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Limey wrote:its too late.
Limey wrote:its too late.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
Read your fucking fluff text and stay inside.Segmented wrote:Why don't we just fix the carpet lava meme instead? On the off chance one of them can keep their teammates from getting bored and self-destructing long enough to make a healing virus that let's them walk on lava, I think they've earned the right to leave.
Id rather their weapons got nerfed to hell and back and they were allowed to leave the base to explore.D&B wrote:Read your fucking fluff text and stay inside.Segmented wrote:Why don't we just fix the carpet lava meme instead? On the off chance one of them can keep their teammates from getting bored and self-destructing long enough to make a healing virus that let's them walk on lava, I think they've earned the right to leave.
We would have to remove their infinite chem grenades and superviruses, thenDr_bee wrote:Id rather their weapons got nerfed to hell and back and they were allowed to leave the base to explore.D&B wrote:Read your fucking fluff text and stay inside.Segmented wrote:Why don't we just fix the carpet lava meme instead? On the off chance one of them can keep their teammates from getting bored and self-destructing long enough to make a healing virus that let's them walk on lava, I think they've earned the right to leave.
How so? We dont remove The podperson ruin's botany memes or the golem's RnD.PKPenguin321 wrote:We would have to remove their infinite chem grenades and superviruses, thenDr_bee wrote:Id rather their weapons got nerfed to hell and back and they were allowed to leave the base to explore.D&B wrote:Read your fucking fluff text and stay inside.Segmented wrote:Why don't we just fix the carpet lava meme instead? On the off chance one of them can keep their teammates from getting bored and self-destructing long enough to make a healing virus that let's them walk on lava, I think they've earned the right to leave.
ACTUAL ANTAGONISTS gunning to fuck up the station making their way to the mining base with super diseases with the only curing being liquid diamonds and cfl3 grenadesi and other crazy shit want to come to the station.Dr_bee wrote:How so? We dont remove The podperson ruin's botany memes or the golem's RnD.PKPenguin321 wrote:We would have to remove their infinite chem grenades and superviruses, thenDr_bee wrote:Id rather their weapons got nerfed to hell and back and they were allowed to leave the base to explore.D&B wrote:Read your fucking fluff text and stay inside.Segmented wrote:Why don't we just fix the carpet lava meme instead? On the off chance one of them can keep their teammates from getting bored and self-destructing long enough to make a healing virus that let's them walk on lava, I think they've earned the right to leave.
If the forward base people want to use chem grenades to blow up lavaland, I say we let them, it makes it so they can actually TEST the grenades they make against rock and fauna, instead of just the shitty test room.
The fluff text is open-ended, like everything else on Lavaland. You're to blow the outpost if NT agents find it and study bio-weapon applications. As long as they don't find the base, I'd say a field test on an unsuspecting NT Station is a great way to gather valuable information. I dunno what you guys are worried about in terms of their capabilities, a Traitor Chemist/Virologist working together can accomplish the same thing.D&B wrote:Read your fucking fluff text and stay inside.Segmented wrote:Why don't we just fix the carpet lava meme instead? On the off chance one of them can keep their teammates from getting bored and self-destructing long enough to make a healing virus that let's them walk on lava, I think they've earned the right to leave.
Or we could just fix it along with the other ways to cheese lava, like RCD/wall girdersCPTANT wrote:I wouldn't mind the carpet recipe being removed entirely. It's just memey, bloats the chemical recipe list and is always used for shit like this.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
RCD's are not a bug you stupid fuck. RCDs are the only way ashwalkers can survive living on a lava islandGrazyn wrote:Or we could just fix it along with the other ways to cheese lava, like RCD/wall girdersCPTANT wrote:I wouldn't mind the carpet recipe being removed entirely. It's just memey, bloats the chemical recipe list and is always used for shit like this.
Sorry, you what?Qbopper wrote:I've had to bwoink like 3 people for carpet memeing their way out and i am very tired of it +1
There's a huge amount of text that says " DON'T LEAVE THE FUCKING BASE." Them escaping is not a feature, it's abusing and exploiting carpet making grenades.iamgoofball wrote:Sorry, you what?Qbopper wrote:I've had to bwoink like 3 people for carpet memeing their way out and i am very tired of it +1
We established this was a feature ages ago. Stop.
source: I fucking added carpet and Kor said it was a feature
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/26825Bombadil wrote:RCD's are not a bug you stupid fuck. RCDs are the only way ashwalkers can survive living on a lava islandGrazyn wrote:Or we could just fix it along with the other ways to cheese lava, like RCD/wall girdersCPTANT wrote:I wouldn't mind the carpet recipe being removed entirely. It's just memey, bloats the chemical recipe list and is always used for shit like this.
AdAstraPerAspera wrote:https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/26825Bombadil wrote:RCD's are not a bug you stupid fuck. RCDs are the only way ashwalkers can survive living on a lava islandGrazyn wrote:Or we could just fix it along with the other ways to cheese lava, like RCD/wall girdersCPTANT wrote:I wouldn't mind the carpet recipe being removed entirely. It's just memey, bloats the chemical recipe list and is always used for shit like this.
It's an exploit, try again lizard.
I never got killed by them. Nah usually i just weld the wall off with a plasma cutter and setoff their bomb. It's easy to dodge a sniper and then use plasma cutters in close range to blast off their arms. But they never killed me. No they broke out to infect themselves with xenosoranges wrote:Kor's design vision for lavaland includes the ghost roles griefing each other, this just seems like the op is salty they got killed
Normally I'd agree, but I feel like the Syndicate base is different because they actually interact with the station.oranges wrote:Kor's design vision for lavaland includes the ghost roles griefing each other, this just seems like the op is salty they got killed
Kor wrote:Just ban people who ignore the spawn text and abuse the role
How much of a nihilist do you have to be to have this much butthurt and doomsay about players interacting with each other and their environment one screen away in an IC way.FantasticFwoosh wrote:All of the worst lavaland ruins in a nutshell inexplicably collide into a total mess, where only 1 syndie the comms guy has any long term playability, so chemists who actually don't need the tutorial will carpet bomb their way outside, the doctors are opportunistic greifers and generally completely worthless and the lavaland xenos exist purely to give ghost roles antag and free them from their forced RP text and bloat xeno hides for cargo.
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FantasticFwoosh wrote:Because it does not matter, they are merely doing it out of boredom griefing themselves and the remaining ghost role spawers in ways that are not intended (leaving the syndie base, doctors spawning in because the whole ruin is actually a joke about cancer rats, putting in live facehugger eggs on lavaland). Its only ever in the case that they can exploit each others or the maps location do they spawn in at all using metaknowledge to dig to the nearest syndie ruin/xeno nest/doctor hospital for medical top-ups. Most of the time they are completely empty.
Ive personally suggested ways to get around all of these in short already but obviously the enthusiasm like most lavaland content to actually change things is not as strong by people and coders in the community that hardly ever interact with it.-
- Doctors before have been deleted after rushing the xenomorph nest, infact their entire state of being is to be a second life migration ghost ruin rather than anything with playability, and it has fallen by the wayside with mapping standards
- The iron hawk marine got removed for directly interacting with the station after migrating then using their ambiguous moral standing to grief out of boredom and a lack of a future objective. A xenomorph invasion by a doctor impregnating themselves and running to the mining base is also feasable in order to just grief and get free antag. Same issue with bored syndicate scientists who ARE antagonists and will take the opportunity to meta-knoweldge their way to the station & shoot the place up immediately. All of these are edge case enough to not be a issue right now but feasable scenarios because ultimately when there is no gameplay, people want the best second thing of getting antagonist or to grief others to hold their attention spans before they suicide/ghost out.Spoiler:
I also think you don't know really the scope of what a nihlist is, thats hardly the word id use to describe the viewpoint. If that's what i am it seems you are being naive.
If you want to use all 3 huggers you must kill the queen and the drones.D&B wrote:>Dig the same room every time to get a facehugger
>Having to fight a xeno hive to get the eggs
C'mon, you play enough miner to know that statement is total horseshit kromgar.
Getting impregnated on lavaland is fucking worthless. WORTHLESS. Xenos can not operate shuttlesFantasticFwoosh wrote:You can tunnel around the back and not draw any aggression from the mobs that usually wander off, especially easy if you metaknowledged a path there.
I remember the asteroid plasma room and miners bringing back facehuggers in a locker nearly every round, i've been in this community and playing SS13 (and yog) for a while now, for the same reasons i also firmly believe that xenomorphs should not exist outside of abstract references and not have their assets used by mapmakers but thats a personal opinion.
Additionally whether you die or not is inconsequential as long as you're impregnated because you will burst anyway, and the simplemob xenos will not be aggressive towards you.
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