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onleavedontatme · Tue May 16, 2017 9:45 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Yet, that same media remains dead silent about the NSA backdoors into Windows being leaked and then used by ransomware to fuck up computers worldwide

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/worl ... .html?_r=0

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/natio ... in-n758516

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... dc97aa5366

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/05/15/ ... mware.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/12/technol ... microsoft/

?????

This has been all over the news here in America. The NBC one even has tweets from Snowden criticizing the NSA embedded in the article

ShadowDimentio · Tue May 16, 2017 9:48 pm

Anonmare wrote:It's like people want America and Russia to start Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo

That's exactly what the media and Dems want though. We would have already been at war with Russia if Hillary had won, thank god we got Trump instead.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 16, 2017 9:57 pm #294670

ShadowDimentio wrote:That's exactly what the media and Dems want though. We would have already been at war with Russia if Hillary had won, thank god we got Trump instead.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue May 16, 2017 9:58 pm #294671

Kor wrote: This has been all over the news here in America. The NBC one even has tweets from Snowden criticizing the NSA embedded in the article

There we go
>In America

The hand-me-down news I get over here on the TV and mainstream news sites mentions pretty much nothing of that(A small 20 second blurb that oh, things went wrong, or a 2-3 paragraph article on a sidebar). But still manages to fit in "Trump is crazy and bad" regularly

Post by **oranges** » Tue May 16, 2017 10:33 pm #294685

Then why do you care so much about it?

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue May 16, 2017 10:39 pm #294688

The recent ransomware attack that fucked up the UK NHS' shit was carried out via a vulnerability that the NSA knew about for years. As someone who actually has a bit of professional knowledge in the field, this is a pretty big fucking deal.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed May 17, 2017 1:22 am #294761

it's not illegal, it's likely not a conspiracy so much as trump not knowing when to stfu, but anything involving israel is already a political minefield, even before essentially burning them as an intelligence source

ShadowDimentio · Wed May 17, 2017 1:58 am

Alternatively: Trump is trying to get on friendlier terms with Russia.

Also of course Israel is an intel source, the US has had Israel's back for decades and they're the only ones in the middle east we're on remotely good terms with. Them parsing us some inel on how to fuck up ISIS is the least they can do, and I sincerely doubt that they're going to stop lest they have Trump threatening to pull away from them.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:16 am #294791

Alternatively to even that, the media is blowing shit out of proportion because outrage sells.
Got to get those pageviews!

Nothing unusual has happened as far as I'm aware. Clumsy, maybe. Not technically his job to share intel, sure. But not unusual

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:18 am #294794

Knowing Trump this is probably something he'll follow up with to produce better results.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:37 am #294799

Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

ShadowDimentio · Wed May 17, 2017 2:43 am

He hasn't really done anything though.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed May 17, 2017 5:03 am #294825

XSI wrote:Alternatively to even that, the media is blowing shit out of proportion because outrage sells.
Got to get those pageviews!

Nothing unusual has happened as far as I'm aware. Clumsy, maybe. Not technically his job to share intel, sure. But not unusual

This is probably the most sensible post that has ever been made in this thread

Super Aggro Crag · Wed May 17, 2017 12:28 pm

I see fat people every day.

Screemonster · Wed May 17, 2017 12:52 pm

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Spoiler:

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:13 pm #295066

XSI wrote:Nothing unusual has happened as far as I'm aware. Clumsy, maybe. Not technically his job to share intel, sure. But not unusual

technically it is his job, as the President, to determine whether intel should be shared or classified or not, which is why this isn't illegal. just most of the time that job is uh done with some thought

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:22 pm #295071

He literally can't reveal classified information because the second he reveals something, it's no longer classified. I am no Trump supporter but accusing him of revealing secrets is just blatantly false

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:02 pm #295229

I figured intel sharing was done by the intel services. FBI CIA and other 3-letter acronyms, to other intel services so they can use it.

From president to diplomats seems pretty inefficient

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed May 17, 2017 11:45 pm #295281

The Seth Rich story has been blowing up quite a bit lately. For the unaware, he was a former DNC staffer who was found dead under extremely suspicious circumstances. Wikileaks has strongly implied that he was one of the leakers. His death was ruled as a robbery gone wrong, even though two assailants shot him dead and left him without taking anything.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:28 am #295304

To be fair you've got to be doing it wrong if it's a robbery and you're not taking anything

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:45 am #295312

XSI wrote:To be fair you've got to be doing it wrong if it's a robbery and you're not taking anything

kek

ShadowDimentio · Thu May 18, 2017 4:00 am

They took his life.

Ba dum tss

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Thu May 18, 2017 6:08 am #295388

meanwhile brazil has elected unicorn_dream

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazi ... SKCN18D2XY

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Thu May 18, 2017 6:42 am #295390

Luke Cox wrote:The Seth Rich story has been blowing up quite a bit lately. For the unaware, he was a former DNC staffer who was found dead under extremely suspicious circumstances. Wikileaks has strongly implied that he was one of the leakers. His death was ruled as a robbery gone wrong, even though two assailants shot him dead and left him without taking anything.

>The Seth Rich story has been blowing up quite a bit lately.

It was a wise Canadian politician that once said, 'If you kill your enemies, they win'

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:47 am #295404

CosmicScientist wrote:
imblyings wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:The Seth Rich story has been blowing up quite a bit lately. For the unaware, he was a former DNC staffer who was found dead under extremely suspicious circumstances. Wikileaks has strongly implied that he was one of the leakers. His death was ruled as a robbery gone wrong, even though two assailants shot him dead and left him without taking anything.
>The Seth Rich story has been blowing up quite a bit lately.

It was a wise Canadian politician that once said, 'If you kill your enemies, they win'
I swear there's supposed to be a joke here? I guess I don't know enough from the new world to understand. pls fill in

I think Trudeau said something to that effect one time

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:26 am #295411

He did, in context it was about why Canada wouldn´t bomb ISIS

Because if you kill your enemy, they win.
As opposed to them winning if they get to take over large parts of the world

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:30 am #295414

Granted, that's only true if "winning" means getting your message out to the masses.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:31 am #295418

I thought that quote was just fake

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:33 am #295419

You should know by now that satire and reality are the same thing these days

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:56 am #295423

It was a rather poorly-worded way of saying "creating martyrs is a really bad idea", wasn't it.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:09 am #295427

It's either an "alternative quote" or the (((MSM))) did a pretty good job at erasing every source of the quote

onleavedontatme · Thu May 18, 2017 12:23 pm

XSI wrote:He did

Do you have a source? I've tried several times to find one and I can't even find a claim of what interview it came from, never mind a link to one.

I know this joke is overused but it seems like a case of

ShadowDimentio · Thu May 18, 2017 4:13 pm

No Trudeau actually believes that if you kill your enemies they win, which is a totally moronic thing to say because if you kill your enemies they're fucking dead, they don't win at all.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:17 pm #295533

> quote has literally no source

> no guys it's true he thinks this way believe me

Hmm

ShadowDimentio · Thu May 18, 2017 4:19 pm

I looked it up it might not actually be a quote, fuck boys I've been PRANKED.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:20 pm #295536

and that is precisely why i can't take shadowmemes seriously

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:25 pm #295537

I dont have any sort of stake in this retarded conflict but i beg, i literally fucking BEG you all to question everything, question the sources that support your side as rigorously as you do the ones that oppose it. Anything less is literally brainwashing yourself

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:54 pm #295553

It's not a direct "quote" word-for word. It's taking what he said about why Canada shouldn't participate in missions in the middle east and memeing a 4chan >implied quote

XSI wrote:He did, in context it was about why Canada wouldn´t bomb ISIS

Basically this

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Thu May 18, 2017 6:37 pm #295600

it wasn't a quote but i mean it's basically what he was saying

besides, the guy's a legit idiot look at his >muh castro

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:35 pm #295646

Kor wrote:
XSI wrote:He did
Do you have a source? I've tried several times to find one and I can't even find a claim of what interview it came from, never mind a link to one.

The original quote is like 2-3 paragraphs long, but it essentially is both the joke version and "Killing them will just make them martyrs and get more terrorists and people hating us" as mentioned above
The actual thing is a lot more nuanced than the internet jokes, but that's what we should be expecting from the internet these days

Post by **oranges** » Fri May 19, 2017 2:08 am #296058

I heard CIk say he wanted to kill all jews

I mean ti wasn't what he said but it's basically what he was saying

besides he's a legit idiot, look at his comments in this thread.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri May 19, 2017 2:30 am #296065

Oranges wrote:I heard CIk say he wanted to kill all jews

I mean ti wasn't what he said but it's basically what he was saying

besides he's a legit idiot, look at his comments in this thread.

Kiwi. Why do I love you so much? Run off with me.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri May 19, 2017 3:23 am #296091

Also I thought I would contribute something

Who determines what is classified information in the United States:

Typically a federal agency determines if something needs classification. I could give you examples but I don't want to clutter the page. If you want to read more please read wikipedias article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifie ... ted_States
Can senators/presidents/cabnet members declassify documents?

Typically no. They have to go before a MDR (Manditory Declassification Review) board before things are declassified. HOWEVER classified documents WILL be revealed after 25 years (unless they fall under the provisions of executive order 13526.)

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13526
So can the president be charged for leaking classified documents?

First we don't know if he DID give classified information to the Russians. So hold your horses. However if he did then yes under the Espionage act of 1917.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917
Why should we care if trump gives stuff to the Russians, he's our president, doesn't he get a free pass?

Here's the problem. If you expect regular citizens to follow the law then you should follow the law too. The law doesn't exempt the president and if its secret or NOFORN then its espionage to pass it onto another government.

I don't know if he did or didn't do it yet (there hasn't been any evidence proving either way since I'm not party to the investigation that the head of the justice department is conducting on him) however I'm just saying that if he has committed espionage
Its a serious charge, and I believe that if there is enough proof then he should have to suffer the consequences regardless of his office. However I have no doubts that he would never suffer the same fate as Ethel and Julius Rosenberg.

ShadowDimentio · Fri May 19, 2017 3:27 am

>The president has to follow the law same as regular people

Regular people don't have access to classified information, and also aren't the president who have pretty massive authority over these sorts of things.

If we got down to brass tacks and examined this in a completely dry law setting then yes he might have broken the law but even then the worst that would likely happen is the Dems bitch for a while and the president apologizes, if that.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri May 19, 2017 3:37 am #296101

ShadowDimentio wrote:>The president has to follow the law same as regular people

Regular people don't have access to classified information, and also aren't the president who have pretty massive authority over these sorts of things.

If we got down to brass tacks and examined this in a completely dry law setting then yes he might have broken the law but even then the worst that would likely happen is the Dems bitch for a while and the president apologizes, if that.

The law is pretty cut and dry. Anyone who has had family who have any kind of clearance knows how much shit you get if you divulge anything NOFORN related to even a family member your ass is grass. You have to realize that espionage is a pretty big deal here on par with murder, especially in the military community.

Read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

For a example

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Fri May 19, 2017 4:35 am #296124

The whole "classified information" thing has already escaped the mainstream press' attention. It was the clickbait bullshit of last week. Meanwhile, his FCC pick has gutted net neutrality regulations, but nobody seems to give a fuck about that. Can't interrupt the autistic Russia screeching.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Fri May 19, 2017 4:38 am #296125

It's not that nobody gives a fuck, it's more that the lobbyists are louder than the people who give a fuck

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri May 19, 2017 4:49 am #296129

Its important that we investigate this completely and move ahead either way. That being said we shouldn't jump to conclusions, just because you are being investigated doesn't make you guilty. Regardless its not information that we are privy to and I doubt we''ll ever know everything about this. Frankly we'll only find out things from the Justice Department and the Office of Special Counsel.

Post by **oranges** » Fri May 19, 2017 4:57 am #296134

starmute wrote:
Oranges wrote:I heard CIk say he wanted to kill all jews

I mean ti wasn't what he said but it's basically what he was saying

besides he's a legit idiot, look at his comments in this thread.

Kiwi. Why do I love you so much? Run off with me.

I would like that very much

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Fri May 19, 2017 7:25 am #296171

starmute wrote:The law is pretty cut and dry. Anyone who has had family who have any kind of clearance knows how much shit you get if you divulge anything NOFORN related to even a family member your ass is grass. You have to realize that espionage is a pretty big deal here on par with murder, especially in the military community.

Read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

For a example

>President of the United States, the leader of the free world
>Shares classified information about terrorists with another government through official channels (literally talking to their official) that are working with us in the middle east to wipe out terrorism
>Comparable to someone sharing c+ information with their family / keeping c+ information on an easily accessible private server / literally spying for another government

You're stupid.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Fri May 19, 2017 8:07 am #296179

If federal agencies are responsible for the declassification of intelligence, and the President has complete reign over all of the agencies involved in this process, it would stand to reason that the President has the authority to declassify shit whenever they goddamn please