How to properly defend the AI sat
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How to properly defend the AI sat
So this is what the AI sat looked like after we fortified it. The AI managed to hack enough APCs to get the timer below 200 without anyone even noticing :^)
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Shoulda loaded up the floor with Racks too, they have to spend the time to dismantle it and lasers shoot over them.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Well thats why I was there you little cutie piecedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Borgs can't make racks, though. Windows, however, would still work.Saegrimr wrote:Shoulda loaded up the floor with Racks too, they have to spend the time to dismantle it and lasers shoot over them.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Put this in the screenshots thread instead it's been done a thousand times over
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Oh right, forgot they make the "rack parts" first.ExplosiveCrate wrote:Borgs can't make racks, though. Windows, however, would still work.Saegrimr wrote:Shoulda loaded up the floor with Racks too, they have to spend the time to dismantle it and lasers shoot over them.
Windows would be a good option, yes.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
If the crew couldn't handle locking/blowing the borgs under malf then they have bigger problems than your AI sat autism fort.Ahammer18 wrote:Well thats why I was there you little cutie piecedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.
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You can kill those barriers and they don't actually have a lot of health you know
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
I remember that round from Scott's image, I don't actually think the AI was rogue.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
1 miner with tier 0-1 gibonite can cause a lot of problems, that boom will knock on a turret and several walls, then place the second and dead AI.cedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Toggling the generator off and back on restores them, though.paprika wrote:You can kill those barriers and they don't actually have a lot of health you know
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
You can stack doors.
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Its actually makes me kinda sad how effective spamming airlocks is. Not because the doors are seriously harder to open than removing walls, but the fact that they somehow still keep engineers out for more than 30 seconds. If you're an engineer with gloves and can't hack a door, be ashamed.
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Even with a skilled engineer they would still need to stop and weld the door before trying to hack it, giving the AI enough time to disrupt power to the door and make it unhackable for a minute.
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Yeah if the engineer didnt bother to check the important wires previously it can take a lot of time.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Well enough, but the conern was a bit more general.ExplosiveCrate wrote:Even with a skilled engineer they would still need to stop and weld the door before trying to hack it, giving the AI enough time to disrupt power to the door and make it unhackable for a minute.
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Fun thing about AI's who build door mazes that appear to be doomforts of goodness can also be an easy way for Human attackers to win. All you gotta know is the 'AI Control Wire,Bolts, and Test Light' know those three and you get to the core easily.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
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As far as I'm aware unpowered airlocks cannot be unbolted under any circumstances.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Agreed. Make unpowered bolted doors unboltable and remove door creating from borg RCDs, maybe?Cipher3 wrote:Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
You mean this?Violaceus wrote:Airlocks already cost much more energy than anything else.Erbbu wrote:Agreed. Make unpowered bolted doors unboltable and remove door creating from borg RCDs, maybe?Cipher3 wrote:Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.
What should be removed is the possibility to build stacks of airlocks in one tile.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Door creation has a non-nefarious use though. You're suggesting throwing out the baby with the bath water.Erbbu wrote:Agreed. Make unpowered bolted doors unboltable and remove door creating from borg RCDs, maybe?Cipher3 wrote:Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Yeah but then the borg can just manually make a door. Not like they use that feature much anyway outside of AI defense.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Their ability to place an airlock frame doesn't do much when they can't place or set airlock control boards.Erbbu wrote:Yeah but then the borg can just manually make a door. Not like they use that feature much anyway outside of AI defense.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
They are just going to have the AI bolt them and turn off the lights anyway, doesn't matter to them.cedarbridge wrote:Their ability to place an airlock frame doesn't do much when they can't place or set airlock control boards.Erbbu wrote:Yeah but then the borg can just manually make a door. Not like they use that feature much anyway outside of AI defense.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
No. Airlock construction is good.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
if you think doors are too effective at blocking entry you should just rework walls so that they're reasonably more effective, or doors be less effective. removing borg RCD door creation is both unnecessary and also probably would be annoying to rework, you'd probably need a new type of RCD that only borgs can have etc.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Where would you store the gibtonite anyway? That shit is huge.RG4 wrote:1 miner with tier 0-1 gibonite can cause a lot of problems, that boom will knock on a turret and several walls, then place the second and dead AI.cedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
You carry it with your hands like a big boy, and drag the other.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
What would produce tier 0 gibtonite anyway? Stopping it at the very last second?Saegrimr wrote:You carry it with your hands like a big boy, and drag the other.
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You can't drag Gibtonite.Saegrimr wrote:You carry it with your hands like a big boy, and drag the other.
Yes.mikecari wrote:What would produce tier 0 gibtonite anyway? Stopping it at the very last second?
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
Thermite can go through rwalls which is bull shit
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Hahahahahhahahahaaaaascalzilla1 wrote:Thermite can go through rwalls which is bull shit
Used to be 1u of thermite would burn through anything.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
For real though? The best defense is to not be in there. Have a borg smuggle you out and hide you somewhere. Reinforce AI satellite as normal. Laugh as they break into your core with 40 seconds on the clock only to realize they've been had.
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Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etcWyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when
Yeah this is probably the best tactic, though normally of Z level is best its pretty hard to achieve (also not sure if that counts as failure?).MimicFaux wrote:For real though? The best defense is to not be in there. Have a borg smuggle you out and hide you somewhere. Reinforce AI satellite as normal. Laugh as they break into your core with 40 seconds on the clock only to realize they've been had.
Can people still use pinpointers for non shunted AI's? I can't actually remember.
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Re: How to properly defend the AI sat
If you have no borgs, and you don't have any laws coercing you to protect Humans - you can use the foam dispenser to keep most people at bay. Though magboots and no-slips won't make them fall over.
Flashes will blind anyone not wearing eye protection or a space suit that gives flash protection. The EVA spacesuit and Emergency Spacesuit do not give flash protection as I recall.
Borgs can also move turrets around by unwrenching them so it is possible to alter the configuration and surprise someone.
Put a securitron in front of your core on detain mode with the safeties off and they'll keep those guys with chamo projectors/dual e-swords at bay.
If you know intruders have metal foam grenades, you can disable gravity to prevent the foam from encompassing the floor, but your foam dispensers will be heavily nerfed by it. Foam doesn't do well in no-grav.
There's also the old borg standby of just putting doors, walls and windows all over your core. Glass airlocks are the favourite as lasers can still shoot through them, on Meta I put a bunch of glass airlocks around the SMES to stop metal foam grenades being tossed in while still leaving the turrets able to shoot.
Flashes will blind anyone not wearing eye protection or a space suit that gives flash protection. The EVA spacesuit and Emergency Spacesuit do not give flash protection as I recall.
Borgs can also move turrets around by unwrenching them so it is possible to alter the configuration and surprise someone.
Put a securitron in front of your core on detain mode with the safeties off and they'll keep those guys with chamo projectors/dual e-swords at bay.
If you know intruders have metal foam grenades, you can disable gravity to prevent the foam from encompassing the floor, but your foam dispensers will be heavily nerfed by it. Foam doesn't do well in no-grav.
There's also the old borg standby of just putting doors, walls and windows all over your core. Glass airlocks are the favourite as lasers can still shoot through them, on Meta I put a bunch of glass airlocks around the SMES to stop metal foam grenades being tossed in while still leaving the turrets able to shoot.
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peoplearestrange wrote:Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etcWyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when
I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business
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ayyy i remember this thread
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I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business[/quote]
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fucking necro hatin' furfags[/quote]calzilla1 wrote:Wyzack wrote:peoplearestrange wrote:Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etcWyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when
I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business
Can't even quote properly. Remember folks you were here live when calzilla1 entered their downward spiral!
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Can't even quote properly. Remember folks you were here live when calzilla1 entered their downward spiral![/quote]peoplearestrange wrote:fucking necro hatin' furfagscalzilla1 wrote:Wyzack wrote:peoplearestrange wrote:Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etcWyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when
I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business
At least im not rock bottom like some people here
Life is too short for anything meaningful and too long for anything memeingful
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Good come back. I wonder how I'll retort?calzilla1 wrote: At least im not rock bottom like some people here
Lets take to the shed! (So I don't have to approve each of your posts whilst you're on moderator approval.)
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calzilla1 wrote:peoplearestrange wrote:fucking necro hatin' furfagscalzilla1 wrote:I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking businesscalzilla1 wrote:Wyzack wrote:peoplearestrange wrote:Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etcWyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage whenfartzilla1 wrote:
Can't even quote properly. Remember folks you were here live when calzilla1 entered their downward spiral![/quote]calzilla1 wrote:
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