Emergency Response Team

[Spacemanspark]

Bottom post of the previous page:

What if the Captain calls in help during a Nuke Ops/Cult/Rev round? We can put in a time limit of 20-30 minutes into a shift before they can be called but that would only go so far, what if they are called in for no good reason?

What do you mean, if they call it during Nuke Ops/ cult/ rev? That's, you know, the point of an EMERGENCY response team. It's the same on Baystation, Paradise, Unbound Travels, whatever server that has them.
If a captain calls in a team for no good reason (It happens on Paradise from time to time.), then they should either be A) Arrested by the ERT, or B) Job banned from captain. It's not that fucking hard.

Perhaps safeguards like a longer calling system, only letting the Captains ID being able to call the ERT

Or just using the ID swipers that are found in the Bridge. Two ID's to call the team. Perhaps one should be the captain's ID, I don't know.

[Timbrewolf]

Forcing us to have to create new rules and a system to police abuses of a new game function

vs.

Simple Adminbutton.

Should be pretty obvious which one is better implemented. If players want an ERT to come in they can ask centcomm from the console.

[Wyzack]

On second thought, it really should only be an admin button. Otherwise it will require rebalancing of pretty much every game type.

[Steelpoint]

Ok I swear guys I'll finish this. I was toying around with a way to try and allow admins to spawn in a ERT, but I can't into code.

Once my current Wizard Ship PR is either merged or rejected, I'll get my ERT PR up and running.

[Balut]

Really worried about discouraging loud antagonism. Would prefer the 'station is expendable' attitude of just Deathsquad and using Space Valhalla (televised on Bar TV) to satiate ghosts.

That said, someone's already done a Deathsquad-renamed-as-ERT event dealie, so fuck it I guess.

Also I am majorly more okay with the Emergency Response Team if it's renamed Emergency Response Party.

[DemonFiren]

Also I am majorly more okay with the Emergency Response Team if it's renamed Emergency Response Party.

I second this motion.

[Raven776]

Emergency Response Party is a go?

[dezzmont]

"We need ERP!"

But yeah response teams and deathsquads and judges or whatever? Those are events, not game functionality. They distrupt the flow of the round heavily and the game is balanced around station entropy. Non-antags get weaker over time as a general rule, not stronger. Sciene and mechs kinda mess with this but security definitely gets weaker over time.

[Balut]

Hopefully the ERP would be a non-standard thing. That is, badmins understand not to slap that button all the time, since as mentioned it goes against the general design of the game. (>implying we have a unified design)

I sorta dig the ERP as a way to shake up expectation of what'll happen - always the possibility to go off of expectation, I guess. It's also useful for those sorts of rounds where a wizard annihilates the station, but then just sits on the bridge for an hour or whatever. Granted, long rounds with lots of dead guys are what the Deathsquad button is for, but whatever.

I still say Space Valhalla is another, cooler option to alleviate ghost-boredom, though.

[Steelpoint]

I finally got a PR up: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6705

Yay, more balancing is needed now.

[qwert]

Are those guys protected from being valid for the crew? As DS you have to gun down everyone , because PUSH, PUSH, LEL GUYZ I ROBUSTED DEATHSQID, I AM ROBUST.

[Steelpoint]

The ERT are a asset recovery team sent by Nanotrasen, and are not a clandestine special operations unit akin to the Death Squad. I would assume that, unless stated otherwise in game, the ERT are not valid for the crew to kill, as the ERT are there to help.

[dezzmont]

They need to be decked out in soft cuddly gear and come off as creppily theraputic.

Their hugs also need to heal.... don't worry... everything will be ok...

[Steelpoint]

Quick overview of the ERT for those who have not/yet to look at the PR.

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The ERT is compromised of seven individuals. One Commander, Two Security Officers, Two Medical Officers and Two Engineering Officers.



Several unique items have been given to the ERT, alongside standard Sec/Engi/Med gear, they are:

* Military RCD: A RCD with a 200 unit charge, one for each Engi Officer.

* Adminordazine: 50 unit medipen with a admin chemical that rapidly heals a target, two for each Med Officer and one for the Commander.

* Pulse Carbine: A scaled down Pulse Rifle issued to the Security Officers. Can fire either 20 Pulse, 20 Stun or 20 Kill shots before exhausting. Can fit in a backpack.


* Pulse Pistol: Standard issue sidearm, given to all ERT members aside from the Commander. Can fire either 10 pulse, 20 stun or 20 kill rounds.


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Here's a map overview of the new area

Spoiler:

You'll notice the rear rooms. The upper room is the ERT Equipment Area, the lower is the Death Squad Equipment Area. Both are off limits and only admins can grant access.

[Lo6a4evskiy]

There's a combat injector (or something like that) in game, which is hypospray, but more tacticool. Also I think it can take 50 units of stuff. Give medical officers that.

Also implants. Adrenalin implants, for example. Freedom implants.

[peoplearestrange]

I think the pulse pistol should only have 10 kill shots, but keep the 20 stuns. Otherwise it's too similar to the Carbine.
Can the pulse guns be recharged in charging points?

Other than that nice job! Looks awesome!

[Steelpoint]

I'm pretty sure the Pulse Guns can be recharged, its just that due to their very large cell size that it takes a long time to recharge one.

[Steelpoint]

There's a combat injector (or something like that) in game, which is hypospray, but more tacticool. Also I think it can take 50 units of stuff. Give medical officers that.

Also implants. Adrenalin implants, for example. Freedom implants.

I'll give the ERT Med Officers a Combat Injector of 100 units of adminordazine. 10 units of which will heal about 125 hp over time.

[Cheridan]

My recommendation would be to tone down the power level of these guys a lot. I really don't see the point of them if they're just going to be the next Ninja, something ridiculously overpowered that immediately steals focus from the round and makes admins not want to press in the first place.

With the deathsquad it's fine because their sole purpose is to end the round. But the goal of the ERT is to extend the round. That means people are going to have to actually interact with them in a manner that doesn't involve just running and/or dying. That's going to be a huge problem. One slip on a banana and now you have an assistant running around with a pulse weapon. They simply aren't going to interact well with the crew when their shit is so enticing.

The fact you're even considering using a badmin-only/debug chem as a game mechanic should tell you that you need to tone it down.

[Steelpoint]

The Pulse Weapons suffer from a big disadvantage. They take forever to recharge.

They use a 20,000 cap cell, meaning its very unfeaisble to recharge one. Its a one trick pony in that once your exhasuted your firearm your in trouble. So someone stealing a Carbine from a ERT is not as crippling as it sounds, it also encourages the Officers to really look after their guns and use something less effective when they can (Stun Batons or Flashes for example). You can also put it in your backpack, so you don't have to run around with it in your hands.

The Military RCD is just a RCD but with double the matter units. In fact once you've gone below 100 units you cannot extend it back over 100 to 200 again, so after that its just a RCD.

The Adminordazine is in place because its a effective healing chemical. You only get 10 uses out of a injector though so at maximum your going to be able to heal around 10 people. Whereas a medkit can heal far more people. Its also a "overtime" healing chemical, it can take half a minute for the 10 units to process and heal a user.

[Lo6a4evskiy]

But you can recharge them partially. The charge rate is the same, no?

To be honest, I agree that pulse weapons are too much. They don't need pulse mode, they have RCDs for that stuff. Give them advanced eguns or some shit like that.

[Steelpoint]

It takes about seven minutes to fully recharge any Pulse weapon. Using the Pulse Carbine as a example, if you leave it to charge for one minute you'll get about three pulse shots.

I can always adjust the pulse ammo drain for the Carbine to draw enough to fire only 10 shots and not 20.

[Raven776]

At some point someone named the ERP into ERT for some reason.

Can't we go with our entirely original idea of Emergency Response Party?

[Balut]

My recommendation would be to tone down the power level of these guys a lot. I really don't see the point of them if they're just going to be the next Ninja, something ridiculously overpowered that immediately steals focus from the round and makes admins not want to press in the first place.

With the deathsquad it's fine because their sole purpose is to end the round. But the goal of the ERT is to extend the round. That means people are going to have to actually interact with them in a manner that doesn't involve just running and/or dying. That's going to be a huge problem. One slip on a banana and now you have an assistant running around with a pulse weapon. They simply aren't going to interact well with the crew when their shit is so enticing.

The fact you're even considering using a badmin-only/debug chem as a game mechanic should tell you that you need to tone it down.

Seconding this.

Also re-seconding a return to Emergency Response Party.

[NikNakFlak]

Moving this to feedback. It may not be merged just yet, but it exists so its no longer an idea.

[Steelpoint]

The Emergency Response Team is finished! Its ready to get merged and is waiting approval.

Thanks to some motivation, I got a proper code system set up that lets admins spawn in ghosted players as a ERT, making it all automated.

[Vigilare]

emergency response party**

[Steelpoint]

Good news is that the PR was merged.

Bad news is that it was reverted four hours later.

My best guess is that I accidently overwrote the Centcom shuttle to the pre-carn update which broke it. I'll get a new PR up and running sooner or later.