random.
- Kelenius
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
The thing is, they're not forced: they can just untick traitor and not worry about it.Steelpoint wrote:Start a bloody poll thread on Sec Antag if you really desperately want it back. I detest Sec Antag for many reasons I won't go into detail since that would be off topic.
On topic. Well, it would essentially be forcing a large section of players to play one of the most high stress rolls in the game, usually against their will.
Honestly I would rather have a system where you can still be selected for a antag slot if you do get selected to be a Officer, but you instead get selected a non-protected roll if you do get picked for a antag.
If you do want to be a traitor, though, work up for it by being an officer sometimes.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Wicked, but kind of awesome too.
- paprika
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
not a terrible idea but would likely be rejected and made security even worse. I would rather sec be chosen from the cream of the crop who CHOOSE to be security, not people who will blame being bad at security on 'i wanna play antag ;('
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
This, basically.paprika wrote:not a terrible idea but would likely be rejected and made security even worse. I would rather sec be chosen from the cream of the crop who CHOOSE to be security, not people who will blame being bad at security on 'i wanna play antag ;('
Though I think there might be some merit to just having Sec slots filled first. So if 5 people have Sec to medium and MD set to medium, it tends to put them in Sec first. Nobody's forced to do anything they haven't checked Yes to already.
And if everyone's setting Sec to NEVER then we have a bigger problem on our hands.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
I actually like the idea of having Sec roles being prioritized for being filled for players with only MEDIUM selected.
Seems more subtle than outright forcing players to go Sec.
Seems more subtle than outright forcing players to go Sec.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
That's a good way to get people to uncheck sec from their job roles.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
I think they might already be.Steelpoint wrote:I actually like the idea of having Sec roles being prioritized for being filled for players with only MEDIUM selected.
Seems more subtle than outright forcing players to go Sec.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
License to grif criminals.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
I feel this would be forcing sec jobs, honestly if this got forced on me, I would go braindead at start out of spite.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Give sec Disablers so they can deal with petty shittlers easier, without the hassle of brigging?
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Forcing people to be a high-stress position, which is at times heavily scrutinized by administration, because they wanted to become an antagonist isn't really a good idea. It will lead to an increase in braindead security officers, which will in turn lead to more security equipment ending up into the hands of general populace.
Or is it?
This is some weird double-edged sword in my opinion. I like it, but I hate it at the same time. The same effect could be achieved by allowing security to be antagonists again, however it seems like people consider that a fate worse than cancer. I personally support antag sec, and feel that it would help alleviate the issue of filling security roles better than the proposed method would.
Or is it?
This is some weird double-edged sword in my opinion. I like it, but I hate it at the same time. The same effect could be achieved by allowing security to be antagonists again, however it seems like people consider that a fate worse than cancer. I personally support antag sec, and feel that it would help alleviate the issue of filling security roles better than the proposed method would.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Anything but the cancer that was Antag Sec.
Although Assistants need to be fixed before Sec is.
Although Assistants need to be fixed before Sec is.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
This would probably lead to round-start braindead security officers... or if it's being administered right and people will get banned for that, forced officers would just do their work very poorly.
The question here is, is it better to have a full but poorly working security team, than to have an okay but (mostly) minimal security team?
The question here is, is it better to have a full but poorly working security team, than to have an okay but (mostly) minimal security team?
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Would much rather have a handful who know the rules and actually want to do it over Greyshirt McGee being forced to be a rentacop
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
There was a discussion earlier today in coderbus about this issue and it is agreed that it a few things codewise needs to be done. Including having all roundstart antags chosen before job assingment and there was a talk about other things that could be done. One most people may disagree with but wouldn't effect their chances of being a antag but would mean there is a minimum amount of people on all departments.
This is requiring a rewrite of most roundstart job and antag selection to varying degrees though.
This is requiring a rewrite of most roundstart job and antag selection to varying degrees though.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Its been brought up for a very long time that antags should be selected before their job is assigned.
I think that alone will encourage more people to come back to Security since they will no longer be surrendering their antag rights. Which is also why I have respect for players who play Security regularly knowing they are forfeiting most of their antag rights.
I think that alone will encourage more people to come back to Security since they will no longer be surrendering their antag rights. Which is also why I have respect for players who play Security regularly knowing they are forfeiting most of their antag rights.
- Kelenius
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
IMO antags should not just be selected before the job assignments, I believe that in secret antags should be chosen before the roundtype is chosen. And then for every gamemode the game checks if choosing this players for antags would still allow the round to run. This could allow some special restrictions for rounds like rev (requiring certain amount of heads of staff).
- Arete
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Are there any reasons not to select who plays antag before selecting who plays which job?
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
Of course. If I select only protected jobs, which I often do, and I get antag, I will end up with some random role which I might not like.Arete wrote:Are there any reasons not to select who plays antag before selecting who plays which job?
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
It's not exactly intuitive, but couldn't you solve that by putting protected jobs as medium priority, jobs that you're okay with playing as antag at low priority, and everything else as never?Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Of course. If I select only protected jobs, which I often do, and I get antag, I will end up with some random role which I might not like.
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Re: How to fix nosec problem [Insanity]
I'm okay with playing everything. Every round I set everything from scratch, so it's not a very good option. But it's just me. It's why I didn't mention it earlier.
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