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*pours one out for Damaged Goods*"Act like an antag get dunked like an antag"= What?
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Re: "Act like an antag get dunked like an antag"= What?
What is it with Oldman and massive tl;dr walls of text?
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I call John_Oldman.
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You got meme'd.
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Found this thread by accident.
The "act like an antag, get treated like an antag" rule is there for a reason - it's to cover things like escalation and dunking people who are being shits to you without getting bwoinked. That said, that security team stopped having any good excuse as soon as they looked at the paper. Even for people who can't mechanically be antagonists, there's a point where their behaviour warrants an appropriate response from someone like Oldman.
And yes, it WAS better in my day.
The "act like an antag, get treated like an antag" rule is there for a reason - it's to cover things like escalation and dunking people who are being shits to you without getting bwoinked. That said, that security team stopped having any good excuse as soon as they looked at the paper. Even for people who can't mechanically be antagonists, there's a point where their behaviour warrants an appropriate response from someone like Oldman.
And yes, it WAS better in my day.
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There's a difference between a bunch of Assistants running around causing chaos and mayhem under the guide of a antagonist, versus a assistant with a red piece of paper whom offers no resistance to security when they arrive.
Its clear the arresting officers were in the wrong in this scenario, it would only take a whole of five seconds to confirm the red paper was fake. Oldman should've been released or at the very least only given a very, very, short sentence. There is no justification to have held Oldman for such a long time for such a non-exsistant crime.
I've seen people being released earlier for attempted murder.
Yet most of the people here seem to think that because its Oldman that he deserves to have half an hour of his time wasted in the brig because of a harmless gimmick? If Security had carta blanch to arrest people for entire rounds for carrying Toy weapons and fake antag items then half the station would be in the execution chamber.
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Its also disappointing to see so many people, including admins, simply don't give a shit and are acting like man children.
Its clear the arresting officers were in the wrong in this scenario, it would only take a whole of five seconds to confirm the red paper was fake. Oldman should've been released or at the very least only given a very, very, short sentence. There is no justification to have held Oldman for such a long time for such a non-exsistant crime.
I've seen people being released earlier for attempted murder.
Yet most of the people here seem to think that because its Oldman that he deserves to have half an hour of his time wasted in the brig because of a harmless gimmick? If Security had carta blanch to arrest people for entire rounds for carrying Toy weapons and fake antag items then half the station would be in the execution chamber.
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Its also disappointing to see so many people, including admins, simply don't give a shit and are acting like man children.
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I'm still mad that I got a week sec ban from a fucking open and shut case of this.
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I was HoS and a detective was being a little shit all round, eventually culminating in him ambushing me in maint and shooting me. Since this was clearly an antag-like action, and how he had been a little shit all shift, I executed him on the spot and threw him in the sec mourge.
Saeg saw and banned me for quote "not being able to produce a sufficient reason for why he killed the detective besides how he wanted to get an item back".
Saeg saw and banned me for quote "not being able to produce a sufficient reason for why he killed the detective besides how he wanted to get an item back".
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Oh I remember that.
I got banned from Sec roles for executing a scientist lizard that broke into the brig, stole armor and death gasped before ahelping.
Fun times
I got banned from Sec roles for executing a scientist lizard that broke into the brig, stole armor and death gasped before ahelping.
Fun times
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I'd be more inclined to side with Oldman on issues if he wasn't such a hypocritical, murderboning shit.
Oh hey, someone summoned guns? Shoot your fellow miner. Observing that was not a shock, just disappointing.
Oh hey, someone summoned guns? Shoot your fellow miner. Observing that was not a shock, just disappointing.
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go easy on him he has shadowdementiaSaegrimr wrote:>ShadowDenial
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Fuck, how did I not think of this one?
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I'm disappointed that it's taken you chucklefucks that long to come up with that roast. It's been staring you in the face for years and nobody's done it until now.
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I actually thought that was what your name said for a while
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same hereQuanti wrote:I actually thought that was what your name said for a while
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tell the best admin how good he is
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Re: "Act like an antag get dunked like an antag"= What?
hey maybe you should be oldman and just kill all of secOldman Robustin wrote:Long story short I spent 30 minutes being cuffed/nearly killed/gulag'd/tortured by security for possession of a red piece of paper, when they knew it was fake, and never got an answer about where the fucking line gets drawn.
- Make a red piece of paper near roundstart
- Pull it out next to my fellow geneticist and he freaks the fuck out
- I follow him out of medbay laughing and he's screaming on the radio "OLDMAN CULT" "OLDMAN HAD A RED NOTE!!!"
- I go to brig to clear the meme up since I actually planned to have a normal round and not have security raid genetics
- The paper is just an off-color red that says "You got meme'd kiddo"
- Sec arrests me outside of the brig
- They search me, find the paper, and immediately realize it was a ruse
- But instead of releasing me, Officer missed the memo and keeps trying to drag me to the execution chamber
- Officer ignoring the rest of sec and is about 2 seconds from giving me the electric chair (reading is hard when you're trying to get them valids)
- The rest of sec finally realize where she took me and tell her to stop, she screams about me being a cultist and tries to kill me
- Sec stuns her, warden drags me back into the brig, Jessica comes back and shoots the warden, officer and Det shoot Officer, she gets dragged off
- Officer releases me outside the brig but doesn't take me off arrest, so beepsky swing into action while I'm trying to tell the other geneticist it wasn't real
- Warden collects me from beepsky and decides he's not done with me yet, I've been in cuffs for over 10 minutes at this point
- Warden starts stripping me down for Gulag, despite being fully aware that it wasn't real
- Officer who releases me protests, warden insists because I deserve it, officer kills himself on the spot in protest of the sheer fucking stupidity going on
- Get gulag'd, send my first Ahelp which gets the response from Trialmin "Act like an antag get dunked like an antag"
- I press my case, surely security can't just Gulag you for holding red paper, right?
- Trialmin ignores the rest of my ahelps, I have to specifically appeal to Headmin who's on
- Headmin says something along the lines of "Well you were looking for a reaction, it might've been better if sec had released you sooner", and then radio silence
- Finish my sentence and return to station, can't get the computer to return my equipment. We're past the 20 minute mark of being held prisoner now.
- Go to warden and ask for my gear back, he beats me up with Krav Maga instead and then drags me back to the computer, doesn't seem to understand power is out
- Since I had no radio, I asked him to ask AI to turn on power, etc. he finds out a wire was gnawed off
- At this point another prisoner (who also got Gulag'd for flimsy raisins) shows up and we're waiting for our stuff with another officer, I get fed up and rewire the fucking brig connection with my bare hands
- Shittalk the officer for needing a naked prisoner to fix their power, officer proceed to start choking me, stunning me, throwing me around, and then tosses me into a storage room that I can't escape, all while the Warden watches in amusement. I make another ahelp+prayer asking how long I have to be abused before I can kill these security, ahelp rejected.
- Finally the power returns thanks to my fix and the other prisoner welds me out of the room, Warden is blocking the exit and proceeds to re-Gulag the other prisoner when she tries to push him out of the way.
- Get the fuck out of there, after having been fucked by sec for around 30 minutes.
I think most of the worst admin interactions I've ever had involved the "Act like an antag..." policy. It's a pristine example of how a super vague rules allows for admins to dole out completely conflicting decisions. I have yet to get anything resembling a clear answer on this policy so here we are. For the record, I coded the ability to dye paper certain colors because I intended for colored paper to be a companion to toy swords, cap revolvers, and foam ebows for items that "Looks like antag gear but are harmless and quickly identifiable as non-threatening equipment. Can I start gulag'ing people for toy swords because of the inconvenience it takes for me to run from them until I can get an examine off to determine I'm not about to have my legs hacked off? Does security have any limit on non-lethal punishments? In my mind its even shittier because while the cap gun, toy sword, etc. LOOK like super dangerous syndie weapons, the red paper just looks like fucking red paper, which takes a good degree of metagaming to even know might be a cult talisman.
Am I just getting too old? I came from an era where if you even arrested someone for red paper you'd be facing a *BWOINK* for metagaming. Now security can be fully aware that you're just using a toy and still shit on your round harder than most traitors can even dream of. Trialmin seems to think it woud've been fine if security had just killed me instead. As time passes and our policy changes, not explicitly, but silently through the headmin/admin rotations, I can't help but feel like we might as well turn Ahelp responses into a roulette wheel to decide how our rules will be enforced.
it's only a week ban that you can just post on the fourms and have immediately repealed by the absolute shit storm that would be stirred up from this
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Re: "Act like an antag get dunked like an antag"= What?
Wait a second, how is this thread in policy and the salt reserves at the same time? And why does it have different responses
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It was the meme of placing all of Oldman's policy posts into the Hut which ended up in the reserves.
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why did he change the title of this thread from what cant security get away with thoughSteelpoint wrote:It was the meme of placing all of Oldman's policy posts into the Hut which ended up in the reserves.
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Oldman has a point though, continuing to harass him after they already confirmed it was fake is shit
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thislntigracy wrote:Oldman has a point though, continuing to harass him after they already confirmed it was fake is shit
an admin probably did itNilons wrote:why did he change the title of this thread from what cant security get away with thoughSteelpoint wrote:It was the meme of placing all of Oldman's policy posts into the Hut which ended up in the reserves.
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I think it was a viva situation, they probably did it to make an example because they dont need to deal with red paper clowns all the timelntigracy wrote:Oldman has a point though, continuing to harass him after they already confirmed it was fake is shit
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Despite the oldman memes he is 100% right tbh.
If some fucker pulls a toy sword or cap gun on me and pretends to try murder me, they can't be surprised if I kill them there and then. If I discover that it's just a fucking toy, and I proceed to fucking murder them anyway, how is that not just being massive shitter?
This is l I T E R A L L Y just sec going out of their way to get valids. I would have just punched him in the dick and told him to knock it off, or at worst brigged him for a couple of minutes.
How is it in anyway acceptable to such a massive shit cunt over something like this, oldman or not?
If some fucker pulls a toy sword or cap gun on me and pretends to try murder me, they can't be surprised if I kill them there and then. If I discover that it's just a fucking toy, and I proceed to fucking murder them anyway, how is that not just being massive shitter?
This is l I T E R A L L Y just sec going out of their way to get valids. I would have just punched him in the dick and told him to knock it off, or at worst brigged him for a couple of minutes.
How is it in anyway acceptable to such a massive shit cunt over something like this, oldman or not?
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admin bias rules above all else
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because knowing robustin he probably left out it was a verified cult round or something equally importantlumipharon wrote:Despite the oldman memes he is 100% right tbh.
If some fucker pulls a toy sword or cap gun on me and pretends to try murder me, they can't be surprised if I kill them there and then. If I discover that it's just a fucking toy, and I proceed to fucking murder them anyway, how is that not just being massive shitter?
This is l I T E R A L L Y just sec going out of their way to get valids. I would have just punched him in the dick and told him to knock it off, or at worst brigged him for a couple of minutes.
How is it in anyway acceptable to such a massive shit cunt over something like this, oldman or not?
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Aren't these two entirely different threads?Nilons wrote:why did he change the title of this thread from what cant security get away with thoughSteelpoint wrote:It was the meme of placing all of Oldman's policy posts into the Hut which ended up in the reserves.
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Once you've seen enough "oldman gets dunked for doing something sec at the time thought was suspicious" threads they all seem to blur together.Sligneris wrote:Aren't these two entirely different threads?Nilons wrote:why did he change the title of this thread from what cant security get away with thoughSteelpoint wrote:It was the meme of placing all of Oldman's policy posts into the Hut which ended up in the reserves.
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