scaredofshadows wrote:Sec are not getting maint access at round start. They'll have to wait in line for the HoP like always.
I'm preparing to run an in-game poll this week for assistant maint access. The community seems to be divided almost 50/50 on this topic.
Can we at least disable assistant antag if they get maint the worst users are using assistant to grief when they don't get antag and use assistant like their personal loot fairy role. I'd rather have antag hunting vigilante assistants that fuck around all round than awful assistant bias because you can't tell if they're antags or just fucking grey tide griefers.
THIS is the biggest problem facing assistants right now imo, and why I wanted maint access removed, because assistant is so attractive for older players who wanted to roll antagonist. New players should be using assistant for training, thus they shouldn't be antags anyway, and part of the point of ss13 is playing a job and having responsibility and the PAYOFF being playing antag once in a while to fuck shit up. The 'pick a random job if preferences unavailable' feature still exists so people have no excuse to not be a job at roundstart and the chance for an assistant latejoiner being antag is extremely low anyway.
I don't even mind grey tiders who do funny jokes, but it's the line between antagonistic actions and jokes that gets blurred with assistants. If they couldn't be antags, you could just report people who were being too grief-y to admins and not have to guess whether they're being an asshole because they're an assistant or because they're an antag. That's usually the case of why I don't report assistant griefers to admins, anyway, a lot of the time they're antags.
Removing more jobs from the antag selection list will also not mean less antags. It means the antag roles will be distributed amongst people who prefer to play roles with responsibility rather than fuck around and get antag for doing absolutely nothing.
Edit: One more thing, I don't agree with enabling sec maint access even if assistants get it back. While I'm an avid security player, and I've joked about it being the answer to ass maint in the past, it kind of enables stupid antag hunting behavior from sec officers and ends cult rounds really quickly considering their bases are found easily. Yeah, it's the same issue as assistant maint, they can just get it from HoP, but having to go through the effort to get something and having it by default are extremely different things.