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I'm trying to explain something I consider pretty fundamental to your role as a maintainer that isn't part of your design philosophy.Remie Richards wrote:No shit! That means you shouldn't even be considering removing it unless there is something immensely wrong with it.If the majority of players want them in and they already got merged though, you're kind of fucked trying to remove them.
And unfortunately for you, the only place the "immense wrongness" of it exists is in your autistic blob of a brain stem.
Something being popular doesn't mean it is high quality or good for the server. One way to approach being a maintainer is to strive for the best codebase you can, which generally is aiming for mechanical balance, being feature rich, and pruning low quality/regressive features.
The other option is to focus on things you think will be popular and by keeping changes from baseline human minimal you avoid both any balancing work and any interesting features. It's lazy and boring but easy and won't cause issues.
Fundamentally I think catgirls are a stupid theme compared to the many potential options you could present players, but I would greatly have preferred they were either a clothing option (due to being picked primarily for cosmetics) or given interesting strengths and weaknesses like plasmamen, or even just fucked with their speech like lizards and be explicitly non-human to present some social barriers. Both of these make a lot more sense from a design perspective than having them exist as a roundstart pseudo-species that functionally is exactly the same as a human.
Populist decision making opens you up to louder voices carrying more weight, and mob mentality being used instead of logical reasoning. Catgirls themselves are harmless (if the community is already full of people who love weeb shit) but I don't understand why they were considered worth merging, nor why they weren't given an interesting twist, and my primary concern is that over years a lot more popular but pointless meme shit will clog up the codebase the way it clogs up the github.
This was actually the most persuasive argument I've seen in this thread. If the cancer is already stage 4 it doesn't make sense trying to treat it and instead just let people live out their stained waifu-pillow lives.Super Aggro Crag wrote:I been here a long long time
There was a button that would put everyone in Japanese school girl costumes and quote otacon
There's tohou costumes for wizards
We gots katanas
We have motherfucking jojo references
This server had always been weeaboo trash, its a fucking 4chan server, and the original host was a fucking tripcoder who would role play as a fucking werewolf in world of darkness threads and post about sergals.
Fuck off newfag, lurk more.
I would rather have a discussion with someone I disagree with who can explain why they have a particular position than someone who agrees but has stupid reasons for doing so. The former has the potential to change my mind or provide more perspective, the latter makes me uncomfortable.Screemonster wrote:it's a "democracy is only correct if the people vote the same way I do" episodeToroic wrote:I respect the attempt that democratic polls represent, but they can only be as useful as the people voting are informed.
It's not a political issue at all but it's not insignificant. There are significant differences between the codebases in how they're handled from citadel which is all fursuits to paradise which is some fursuits to tg which is catpeople-light to hippie which uses them as a punishment to goon and cm which completely deleted any possibility of having them. A new player will see the cat ears and tail mutation and that tells them about the server and depending on how into weeb shit they are that's either going to be a pro or a con and over time might actually cause significant changes in the community. Paradise gained a lot more furry players after they added vulps as a percentage of the community and that was basically a cosmetic-only feature.Xhagi wrote: I also wonder how people can be 'uninformed.' You either want catpeople in your spessmens or you don't. It's not like a complex political issue god damn.
Human behavior can be influenced by really minor shit like color http://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/19/scien ... wanted=all so it's not easy to be sure that something doesn't have an effect.
That was a lot more about you than I needed to know, but thanks I guess?Super Aggro Crag wrote:Seriously, the fucking STONES on this stupid fucking goon cunt. Catfolk dont fit the theme? No scifi has cat people beyond anime? Are you ten fucking years old? What about Star Trek, you stupid piece of shit? You know, the franchise that named all of our original chemicals before golfball fucked it up and the reason our security team wears red? Dont forget the fucking Man-Kzin wars, you scumsucking waste of scrotal skin.
Roundstart cat ears exist for the same reason roundstart lizards do, people like to play them and admins were sick of getting spammed with ahelps and prayers to liggerize/spawn cat ears every round. If its fucking degenerate to play a fucking tiny sprite that represents something someone might jerk off too you better remove the Asian and black skin tones because I've fucking nutted to way more black girls and Asian girls than I have to cats.
As far as star trek, I feel the same about it as star wars where we can keep the cool shit (lightsabers for example) and drop the stupid shit (midichlorian equivalents) because both sci-fi franchises had plenty of both awesome stuff and staggeringly stupid stuff. Star trek had a lot of features that were due to having a really low budget and even within that universe there are a lot more interesting inclusions than catbeasts.
I would say staff are unprofessional and disorganized as a whole more than I would say they're stupid, but that's basically the crux of the issue, yes.Kor wrote:But if the staff are stupid and the players are stupid I'm not sure who is supposed to be making this decision