Gender reassignment gone?
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Gender reassignment gone?
What happened to gender reassignment?
I was talking about gender reassignment and hatchets in ss13, but I noticed it's gone.
Did something break or did sjws get upset and it got removed or something?
I was talking about gender reassignment and hatchets in ss13, but I noticed it's gone.
Did something break or did sjws get upset and it got removed or something?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
the second
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
some guy ahelped that he was getting molested when it happened to him (he wasnt) and admins/coders at the time kneejerk overreacted by speedmerging a removal of the surgery
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
There was something like a 6 page dramafest first, it wasn't out of nowhere
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I remember that drama, I thought it was unnecessary to remove it but everyone was on the war path so it was impossible to talk about the subject in a rational manner.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Man, that sucks. Can't it be reverted?
It used to be pretty hilarious to do sex changes with hatches, especially when greytides shat up medical.
It used to be pretty hilarious to do sex changes with hatches, especially when greytides shat up medical.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
One guy got mad and all the typical complainers agreed with him so it got axed.
Thanks TG
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Here's the removal PR, which seems to have been speed merged: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/20148
Here was a attempted revert PR which was closed: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/20150
The only indication I can see as to why it was removed was that the admins considered Gender Reassignment to be rape, or at least to be unwanted ERP.
Here was a attempted revert PR which was closed: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/20150
The only indication I can see as to why it was removed was that the admins considered Gender Reassignment to be rape, or at least to be unwanted ERP.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
So now the dust has settled maybe it's worth a retry?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
How about let the person being surgerised choose their new gender? If someone surgerises you and you're not into having it changed, just select the gender your character is already.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
>Readding something funTheNightingale wrote:How about let the person being surgerised choose their new gender? If someone surgerises you and you're not into having it changed, just select the gender your character is already.
>Removing the fun from the fun
You did it. You did the thing.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Man,ERP'ing with a feature gets it removed? Secborgs really were fucked.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
you delete this RIGHT NOWReece wrote:Man,ERP'ing with a feature gets it removed? Secborgs really were fucked.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
You can still change a person's gender with pink slimes; they can now make a genderswap potion.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
it's nto coming back due to being a burden for the admins.
suck it up buttercup
suck it up buttercup
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
how the fuck is it a burden???beerobot wrote:it's nto coming back due to being a burden for the admins.
suck it up buttercup
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
halp george mellons is raping meMooseykins wrote:how the fuck is it a burden???beerobot wrote:it's nto coming back due to being a burden for the admins.
suck it up buttercup
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
there is no greater sin to a volunteer admin/GM tham creating unnecessary work and headaches
the headache:fun ratio of sex reassignment surgery was very very high and way too many shitters thought "lelel I'm not killing them so it's okay for me as a nonantag to kidnap people into maintenance and change their sex if they don't like it they can retaliate :^)"
the headache:fun ratio of sex reassignment surgery was very very high and way too many shitters thought "lelel I'm not killing them so it's okay for me as a nonantag to kidnap people into maintenance and change their sex if they don't like it they can retaliate :^)"
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I genuinely have absolutely NO idea why it was removed, oranges says it's a "burden" to admins but as far as I can tell the only issue was that somebody abused the feature. Abusing features happens all the time on the server and instead of removing the feature we ban the person who abused it, why was the reaction to this any different from the rest?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
why leave a feature in if it's solely going to be a ban trap and doesn't actually add anything useful
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Why is shit like this bannable in the first place?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
It's great for disguises... but people used it to griff. Solution? Make it ungriffable.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Because unlike other abused features this always turns into a moral/political/cultural issue when an admin rules on it, and it isn't any fun to be at the center of that when you're just trying to play a dumb atmos sim.Mooseykins wrote:Abusing features happens all the time on the server and instead of removing the feature we ban the person who abused it, why was the reaction to this any different from the rest?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Why the fuck can't we not let it turn into a political thing and reply to ahelps concerning this matter with "man up, deal with it"?
At this rate I can see ahelping next time I get my tail removed and not getting told to shut up.
At this rate I can see ahelping next time I get my tail removed and not getting told to shut up.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
chopping your tail off doesn't involve touching you on the peepee and I'm pretty sure it'd start straying into rule 1 if nonantags are just doing it with literally no provocation
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
it really is the genital partScreemonster wrote:chopping your tail off doesn't involve touching you on the peepee and I'm pretty sure it'd start straying into rule 1 if nonantags are just doing it with literally no provocation
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
That's retarded.PKPenguin321 wrote:some guy ahelped that he was getting molested when it happened to him (he wasnt) and admins/coders at the time kneejerk overreacted by speedmerging a removal of the surgery
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Some crybabies could handle their virtual waifus getting a dick, so they complained until admins removed it.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
i hate to say it but this lizard is rightDemonFiren wrote:Why the fuck can't we not let it turn into a political thing and reply to ahelps concerning this matter with "man up, deal with it"?
At this rate I can see ahelping next time I get my tail removed and not getting told to shut up.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I don't really care about this surgery but hey: This is a surgery that was used once every 6 months, and every fucking time it was used it generated a huge dramafest regardless of what an admin ruled. And honestly it barely made a difference being removed.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
know whats funny? it was replaced with the ability to make gender change potions with pink slimes. fun fact, gender change potions are instant use, just click the guy with the potion you can mass produce and they change gender. how is this better?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Because people get weirded out and some get a little creepy when it involves hacking someone's nuts off with a hatchet. Or hacking someone's nuts on with a hatchet. I don't know how that last one works.confused rock wrote:how is this better?
Geneticist is more efficient with that anyway.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Who gets weirded out? Person receiving gender reassignment or the surgeon?
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I'd usually be the first to outcry about this but really, what does having gender reassignment add to the game? If it just creates drama and has no real relevance to gameplay then why bother having it at all
There's a lot of people on /tg/ who have a "it's not rule breaking so you have to be okay with me doing [X]", and if it makes some people uncomfortable and they complain, it benefits them and the admins by removing it - they don't feel uncomfortable (for whatever reason) and we don't have to listen to the ahelps complaining.
If we were removing something critical to the game, like clowns or atmos, then sure, I would disagree, but this is just a surgery that was only ever really used to piss people off. How many people actually in character wanted a gender change for a significant reason?
There's a lot of people on /tg/ who have a "it's not rule breaking so you have to be okay with me doing [X]", and if it makes some people uncomfortable and they complain, it benefits them and the admins by removing it - they don't feel uncomfortable (for whatever reason) and we don't have to listen to the ahelps complaining.
If we were removing something critical to the game, like clowns or atmos, then sure, I would disagree, but this is just a surgery that was only ever really used to piss people off. How many people actually in character wanted a gender change for a significant reason?
It's not about being a "political thing", it's just "admins don't want to deal with that shit and it does nothing anyways so who cares about its removal". I agree that ahelping it is retarded, but I don't care about its removal when there's nothing positive that comes out of it anywaysWhy the fuck can't we not let it turn into a political thing and reply to ahelps concerning this matter with "man up, deal with it"?
At this rate I can see ahelping next time I get my tail removed and not getting told to shut up.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I gave Mai emershun a gender reassignment once. Then I augmented her so she could say she had a hydraulic cybersong. Then The station exploded!!
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Isn't the codebase full of things that fit this category though.Qbopper wrote: If we were removing something critical to the game, like clowns or atmos, then sure, I would disagree, but this is just a surgery that was only ever really used to piss people off. How many people actually in character wanted a gender change for a significant reason?
Also honestly gender reassignment is probably less annoying than getting all your limbs and/or organs removed.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I said it once in the original thread I'll say it again
If a traitor wants to spend their round genderswapping people instead of marauding the halls murdering everyone, more power to them. Our wonderful admins having a mental breakdown because someone changed someone's sprite is stupid. Get your moral judgement shit outta my 2D spacemen before we turn into Goon and start banning people for saying rape.
If a traitor wants to spend their round genderswapping people instead of marauding the halls murdering everyone, more power to them. Our wonderful admins having a mental breakdown because someone changed someone's sprite is stupid. Get your moral judgement shit outta my 2D spacemen before we turn into Goon and start banning people for saying rape.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
The issue here is not with the admins having a moral issue with the genderswap. The issue comes when people ahelp because they are mad they got their genitals mutilated with a hatchet, and the fact that it is a sexual organ makes it more difficult to place in terms of proper escalation when nonantags are involved, and lots of people have very strong opinions on the issue.
At the end of the day it caused more problems than it ever contributed fun, and while i would be inclined to tell people who have an issue with the surgery being done to them to fuck off and deal with it IC this will not stop the volume of autistic screeching that will inevitably result.
For this reason alone it will probably never come back
At the end of the day it caused more problems than it ever contributed fun, and while i would be inclined to tell people who have an issue with the surgery being done to them to fuck off and deal with it IC this will not stop the volume of autistic screeching that will inevitably result.
For this reason alone it will probably never come back
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
If someone were to ever strap me down and start diddling my doodle I'd kill them the first chance I got. Bam, IC issue resolved. The admins don't need to step in except to tell the doodle liddler to fuck off for ahelping after getting dunked or confirming that sure I can kill the diddler.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
but then you get the shitters who'd use it for baiting which is even more of a fucking headache
"I only changed his pixels and he escalated to trying to kill me so I'm clear to kill him now it's escalation fam :^)" when perhaps the person who's diddle got doodled had other things in mind to do that shift than spending half the shift strapped to a table followed by chopping some asshole's arms and legs off for strapping them to a table
"I only changed his pixels and he escalated to trying to kill me so I'm clear to kill him now it's escalation fam :^)" when perhaps the person who's diddle got doodled had other things in mind to do that shift than spending half the shift strapped to a table followed by chopping some asshole's arms and legs off for strapping them to a table
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Anyone arguing the morality and legality of genital mutilation in a video game for high school children and special people needs to do some serious reevaluation. This is coming from a man that got out of bed at midnight to beg a child with aspergers for his internet autograph.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Really though it was a rarely used feature that constantly sparked controversy and if it hadn't been removed most people wouldn't even notice it was still there.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Hey im only 24 you shit
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
I wouldn't say the reason im arguing about this is because I used the feature, in fact I only used the feature a couple times, but it gives the players o p t i o n s and it's more about the principle of why it was removed.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
It's ridiculous how incredibly strongly people argue about for something 99% of them never used and would never have used if it was left in the game
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
Shaps wrote:It's ridiculous how incredibly strongly people argue about for something 99% of them never used and would never have used if it was left in the game
Mooseykins wrote:I wouldn't say the reason im arguing about this is because I used the feature, in fact I only used the feature a couple times, but it gives the players o p t i o n s and it's more about the principle of why it was removed.
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Re: Gender reassignment gone?
The only justification this feature had for existing was the fact it existed as a option.
Space Station 13 is a game defined by the things you can do that no other game lets you. More so this is known for the little things.
I'm not claiming to be for or against this, but I fully understand why many people would be very against its removal as removing it may be seen as akin to violating one of the things that draws people to SS13, that extra level of complexity and interactivity.
Space Station 13 is a game defined by the things you can do that no other game lets you. More so this is known for the little things.
I'm not claiming to be for or against this, but I fully understand why many people would be very against its removal as removing it may be seen as akin to violating one of the things that draws people to SS13, that extra level of complexity and interactivity.
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