Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
- gum disease
- Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:14 pm
- Byond Username: GUM DISEASE
- Location: England
Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
I know a thread about this already exists, but it's from 2015 and I ahelped about this recently and was told not to attack the holoparasite at all. Due to this, I've been very leery about following what's been stated in that thread.
Can we just make it so that if someone consciously elects to bind a holoparasite to them, anything that happens to the holoparasite (and consequently, to them) is essentially regarded as self-harm (which is the only form of harm that can be disregarded)? If someone chooses to get a holoparasite, I'm assuming they know the potential risks as well as the benefits of having one. Attempting to disable a holoparasite without killing the host is actually very difficult, especially if other people join in and start attacking the holoparasite/host. My concern is if I decided to attack a holoparasite that was hurting people/myself, and somehow end up landing the killing blow which then immediately kills the host whom my laws obligate me to protect from harm, have I contravened those laws?
Rather than making the host non-human, which was suggested in the original thread, regarding it as self-harm would still give them the same protections as any other human until they actually used the holoparasite in a harmful manner.
Alternatively, can I get an up-to-date, final ruling on whether it's kosher to attack holoparasites as an asimov or otherwise harm-preventing borg that I can refer back to for posterity? Thank you! ^^
Can we just make it so that if someone consciously elects to bind a holoparasite to them, anything that happens to the holoparasite (and consequently, to them) is essentially regarded as self-harm (which is the only form of harm that can be disregarded)? If someone chooses to get a holoparasite, I'm assuming they know the potential risks as well as the benefits of having one. Attempting to disable a holoparasite without killing the host is actually very difficult, especially if other people join in and start attacking the holoparasite/host. My concern is if I decided to attack a holoparasite that was hurting people/myself, and somehow end up landing the killing blow which then immediately kills the host whom my laws obligate me to protect from harm, have I contravened those laws?
Rather than making the host non-human, which was suggested in the original thread, regarding it as self-harm would still give them the same protections as any other human until they actually used the holoparasite in a harmful manner.
Alternatively, can I get an up-to-date, final ruling on whether it's kosher to attack holoparasites as an asimov or otherwise harm-preventing borg that I can refer back to for posterity? Thank you! ^^
- Anuv
- Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:34 pm
- Byond Username: Anuv
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
I've always seen borgs attacking holoparasites without issue, as they're non-human.
- gum disease
- Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:14 pm
- Byond Username: GUM DISEASE
- Location: England
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
That's what I thought too! So I was a bit confused when I was told to not attack the holopara. I just found the headmin rulings page on the wiki regarding this, so I'm gonna go with that:
"Holoparasites aren't human- a cyborg can attack the holoparasite but not the human. If the parasite recalls and the human is in critical, the borg must give him medical attention."
Guess this is addressed. ^^
"Holoparasites aren't human- a cyborg can attack the holoparasite but not the human. If the parasite recalls and the human is in critical, the borg must give him medical attention."
Guess this is addressed. ^^
- DemonFiren
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:15 pm
- Byond Username: DemonFiren
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
kind of a strange ruling tbh since attacking a stand directly harms the human controlling that stand
- Stickymayhem
- Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:13 pm
- Byond Username: Stickymayhem
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
I think the idea is that asimov borgs just aren't aware it hurts the human. At least that's the hand-wavy explanation.DemonFiren wrote:kind of a strange ruling tbh since attacking a stand directly harms the human controlling that stand
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
- Anonmare
- Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:59 pm
- Byond Username: Anonmare
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
It'd make stands too effective if they were both unstunnable and forced to be treated as Human in my eyes.
I remember chaos holos being picked every single round and I do not miss them
I remember chaos holos being picked every single round and I do not miss them
- TehSteveo
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:31 am
- Byond Username: TehSteveo
- Location: Pennsylvania
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
It's more due to the frustrating fact that this thing that isn't human can cause massive amount damage and harm, but you can't stop it. In a way you can only try to remove people from it...oh and stop people attacking it as they're causing human harm.DemonFiren wrote:kind of a strange ruling tbh since attacking a stand directly harms the human controlling that stand
Freedom
- Owegno
- In-Game Game Master
- Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:53 pm
- Byond Username: Owegno
- Location: Western Freedonia
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
Asimov borgs and AIs are free to harm holoparasites as much as they damn well please. IC reasoning for this as that previous thread said is because borgs and AIs don't know that damaging the parasite damages the human. OOC reasoning is that outside of direct damage borgs and AIs have no way to deal with holoparasites and banning them from being able to fight back would be rather unfair.
I'll admit that personally I'd prefer to see holoparasites straight up removed from the code so we didn't need to have a snowflake policy like this to balance an item that is just a reference to some flavor of the month anime from a few years ago.
I'll admit that personally I'd prefer to see holoparasites straight up removed from the code so we didn't need to have a snowflake policy like this to balance an item that is just a reference to some flavor of the month anime from a few years ago.
- BeeSting12
- Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:11 am
- Byond Username: BeeSting12
- Github Username: BeeSting12
- Location: 'Murica
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
i was gonna post soemthing but owegno took the words out of my mouth (keyboard)
- DemonFiren
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:15 pm
- Byond Username: DemonFiren
Re: Holoparasites and asimov/harm clarification.
why do you have a keyboard in your mouth
- Screemonster
- Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:23 pm
- Byond Username: Scree
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users