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cedarbridge wrote:Is there a particular reason you posted handmade "logs" instead of requesting official logs for this complaint?
godmin wrote:Ban requests will no longer be open for posting in.
-It was a waste of time for the victim: Arguing for a week because you spend 20 minutes sitting out of the game is a poor use of time
-It was a waste of time for the accused: Arguing for a week because you killed a guy in a videogame is a poor use of time
-It was a waste of time for admins: See above. Made all the worse by having to track down various parties and get them to post, drag up logs, etc. Half the ban requests sat for a month because nobody could be bothered anyway.
godmin wrote:but kor the admin I adminhelped to didn't ban the guy!
Move on then. We don't need an appeals circuit all the way to the top every time the clown punches the mime.
godmin wrote:I guess he got away with it. It's still not worth your time to spend a week getting mad about it. It's just a game in the end, and you'll be alive next round (or on the other server when you switch, or in another game if you just tab out and do something else when you die).
[2019-05-16 05:46:06.892] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): I want to point out, by the way, killing the dog is a bannable rule one break. And I have prior rulings and people who agree. So what am I supposed to do? Fucking murderbone?
[2019-05-16 05:47:18.504] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): I want to be clear that this has rule one precedents by the way.
[2019-05-16 05:47:44.658] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14718#p369897 #Headmin ruling
[2019-05-16 05:53:23.128] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings Just to be clear and show that killing/capturing Ian (and Aaron was probably the killer) is a rule one violation, Headmin ruling.##To be clear, the KIDNAPPING of Ian is what led to this entire course.
KorPhaeron wrote:If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.
Isratosh wrote:[2019-05-16 05:46:06.892] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): I want to point out, by the way, killing the dog is a bannable rule one break. And I have prior rulings and people who agree. So what am I supposed to do? Fucking murderbone?
[2019-05-16 05:47:18.504] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): I want to be clear that this has rule one precedents by the way.
[2019-05-16 05:47:44.658] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14718#p369897 #Headmin ruling
[2019-05-16 05:53:23.128] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kenteko/(Mina Nisumari)->Kiteme/(Luther Longmont): https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings Just to be clear and show that killing/capturing Ian (and Aaron was probably the killer) is a rule one violation, Headmin ruling.##To be clear, the KIDNAPPING of Ian is what led to this entire course.KorPhaeron wrote:If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.
Did you completely forget to read the second half of that sentence in the headmin ruling that you are quoting? That piece of policy is to stop people from trying to get other people banned when they themselves are the ones instigating. Killing Ian is a dick move, yes, but has nothing to do with the admins.
That entire situation is an IC issue that you pushed (demotion) and lost. It doesn't matter how "by the book" you did it, in-character issues don't always go your way just because you did them right and that is not something you can whine to the admins about (rule 10). I would've absolutely dropped the ticket, and I would advise that you listen to Shaps' advice. He was well in his right to relieve Kiteme of the player (read: you) that would not listen. Keeping an admin over a problem this minuscule for 2 hours is deranged. Consider yourself lucky that Saegrimr isn't around, because he would have given you the same advice without the sugar coating.
Kenteko wrote:
Admin PM from-Shaps: I'm going to level with you, as someone who's been headmin and been around for years, from our perspective it's honestly just not worth the time to investigate a he-said she-said that happened several rounds ago. I only stepped in on this because I looked at the tickets and saw you've been talking to Kiteme with giant walls of text for over two and a half hours.
For all the time you spent writing these massive walls of text (which I barely read tbh), you could have been eating some ice cream or watching a funny youtube video, or playing the game. Like I said, I'm sorry you had a bad round, but having the occasional bad round is just part of SS13, and this is exactly the reason why one of my fellow headmins discontinued ban requests for /tg/ years ago.
You can be indignant and threaten to file complaints all you want, but the hard fact is that 99.9% of the playerbase moves on from having bad rounds literally all the time, the admin team included. Your insistence on remaining upset about a past round is far beyond what I see from most players and is a detriment to you, which is a shame because as I've said you're otherwise a fine player. Either way, it's your call how you choose to proceed, but I won't let you continue to tie up Kiteme about something you could have been far past by now
John_Gobbel wrote:I am looking through the information here and note a marked difference between the logs that Arianya has posted and what Kentenko states was said here, notably the last two paragraphs of the following quote:Kenteko wrote:
Admin PM from-Shaps: I'm going to level with you, as someone who's been headmin and been around for years, from our perspective it's honestly just not worth the time to investigate a he-said she-said that happened several rounds ago. I only stepped in on this because I looked at the tickets and saw you've been talking to Kiteme with giant walls of text for over two and a half hours.
For all the time you spent writing these massive walls of text (which I barely read tbh), you could have been eating some ice cream or watching a funny youtube video, or playing the game. Like I said, I'm sorry you had a bad round, but having the occasional bad round is just part of SS13, and this is exactly the reason why one of my fellow headmins discontinued ban requests for /tg/ years ago.
You can be indignant and threaten to file complaints all you want, but the hard fact is that 99.9% of the playerbase moves on from having bad rounds literally all the time, the admin team included. Your insistence on remaining upset about a past round is far beyond what I see from most players and is a detriment to you, which is a shame because as I've said you're otherwise a fine player. Either way, it's your call how you choose to proceed, but I won't let you continue to tie up Kiteme about something you could have been far past by now
These two bolded sections are missing from the logs that Arianya has posted.
I want to make sure that the logs are accurate before I make a post related to admin expectations.
CitrustGender wrote:1. No Attacks/harassment towards players
...((Skipped irrelevant information))...
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Admins should never make continued unwanted and annoying actions towards players for the purpose of personal malice or some type of prejudice. This includes statements that are outwardly hostile to specific players and/or may be a defamation of that player's character. Admins are in a position of power and should never use their position in power to strong arm players and talk badly about them while they have no form of recourse. Only severe and/or continuous cases will be considered to be a break of this expectation, but I want to outline that a continuous harassment of players after being told to stop will not be allowed and will be met with warnings and/or demerits depending on the severity.
Sometinyprick wrote:
Don't interfere with another admin's ban or adminhelp unless requested. Feel free to point out important missed details or useful information however. Higher-ranked admins are encouraged to advise and guide other admins, but overruling someone else's ban falls to the headmins.
Arianya wrote:
[2019-05-16 07:00:42.741] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Shaps/(Beatrix Abode)->Kenteko/(Kenteko): I'm going to level with you, as someone who's been headmin and been around for years, from our perspective it's honestly just not worth the time to investigate a he-said she-said that happened several rounds ago. I only stepped in on this because I looked at the tickets and saw you've been talking to Kiteme with giant walls of text for over two and a half hours.
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- For all the time you spent writing these massive walls of text (which I barely read tbh), you could have been eating some ice cream or watching a funny youtube video, or playing the game. Like I said, I'm sorry you had a bad round, but having the occasional bad round is just part of SS13, and this is exactly the reason why one of my fellow headmins discontinued ban requests for /tg/ years ago.
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- You can be indignant and threaten to file complaints all you want, but the hard fact is that 99.9% of the playerbase moves on from having bad rounds literally all the time, the admin team included. Your insistence on remaining upset about a past round is far beyond what I see from most players and is a detriment to you, which is a shame because as I've said you're otherwise a fine player. Either way, it's your call how you choose to proceed, but I won't let you continue to tie up Kiteme about something you could have been far past by now
For all the time you spent writing these massive walls of text (which I barely read tbh), you could have been eating some ice cream or watching a funny youtube video
That's why I reported it not for rule one, despite the many other precedents for other rules. Truth be told, this was a blatant rule five break with abuse of position as malicious intent was clearly at play when someone stole my fucking dog, ignored TWO direct orders from their Asimov lawset, and then gulaged me without any sort of reason or excuse even against command staff's orders.
No fucking offense intended, but I could not have done it more by the book if I was holding the book in my hand and reciting the fucking rules.
PM to-Admins: So I just realized, but I'm pretty sure the RD suicided on a nukies war op.
Admin PM from-Shaps: eh, everyone gets all access anyway so I'm not so tight during war ops
PM to-Admins: Rule 5 though and it's someone being removed from command staff.
Admin PM from-Shaps: rule 0 everyone's already got all access anyway and I don't feel like pursuing it, thank you for the report though.
I will have no problem acting in that light and doing what I want and simply citing this, and you, as precedence.
Yea, I'll happily do so. Permanently.
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