[Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

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[Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by captain sawrge » #419299

Preface: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 86#p419286

Byond account and character name: Usednapkin, Autumn Sinnow
Banning admin: Darkgenerallord
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Permaban
Ban reason and length: Permanently banned - Hornygranny was right, you are a fucking awful player. Lied about telling a scientist that was implanted to not take so many guns (they were taking a taser and a disabler), that they were taking three tasers, etc. Extremely toxic in ahelps, angry as actual fuck, frankly awful behavior. You have not changed in the slightest, get the fuck off this server. Rule one.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): Tuesday, Jun 19, 2018, around 4pm est
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): bagil
Your side of the story: The defendant, hereafter referred to as Napkin, was a head during a revolution round. He was one of two heads presently alive at the time of the incident.

An implanted scientist entered the armory and took an unspecific number of firearms above one. Napkin warned him several times and escorted him out of the armory, where this was repeated a number of times before napkin issued a final warning. The victim began an attack on Napkin (disarming Napkin and going for a stun) and Napkin retaliated by putting him into crit. Napkin was then PMed and an altercation began between Napkin and the banning admin.

Why you think you should be unbanned: This is a textbook IC issue, nuff said.

Banning someone because you chose to contact them over an IC issue during a tense situation and got upset when they blew up at you over it is poor form.

Citing someone's history with several-years-old notes is poor form.

The admin dogpile descending when someone gets justifiably upset over being permanently banned over what the banning admin admitted was an IC issue is incredibly poor form.

Trying to justify an injustice via someone's irrational behavior over the response to an injustice is poor form, and also kind of pathetic.

This ban should not have happened.

The defense rests.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by Arianya » #419309

Full ban reason:
Permanently banned - Hornygranny was right, you are a fucking awful player. Lied about telling a scientist that was implanted to not take so many guns (they were taking a taser and a disabler), that they were taking three tasers, etc. Extremely toxic in ahelps, angry as actual fuck, frankly awful behavior. You have not changed in the slightest, get the fuck off this server. Rule one.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419311

uh what he said
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by captain sawrge » #419314

Arianya wrote:Full ban reason:
Permanently banned - Hornygranny was right, you are a fucking awful player. Lied about telling a scientist that was implanted to not take so many guns (they were taking a taser and a disabler), that they were taking three tasers, etc. Extremely toxic in ahelps, angry as actual fuck, frankly awful behavior. You have not changed in the slightest, get the fuck off this server. Rule one.
Thanks, OP edited accordingly

On that note:
Calling mixing up minor details (number of guns? taser vs disabler? What's the fucking difference, they're both stun guns.) "lying" seems pretty disingenuous. Lying in ahelps is treated really harshly and trying to twist the story to fit that narrative is a shitty move.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by feem » #419328

I am in no way defending the player in question.

BUT, I can understand why a player would be upset by an 'intrusive' ahelp during a critical situation, such as being a head during revolution.
I can also understand why said head might be unwilling to put up with a deputy who repeatedly defies orders and loads up on 'too many' weapons or trespasses in the armory without authorization.

However, I don't know that that's what happened. I have yet to see logs or a coherent point by point description of what, exactly, happened, in a way which can be corroborated across multiple individuals. If we can get a clear picture of events I think that'd be great, if this ban is about those events.

What I do NOT think is appropriate is the manner in which the player responded to the admin, and that the player has maintained that level of sass, disrespect, vulgarity, abuse, et al throughout their appeal process(es).

I worry that if this infuriated you this much that you ignored the fact that you were about to be dunked in order to angrytype at the admin who asked you about something that happened, that you'll continue to be infuriated and behave this way in other encounters as well.

If the decedent was in fact trespassing after being repeatedly warned not to, that could be justification to take them out, in absence of mitigating factors. But misrepresentation of facts during an investigation has recently been upheld by headmins as being a bannable offense itself.

So I think it's worthwhile to have some logs posted and see how this all went down, and I think it'll be worthwhile for the player not to be quite so shitty to admins in the future, because that kind of thing HAS led to rule 0 bans in the past.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by Timbrewolf » #419332

feem wrote:I worry that if this infuriated you this much that you ignored the fact that you were about to be dunked in order to angrytype at the admin who asked you about something that happened, that you'll continue to be infuriated and behave this way in other encounters as well.
I've been involved with bans for Napkin and passed judgement over similar situations in the past. While it's true that his outbursts are "spectacular" he snaps back to being a regular player and moves on like nothing happened. If either side in the history of Napkin has difficulty letting go of the past it's the administration. You need look no further than the language "Hornygranny was right about you" in the banning text.

Source: The ancient Guncargo situation and how that all resolved itself.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by lntigracy » #419335

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admin post from other thread, please notice on the top image the fact that he put a taser and an energy gun in his bag before getting stunned, which directly contradicts what dorisdwarf said
I included timestamped forensics showing that Osmund picked up one taser, which was then picked up by you (after you tased him and threatened his life), then picked up a second when he went back to the armory to actually be able to fight the revs. Which he did very well once the actual sec team dragged him to safety (from your attempt to kill and hide his body) and healed him. (I believe this is the point in time where the third taser is from).
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by pubby » #419337

logs: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... und-89734/

The captain was dead, so napkin was the highest ranking member of staff (the acting captain, if you will).
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by captain sawrge » #419342

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[2018-06-19 20:31:21.146] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at floor with The electrode from Armory (208,132,2)
[2018-06-19 20:31:21.147] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The electrode (NEWHP: 95) (208,131,2)

[2018-06-19 20:31:30.038] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The electrode from Armory (NEWHP: 95) (208,131,2)
[2018-06-19 20:31:30.128] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The electrode (NEWHP: 95) (208,131,2)

[2018-06-19 20:31:32.156] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) grabbed Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with passive grab (NEWHP: 95) (208,131,2)

[2018-06-19 20:31:39.386] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The electrode from Brig Control (NEWHP: 95) (204,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:31:39.387] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The electrode (NEWHP: 95) (204,129,2)

[2018-06-19 20:32:00.739] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at floor with The electrode from Brig Control (207,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:00.890] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The electrode (NEWHP: 95) (206,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:02.117] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) grabbed Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with passive grab (NEWHP: 95) (206,129,2)

[2018-06-19 20:32:13.418] ATTACK: Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) disarmed Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) with  removing the hybrid taser (NEWHP: 100) (192,131,2)

[2018-06-19 20:32:14.990] ATTACK: Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) fired at floor with The electrode from Starboard Primary Hallway (190,130,2)

[2018-06-19 20:32:18.139] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at reinforced wall with The disabler beam from Starboard Primary Hallway (195,131,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:18.266] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The disabler beam (NEWHP: 95) (194,131,2)

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[2018-06-19 20:31:23.845] SAY: 20:31:23.845] SAY: Osmund Tennant/OmegaShoots : fuck off (208,131,2)
[2018-06-19 20:31:25.967] SAY: 20:31:25.967] SAY: Autumn Sinnow/Usednapkin : Feck off, faggot. (208,130,2) 

[2018-06-19 20:32:09.344] SAY: 20:32:09.344] SAY: Autumn Sinnow/Usednapkin : FIght t' loyalist one more time. (190,130,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:09.672] SAY: 20:32:09.672] SAY: Osmund Tennant/OmegaShoots : fuck off (191,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:11.130] SAY: 20:32:11.130] SAY: Autumn Sinnow/Usednapkin : And I kill ye./ (190,130,2) 
Logs related to Napkin tasing the scientist like 4 times before the scientist tries to disarm and stun Napkin. Say logs of Napkin warning the guy and him trying to do the aforementioned disarm about .02 seconds later.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by bman » #419347

continuation of above: scientist tries to tase napkin after the above warning, and is executed

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[2018-06-19 20:32:24.608] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser from Starboard Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 95) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:24.745] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser (NEWHP: 75) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:25.273] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser from Starboard Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 75) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:25.377] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser (NEWHP: 55) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:25.654] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser from Starboard Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 55) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:25.785] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser (NEWHP: 35) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:26.178] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser from Starboard Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 35) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:26.236] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Paul Simon(arbiter47) with The laser (NEWHP: 70) (193,130,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:26.615] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) fired at Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser from Starboard Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 35) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:26.744] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) shot Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with The laser (NEWHP: 15) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:28.789] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) grabbed Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with passive grab (NEWHP: 15) (193,129,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:31.204] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) attacked Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with energy gun (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 10) (200,130,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:32.376] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) attacked Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with energy gun (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 5) (201,138,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:34.418] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) attacked Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with energy gun (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0) (200,149,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:35.924] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) attacked Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with energy gun (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -5) (199,155,2)
[2018-06-19 20:32:36.960] ATTACK: Autumn Sinnow(usednapkin) attacked Osmund Tennant(omegashoots) with energy gun (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -10) (200,159,2)

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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419363

Wow it's almsot like I didn't lie and told the truth, got fucked over BECAUSE OF WHO I AM and when i tried to actually be reasonable was told I wasn't being
and when an0n3 is vouching for me (although we dont have personal differences but we have very big policitcal disagreements) i'm probably not being THAT BIG of a faggot unless you guys really need a cancer killing /tg/ ;
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by Darkgenerallord » #419379

Ultimately I've been convinced to drop this from a perma, but:

>Oh, I didn't kill the guy by the way. I perma'd him and was going to heal him, but got bwoinked and killed before I could actually do anything.

From your last appeal. I'm pretty sure this is false, given that you told the officer the following:

[2018-06-19 20:32:44.702] SAY: Autumn Sinnow/Usednapkin : Don''t worry. (206,158,2)

[2018-06-19 20:32:44.986] SAY: Roger Ivanov/ChronicPwnage : he;s implanted! (207,159,2)

[2018-06-19 20:32:47.959] SAY: Autumn Sinnow/Usednapkin : He's a faggot. (206,158,2)

and then proceeded to start leaving until I PMed you. He then proceeded to just drag the guy off and heal him. Given the fact you were leaving as well as that you told the officer to more or less ignore him, I am doubtful you were going to heal him.

Second:

[2018-06-19 20:37:23.623] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart)->Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow): Overarming, sure. Talk to them about this, don't literally kick them the fuck out.
[2018-06-19 20:37:29.702] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow)->Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart): ACTUALLY, HE WOULDVE DIED AND GAVE THEM OUT
[2018-06-19 20:37:34.620] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow)->Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart): I did talk to them.
[2018-06-19 20:37:36.787] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart)->Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow): If you are implanted during a revolutionary round, you are functionally security.
[2018-06-19 20:37:38.621] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow)->Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart): Do you know what they did?
[2018-06-19 20:37:50.227] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow)->Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart): They immediately ran in for more guns while I was talking to them so they could stun me
[2018-06-19 20:38:02.130] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Darkgenerallord/(Lane Stewart)->Usednapkin/(Autumn Sinnow): No, you literally said fuck off, then kicked him the fuck out.

He did not in fact ever say anything to him about the guns, he simply tased him, took his bag, and threw him out. He then essentially said to not fuck with 'the loyalists' again or he would kill him. I don't think this was good behavior, but it's ultimately not super relevant to the ban. That is, except for the fact you did not actually speak to him about it.

It will be lifted, please try to prove me wrong about your behavior.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419382

mainly i wanted to have a talk with him that was in an area where he cant disarm me and we can sit down BECAUSE HE WAS IMPLANTED AND I DONT WANT TO WASTE AN IMPLANT AND HE OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO KILL, I JUST WANTED HIM TO NOT DIE AND HAND OUT THE FUCKING GUNS (like the fucking shit head officers whom i gave all access to that immediately ended up getting me killed in less than 5 minutes) HE WAS TAKING WHICH I EXPECTED TO BE MORE THEN THREE
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 1919191919191919 » #419383

Sci in question here.

After being implanted, and with the armory doors having been opened by the warden, I go to get armed up to fight back against the rev menace. I get inside, and grab a taser, and disabler, and am immediately tased by the HoP. They strip my bag while continuing to tase me, and then drag me out. I walk back into the brig, and they tase and take me out again, and tell me that if I "fight the loyalists again" that I would be killed. I think I go back in a third time and they tase and drag me out again which when I got up I disarmed them of their taser and fired it back at them to get them to stop. This is just outside the brig doors with 2 other officers watching. It only had one shot left, I missed, and immediately walked away to go back to brig.

They then disable me down and lethal me, despite knowing I'm implanted, because they have sechuds, and then attempt to drag me into the back of perma to hide my body.

An officer intervenes, tells them I'm implanted, and heals me back up and tells the HoP to fuck off, because it's fucking revs, we're on the same team now, they're interfering with us making progress.

I then go back to get armed up to take down the person that flashed me, get into a scuffle in med and return to brig to see the round ended.

They apparently said in ahelp in the first incident that they told me not to take a bunch of guns before tasing me, which in the screenshot I provided to DGL shows is not the case. They tased me, told me to gtfo or that I would die, when I defended myself they attempted to execute me and hide my body.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419387

i dont think you understand cause and effect and that I was the highest authority on the station (which i didn't know) in the game mode where authority has most say
you heard that i didnt like what you were doing
you kept doing it, without talking to me
you knew i was a head and you knew i knew you you were implanted but you cant connect what i actually thought regarding? and stop calling energy guns disablers. They aren't disablers. That goes to everyone who needs to somehow type disablers to help out their argument

oh and the taser you disarmed was one i took out of your backpack and was empty because i had to shoot you 4 times while talking to you, to try and get you to stop because i dont need some scientist who doesnt know how to play the game (which is all i saw) taking guns so he can feed the viva machine harder
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Post by 1919191919191919 » #419389

The point here is that you went well out of your way to be a dick to someone on your team that was arming up to protect your ass during a revolution, and not just be a dick but to attempt to kill them and stuff their body in a hidden corner of the station.

>I did it because you were going to die!

Sorry excuse after the fact and doesn't actually help you
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419390

sorry i dont play to win and plus you're lying about shit anyway just to fit the admins side or you actually dont have a full comprehension. id get into it but i am unbanned and dont care
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by Darkgenerallord » #419391

From Dorsi's and my own investigation, his side of the story was substantially more accurate than your own, actually.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 1919191919191919 » #419393

I have a full comprehension (I was literally there) and even provided screenshots.
You caused a conflict of interests for the gamemode, antagonized against someone that is there to protect you, and tried to hide said person's body but got stopped by sec (which an implanted crew member has functionally become).

If those officers hadn't seen you laser me in front of the brig I would have rotted in perma and died, which would have actually been worse off for you.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by captain sawrge » #419396

1919191919191919 wrote:I have a full comprehension (I was literally there) and even provided screenshots.
You caused a conflict of interests for the gamemode, antagonized against someone that is there to protect you, and tried to hide said person's body but got stopped by sec (which an implanted crew member has functionally become).

If those officers hadn't seen you laser me in front of the brig I would have rotted in perma and died, which would have actually been worse off for you.
don't start shit with heads in rev if you want to stay alive
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419401

1919191919191919 wrote:I have a full comprehension (I was literally there) and even provided screenshots.
You caused a conflict of interests for the gamemode, antagonized against someone that is there to protect you, and tried to hide said person's body but got stopped by sec (which an implanted crew member has functionally become).

If those officers hadn't seen you laser me in front of the brig I would have rotted in perma and died, which would have actually been worse off for you.
if any of this is true i would admit to it
to my perception it isn't
it's rev, i didnt have time to tell you shit nor was i gonna act like i had that time BUT I DID IT ANYWAY AND IT FUCKED ME OVER BECAUSE YOU HAD TO ASSERT YOUR DIRECTION AS THE TRUE ONE KNOWING FULL WELL THAT ESCALATION WASN'T NECESSARY AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE SOME IMPLANTED FAGGOT WHO WAS TAKEN IN JUST !!!!!!SO YOU WOULDN'T BE A REV!!!!!!! YOU WERE NOT ENTITLED TO GUNS, THE WARDEN DID NOT LET YOU IN, I ACCIDENTALLY OPENED IT TO GIVE THE WARDEN ALL-ACCESS

anyone with two eyes can fucking see what my intent was which is why the admin dogpiling blinding them is so obvious and shows your actual true mentality
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 1919191919191919 » #419402

captain sawrge wrote:
1919191919191919 wrote:I have a full comprehension (I was literally there) and even provided screenshots.
You caused a conflict of interests for the gamemode, antagonized against someone that is there to protect you, and tried to hide said person's body but got stopped by sec (which an implanted crew member has functionally become).

If those officers hadn't seen you laser me in front of the brig I would have rotted in perma and died, which would have actually been worse off for you.
don't start shit with heads in rev if you want to stay alive
I didn't start shit, I went to get geared up to help PROTECT the heads and got met with tasers and having my bag stripped from me.
By a head.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by pubby » #419403

There aren't many ways to stop someone looting the armory other than by shooting them.

Refusal to hand out guns is an IC issue. Here's the stupid policy thread on the matter: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 33&t=16717
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Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419404

1919191919191919 wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:
1919191919191919 wrote:I have a full comprehension (I was literally there) and even provided screenshots.
You caused a conflict of interests for the gamemode, antagonized against someone that is there to protect you, and tried to hide said person's body but got stopped by sec (which an implanted crew member has functionally become).

If those officers hadn't seen you laser me in front of the brig I would have rotted in perma and died, which would have actually been worse off for you.
don't start shit with heads in rev if you want to stay alive
I didn't start shit, I went to get geared up to help PROTECT the heads and got met with tasers and having my bag stripped from me.
By a head.
Because you took 3 guns as a single person, a scientist, and the station was about to fall apart. YOU TAKING THE GUNS IS PART OF THE STATION FALLING APART, because you do not NEED 3 guns. You WANT 3 guns. What you WANT is not always the BEST because if you had died 3 people now have guns and you have no way to actually do anything because you can't even bring them to sec, so you can only kill people so that means they will only try to kill you and YES THIS IS WHAT I PROCESS
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by Darkgenerallord » #419405

Once again, he took exactly two. You have been told this, we have confirmed it via logs. One egun, one taser.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #419406

Darkgenerallord wrote:Once again, he took exactly two. You have been told this, we have confirmed it via logs. One egun, one taser.
in his backpack
when the third one was picked up in his hand, i shot him
i did react immediately and am not fucking around as i wasnt fucking around
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 1919191919191919 » #419407

pubby wrote:There aren't many ways to stop someone looting the armory other than by shooting them.

Refusal to hand out guns is an IC issue. Here's the stupid policy thread on the matter: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 33&t=16717
That thread seems to be specifically talking about nuke ops, this is rev where you can tell who is and isn't on your "team" with sechuds, which the hop did have.

It's also from the standpoint of security/hos/captain denying access to the armory, not the hop who even if the captain was dead (nobody had this info), didn't even know they could, nor did they actually assert themselves as the new acting captain to have authority over the armory.

They admitted as such. They were on equal footing as any other head in that situation by their own statement, and as such has no say on who could and couldn't access armory.

And again, it's revolution, I'm implanted and getting gear to actually help said HoP from NOT dying.
420goslingboy69 wrote: Because you took 3 guns as a single person, a scientist, and the station was about to fall apart. YOU TAKING THE GUNS IS PART OF THE STATION FALLING APART, because you do not NEED 3 guns. You WANT 3 guns. What you WANT is not always the BEST because if you had died 3 people now have guns and you have no way to actually do anything because you can't even bring them to sec, so you can only kill people so that means they will only try to kill you and YES THIS IS WHAT I PROCESS
To insinuate that the act of me getting guns from the armory made the station fall apart is laughable. The situation wasn't even dire at that point, and the person who flashed me was just walking around by himself ripe for the taking, which after the debacle and me getting healed up, I was half a step away from actually grabbing him and killing him, and who knows how much earlier I could have done so.

But he had backup near him, which I promptly neutralized and was heading back to grab him but the round ended.

And again it was 2, two, TWO guns.
Revs already had tasers and weapons. To say you wanted to kill me to keep even one gun out of the hands of revs is idiotic.

You were fully about to take someone out of the round, someone that's on your team, because of some future event you can somehow predict.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by Darkgenerallord » #419408

No, we literally confirmed it via fingerprints. He never picked up a third gun at that time.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by captain sawrge » #419411

Not sure how or why the number matters, at this point it's basically just bikeshedding. Even the banning admin admitted the whole thing is an IC conflict. It should have been (and was) handled IC.

Being implanted doesn't give you any extra rights or liberties, if you're ignoring a head's orders in an emergency situation there's likely to be consequences for your actions.

Entertaining these kinds of ahelps already enables the behavior of using admins as a fallback safety net to get an extra chance at a lost fight, acting on them sera dangerous and unfortunate precedents.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by 1919191919191919 » #419412

captain sawrge wrote:Not sure how or why the number matters, at this point it's basically just bikeshedding. Even the banning admin admitted the whole thing is an IC conflict. It should have been (and was) handled IC.

Being implanted doesn't give you any extra rights or liberties, if you're ignoring a head's orders in an emergency situation there's likely to be consequences for your actions.

Entertaining these kinds of ahelps already enables the behavior of using admins as a fallback safety net to get an extra chance at a lost fight, acting on them sera dangerous and unfortunate precedents.
The ahelp no longer had to do with me not having "armory rights", it was that I got lased into crit and would have been hidden permanently had nobody seen what went down because I dared to defend myself from a HoP overstepping their reach in a rev round because someone that was implanted wanted to help protect them.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by captain sawrge » #419413

Napkin is unbanned, appeal successful and resolved.

I suggest OmegaShoots gets banned for banbaiting following this incident.
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Re: [Darkgenerallord] Usednapkin Permaban Appeal

Post by CitrusGender » #419415

Well, they're unbanned.

I don't see any more reason to continue arguing in this thread.
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