[MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

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[MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby wesoda25 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:47 pm #464759

Byond account and character name: Wesoda25 Ryan Cobb

Banning admin: MrAlphonzo

Ban type (What are you banned from?): Servers, 1 day

Ban reason and length: YOU KILLED AND SPACED A MAN FOR DESTROYING TWO CHRISTMAS TREES

Time ban was placed (including time zone): now (round 99274)

Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil

Your side of the story: Sorry alphonzo but my conscience forces me to appeal this.

Anyways, piece of shit Dante Smit (not smith) decides, for the fun of it, to cut down both Christmas trees. So I kill and space him. It may be worth mentioning he's done this at least once before.

Why you think you should be unbanned: The Christmas Trees are one of the best reasons to connect during the holiday season, due to the fun gift potential and how every round is a bit crazier and more fun due to shit people get (for example someone got an unlimited admin pipegun the other day). Dante Smit decided to be a piece of shit and ruin this for everyone by destroying both of the Christmas trees. Hes an asshole who takes pleasure in ruining fun things.

If its worth anything, I was very candid with alphonzo in ahelps. I explained the situation fully even when it was kind of incriminating for me.

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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby imsxz » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:52 pm #464762

getting lynched for ruining christmas is standard practice. i was a cultist that round and too busy to lynch chaplain but I can assure you I'd have killed and cremated the chaplain too for being a cunt. Sad to see chap didnt eat one for banbaiting honestly.

Not peanut posting because it's true that people get lynched for destroying the trees all the time and that needs to be made clear

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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby wesoda25 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:00 pm #464766

imsxz wrote:getting lynched for ruining christmas is standard practice. i was a cultist that round and too busy to lynch chaplain but I can assure you I'd have killed and cremated the chaplain too for being a cunt. Sad to see chap didnt eat one for banbaiting honestly.

Not peanut posting because it's true that people get lynched for destroying the trees all the time and that needs to be made clear

I should note its not really ban baiting because I ahelped originally. For all I know he took it in stride, I just ahelped because I wanted admins to tell him to stop doing this shit since he clearly didn't understand the lesson when he got fucked up ICly.

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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby MrAlphonzo » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:30 pm #464774

Initially, I was going to look the other way until I saw where his body ended up.

Smashing Christmas trees is pretty dickish, and does justify a roughing up, but spacing someone for it and taking them out of the round permanently went over the line.

I've spoken to a headmin that was online at the time and we agreed that, the killing was fine, but the spacing took things too far.
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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby imsxz » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:30 pm #464799

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=18928&hilit=imsxz
related. past headmins have approved killing&cremating of a guy that killed a friendly antag (thats a quick summary at least), arguably less of a dick move than breaking down christmas trees for the lulz.

easily comparable, in both situations the victim was being called for a lynching by many over comms, both ended permakilled by a nonantag.

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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby wesoda25 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:03 am #464845

I dislike referencing past decisions and anything not in the “Read these if nothing else” rules so I’ll stick to arguing with the situation. (Edit: I have no issue with other people doing so. I’d just rather not base my argument off headmin decisions which change like the wind. If you wanna reference one feel free.)

Immediately after I killed him a doctor arrived in the same room. Meaning if I left him there, he would have been defibbed and sent on his way in under minute. That really would have taught him a lesson, wouldn’t it? Then he would spend the rest of his round trying to get revenge on me with his null rod. No thanks.

Additionally, he kind of broke rule one by being a bigger dick than the grinch. Escalation policy comments on how stealing someone’s ID card can result in you dead, and I think this might apply to that as well. He literally stole the presents of everyone who hadn’t taken one yet.

At the end of the day he was a fucking dick and got his shit kicked in. I don’t regret what I did at all and still don’t understand how I went too far.
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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby actioninja » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:38 am #464874

Despite wesoda just saying he doesn't like referencing past decisions, there is policy precedent for this: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14718#p369897
It's almost a year old now and was made by a past headmin, so it would probably be good to have a more up to date decision on this.

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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby Nervere » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:15 am #464904

If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like chopping down the Christmas trees while they’re enabled) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.

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Re: [MrAlphonzo] I did the right thing

Postby Nervere » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:52 pm #465007

OK, so we talked this over, and while we agree that chopping down the Christmas trees opens you up to retribution, you shouldn't space/cremate/etc. for it. Permanent round removal is a step too far.
I've looked further into this particular case, however, and I feel that the ahelp logs are relevant.
Spoiler:
source: raw-logs filtered by adminprivate, then filtered by wesoda25. link: https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/basil/ ... 4/game.log
[2018-12-26 20:18:39.473] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): Judging from how it is cult I would assume that Dante Smit, the chaplain, was NOT antag. This is the second round I've seen so far where he destroyed the xmas trees for no reason, does it make him more than valid? - heard by 1 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[2018-12-26 20:19:14.560] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): This ticket is a wild ride of emotions but I'm terribly sorry that being the Grinch is in fact not illegal.
[2018-12-26 20:19:27.308] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): why tho hes a cunt
[2018-12-26 20:19:49.727] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): just use insults from that Grinch song and harass him
[2018-12-26 20:19:58.668] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): i killed him
[2018-12-26 20:20:37.075] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): did you kill the chaplain for destroying the christmas tree
[2018-12-26 20:21:14.880] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): yes he destroyed both of them
[2018-12-26 20:21:29.852] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): you killed the chaplain for destroying christmas trees
[2018-12-26 20:21:39.985] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): that is correct yes
[2018-12-26 20:22:45.607] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): why did you kill the chaplain for destroying christmas trees
[2018-12-26 20:22:59.455] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): AND YOU SPACED HIM?
[2018-12-26 20:23:02.870] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): being a dick
[2018-12-26 20:23:15.075] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): oh god damn it you were a cultist all this time
[2018-12-26 20:23:52.992] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): bro if reading WGW makes you valid how the fuck does destroying the best thing about connecting during xmas time not make you valid? Also I was not cult when I killed him
[2018-12-26 20:24:27.723] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): you are like a walking ban magnet
[2018-12-26 20:24:46.880] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): I really don't think it constitutes a note let alone ban
[2018-12-26 20:24:57.489] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): chaplain was being a fuckign dick and got his shit kicked in
[2018-12-26 20:25:01.266] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): YOU KILLED AND SPACED THE CHAPLAIN DURING CULT FOR DESTROYING A CHRISTMAS TREE
[2018-12-26 20:25:18.105] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): I didnt know it was cult, how could that have affected my decision
[2018-12-26 20:25:35.677] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar)->Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb): OKAY FINE
[2018-12-26 20:25:52.449] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): BOTH
[2018-12-26 20:26:00.066] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Wesoda25/(Ryan Cobb)->MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar): HES VALID AS HECK
[2018-12-26 20:26:25.874] ADMINPRIVATE: MrAlphonzo/(Rex Salazar) has created a temporary 1440 minutes server ban for Wesoda25.

I'm not going to go over these logs piece by piece, but it's pretty clear from looking at them that Wesoda was doing his best to act in good faith in this scenario. He ahelped about his own actions because he wanted to verify what he did was the right thing to do. This doesn't void any punishment you might receive from your actions, but it is enough for me to lift this ban and the associated note. Going forward we won't tolerate spacing for this sort of thing, though, please be aware of that.


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