Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
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Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
So I went on goon to check it out and I just wanted to put up some of my thoughts and see what you guys think.
TG pros/Goon cons
* TG has soooo much more options for traitors and ops. Goon doesn't have mechs, viscerator grenades, syndie borgs, etc. When you become an operative on TG you have a million ways you can go about doing things. On Goon it's either pure stealth or just boring guns.
* Mechs in general
* TG just looks better. It's interface is much better and the spriting is pretty good.
* Goons DWAINE terminals are a bit unwieldy. They can be fun to use if you're doing science or something because they make you feel like swordfish hackerman but having to enter commands just to call the shuttle is stupid
* More antags. TG has 2 cults, traitors, ops, blobs, changelings, abductors, morphs, ash walkers, and devils. Goon doesnt.
* More fleshed out wizards with more spells and abilities
* Ian
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* Pods. Flying around in a tricked out space tractor is fun and fun things are good.
* The Adventure Zone. It's actually pretty fun. Especially for someone on their first time through. It also gives a sense of adventure to the game. We could probably do this by just turning the gateway back on.
* Star stickers. There is nothing more liberating as captain than stripping naked and walking around the station coated from head to toe with gold star stickers glimmering like a fucking sun.
* The critter gauntlet. Combat is fun but if your not an antag it will be A. Consisting of shoving matches with assistants or B. A .5 second brawl with an antag who is 200x better equipped than you.
Let me know what you think.
TG pros/Goon cons
* TG has soooo much more options for traitors and ops. Goon doesn't have mechs, viscerator grenades, syndie borgs, etc. When you become an operative on TG you have a million ways you can go about doing things. On Goon it's either pure stealth or just boring guns.
* Mechs in general
* TG just looks better. It's interface is much better and the spriting is pretty good.
* Goons DWAINE terminals are a bit unwieldy. They can be fun to use if you're doing science or something because they make you feel like swordfish hackerman but having to enter commands just to call the shuttle is stupid
* More antags. TG has 2 cults, traitors, ops, blobs, changelings, abductors, morphs, ash walkers, and devils. Goon doesnt.
* More fleshed out wizards with more spells and abilities
* Ian
Shit we should steal
* Pods. Flying around in a tricked out space tractor is fun and fun things are good.
* The Adventure Zone. It's actually pretty fun. Especially for someone on their first time through. It also gives a sense of adventure to the game. We could probably do this by just turning the gateway back on.
* Star stickers. There is nothing more liberating as captain than stripping naked and walking around the station coated from head to toe with gold star stickers glimmering like a fucking sun.
* The critter gauntlet. Combat is fun but if your not an antag it will be A. Consisting of shoving matches with assistants or B. A .5 second brawl with an antag who is 200x better equipped than you.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks, Kev.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
Gateway is pretty much a no no unfortunately, won't go in depth in this post why. However, does goon have lavaland? I feel like there's potential in making lavaland more of an adventure zone. I could be totally wrong since I don't play goon but yeah.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
PKPenguin321 wrote:Gateway is pretty much a no no unfortunately, won't go in depth in this post why. However, does goon have lavaland? I feel like there's potential in making lavaland more of an adventure zone. I could be totally wrong since I don't play goon but yeah.
No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.
Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
The gateway wasn't removed, but away missions were disabled on tg, other servers still have them enabled.scrubs2009 wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:~
No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.
Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.
You can probably dig up an old PR or forum thread about it if you'd like, but I think the general idea was that the away missions were all basically "solved" in that people would just cheese them and grab the loot as fast as possible every round, and that they were just generally used to powergame instead of making the round any more interesting.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
TribeOfBeavers wrote:The gateway wasn't removed, but away missions were disabled on tg, other servers still have them enabled.scrubs2009 wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:~
No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.
Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.
You can probably dig up an old PR or forum thread about it if you'd like, but I think the general idea was that the away missions were all basically "solved" in that people would just cheese them and grab the loot as fast as possible every round, and that they were just generally used to powergame instead of making the round any more interesting.
Well then it sounds like the solution is just making more and more difficult missions. I will now apply my mediocre mapping skills.
Thanks, Kev.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
If you want to port anything port their cargo, its breddy gud
Do you know what we shouln't port?
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
It's so apples to oranges at this point it's nearly impossible to even compare them.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
This plus the fact that half the crew would leave the station to get phat loot every round and many of them would just die, meaning station population was effectively permanently halved.TribeOfBeavers wrote:The gateway wasn't removed, but away missions were disabled on tg, other servers still have them enabled.scrubs2009 wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:~
No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.
Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.
You can probably dig up an old PR or forum thread about it if you'd like, but I think the general idea was that the away missions were all basically "solved" in that people would just cheese them and grab the loot as fast as possible every round, and that they were just generally used to powergame instead of making the round any more interesting.
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oh shitcalzilla1 wrote:If you want to port anything port their cargo, its breddy gud
Do you know what we shouln't port?
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Wasting your time, friend. Only way away missions making any comeback if they were kept secret and were remade to be less shitty/a loot-fest. The current selection is either boring, badly-designed, or an unbalanced shit-fest of death and excessive round-breaking loot.scrubs2009 wrote: Well then it sounds like the solution is just making more and more difficult missions. I will now apply my mediocre mapping skills.
I would personally love to see something akin to adventure z-levels on goon come back to TG, but considering the only reason away missions aren't even gutted yet is due to downstream branches, I doubt that will ever happen.
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>when it's gangs and the away mission is the ship battleMMMiracles wrote:Wasting your time, friend. Only way away missions making any comeback if they were kept secret and were remade to be less shitty/a loot-fest. The current selection is either boring, badly-designed, or an unbalanced shit-fest of death and excessive round-breaking loot.scrubs2009 wrote: Well then it sounds like the solution is just making more and more difficult missions. I will now apply my mediocre mapping skills.
I would personally love to see something akin to adventure z-levels on goon come back to TG, but considering the only reason away missions aren't even gutted yet is due to downstream branches, I doubt that will ever happen.
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Just like gangs, away missions were fun for some time. Then the meta formed.
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Our crafting gun sprites, never forgetti.calzilla1 wrote:If you want to port anything port their cargo, its breddy gud
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i've tried SO HARD TO ENJOY GOON
i've given it SO MANY CHANCES
and every time it's just like i'm BORED, i don't care at all what's happening. exploration was fun, though i'll stick to MEK BOYZ GUMSHOE N WOODWORTH
i've given it SO MANY CHANCES
and every time it's just like i'm BORED, i don't care at all what's happening. exploration was fun, though i'll stick to MEK BOYZ GUMSHOE N WOODWORTH
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OH SHIT SON. MET A MEK BOY IN THE FORUM. GET HYPEArmhulen wrote:i've tried SO HARD TO ENJOY GOON
i've given it SO MANY CHANCES
and every time it's just like i'm BORED, i don't care at all what's happening. exploration was fun, though i'll stick to MEK BOYZ GUMSHOE N WOODWORTH
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Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
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Lavaland is the only way an adventure zone can really work on /tg/.
Since nothing can be closed source, we need to rely on random generation. As much as I'd love some quality handcrafted dungeons, it just isn't feasible when there will be maps on the wiki before its even merged.
Since nothing can be closed source, we need to rely on random generation. As much as I'd love some quality handcrafted dungeons, it just isn't feasible when there will be maps on the wiki before its even merged.
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They have a rule against that, actually:AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
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Mm. Feels as though that's a little too far in the other direction. No reference to sexual organs? What if I want to call someone a dick, or a cockgargling thundercunt?TribeOfBeavers wrote:~
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can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf ShitlerTribeOfBeavers wrote:They have a rule against that, actually:AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
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Would be a very controversial moveRicotez wrote:can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf ShitlerTribeOfBeavers wrote:They have a rule against that, actually:AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
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I'm personally not a fan of people who think it's funny to spam racial slurs or spawn with names like the one you mentioned, but I'm in the minority
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Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
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Yeah dude they even have like 5 unique fart styles you can choose from on the character screen.Super Aggro Crag wrote:Can you still fart and poop on goon
I prefer the short and sweet booming default fart though, the rest are just wet and gross.
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that's why we have a name policyRicotez wrote:can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf Shitler
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The moment I get bwoinked for saying a slur is the moment I start ddosing the serverRicotez wrote:can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf ShitlerTribeOfBeavers wrote:They have a rule against that, actually:AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
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"I dislike people spamming racial slurs" makes me a SJW? Nice baitDrPillzRedux wrote:Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
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no I will not ban you for having a shitty name
no, I am not personally offended by the words nigger or faggot or any other slur
yes, I find the overuse of them unfunny and annoying
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I'M GOING NUCLEAR BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES CALL THE OPS SECURE THE DISKQbopper wrote:"I dislike people spamming racial slurs" makes me a SJW? Nice baitDrPillzRedux wrote:Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
... nah it just makes you a decent person
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It's called being thin skinned and you should ignore shit you don't like.TheNightingale wrote:I'M GOING NUCLEAR BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES CALL THE OPS SECURE THE DISKQbopper wrote:"I dislike people spamming racial slurs" makes me a SJW? Nice baitDrPillzRedux wrote:Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
... nah it just makes you a decent person
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The memes are all incredibly unfunny and dumb but you can actually deal with it in more than one way quit being a pussy
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Assuming this is directed at me, I'm not sure I followconfused rock wrote:The memes are all incredibly unfunny and dumb but you can actually deal with it in more than one way quit being a pussy
If you mean personally getting over it - I find it no more annoying than any other annoying player behaviour so there's no issue
If you mean dealing with it as an admin, we speak to people taking it too far, so there's no issue
"Quit being a pussy" about what, exactly
DIT: btw this is veering off topic
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It's far easier to ignore it tbh. I don't want to have to quibble with every single person who uses slurs, plus I genuinely don't care and would rather use the time and energy to download high quality .ogg rips
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We greytided a HoP named Adolf Shitler the other week. I rarely greytide, but with a name like that, you're sort of asking for it. Didn't hurt him, just repeatedly knocked him over, stole his stuff, then handed out all-access to the crew.
Turned out to be a cult round. Explained the greytide situation to the HoS. He understood where we came from. We beat that cult. Good times.
Turned out to be a cult round. Explained the greytide situation to the HoS. He understood where we came from. We beat that cult. Good times.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
If there is anything I wanted ported over it is Goon's sound system. the ambience of a goonstation round is soothing, being able to hear the screams from across the station, the gunshots of the detective blindly firing his revolver into the clown, the chaplain farting on his bible and exploding.
That and it made using "Loud" weapons have a real disadvantage as the moment you fired a gun or opened an e-sword the entire station would know, it made silent weapons like goon's suppressed .22 pistol actually have a value.
That and it made using "Loud" weapons have a real disadvantage as the moment you fired a gun or opened an e-sword the entire station would know, it made silent weapons like goon's suppressed .22 pistol actually have a value.
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the sound engine from goon is about the only thing the open source codebases haven't replicated, which is a shame, because it is rather excellent.
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Hearing a faint echoing fart from tcomms while also hearing distant bloody murder scream from robotics while in engineering is quite nice.beerobot wrote:the sound engine from goon is about the only thing the open source codebases haven't replicated, which is a shame, because it is rather excellent.
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I think space ruins are a good way to incorporate more exploration and adventure-y stuff. There's already a fair number of them and it seems like a fairly easy process to add new ones to the pool, provided they are already mapped.
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Their sound system is what I was most impressed by when we ran Gooncode for a few weeks. There is nothing that destroys immersion as fast as when you're all alone in a dark maintenance tunnel and suddenly hear the faint echo of a distant fart.
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on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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There's nothing special about goon's sound system, it just uses the built in byond 3D sounds just like we do.
The difference comes in the fact we've capped it to SURROUND_CAP (7), so 3D sounds never leave a screen, all we have to do is change this value.
The difference comes in the fact we've capped it to SURROUND_CAP (7), so 3D sounds never leave a screen, all we have to do is change this value.
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The reason i've stopped playing on Goon in the first place is the unending screams and farts. Screams are nice for ambience, but there was always someone screaming somewhere, meaning that it was less a call for help and more of a very annoying background. Farts are even worse because they just break any pretense of immersion.
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Well we have neither of those, so.XDTM wrote:The reason i've stopped playing on Goon in the first place is the unending screams and farts. Screams are nice for ambience, but there was always someone screaming somewhere, meaning that it was less a call for help and more of a very annoying background. Farts are even worse because they just break any pretense of immersion.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
The slippery slope begins with "buttbots".Remie Richards wrote:Well we have neither of those, so.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
>better waifus
debatable
debatable
The patched, dusty, trimmed, feathered mantle of evil +13.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
HE KNOWS, SHUT IT DOWNLumbermancer wrote:The slippery slope begins with "buttbots".Remie Richards wrote:Well we have neither of those, so.
Limey wrote:its too late.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
TribeOfBeavers wrote:They have a rule against that, actually:AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
Spoiler:
Just yesterday I got a time out on goon for saying cuck.
Thanks, Kev.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
I'm in the goon hall of fame
Life is too short for anything meaningful and too long for anything memeingful
Super Aggro Crag wrote: The best shitpost youll ever be responsible for will be your obituary.
Quality debate brought to you by ColonicAcid wrote:imagine having this little empathy
do you have autism bud? does your brain not see these people as humans? are they just a faceless statistic to you?
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
I should play on goon :^)scrubs2009 wrote:TribeOfBeavers wrote:They have a rule against that, actually:AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
Spoiler:
Just yesterday I got a time out on goon for saying cuck.
I mean really though you broke a rule what did you expect
Limey wrote:its too late.
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Re: Pros and cons of TG vs Goon
sounds like a pretty good thing to pr for april 1stRemie Richards wrote:There's nothing special about goon's sound system, it just uses the built in byond 3D sounds just like we do.
The difference comes in the fact we've capped it to SURROUND_CAP (7), so 3D sounds never leave a screen, all we have to do is change this value.
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
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