New Power to replace X-ray
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New Power to replace X-ray
Now that X-ray vision was removed from genetics, there is room for a new power to take its place of equivalent power-level, but without the problems of X-ray.
What should that new power be?
What should that new power be?
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
making the admin only belt that makes you invisible in darkness a genetics mutation would be cool
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Delete genetics and replace it with better genetics
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
To increase the playing of genetics.Cobby wrote:why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
If you look at statbus, people playing genetics has fallen off a cliff since the removal of x-ray, and the nerf of hulk.
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That sounds for a pretty serious fundamental problem with the job. I mean, jobs should be compelling to do beyond what they give you, like janitor!Helios wrote:To increase the playing of genetics.Cobby wrote:why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
If you look at statbus, people playing genetics has fallen off a cliff since the removal of x-ray, and the nerf of hulk.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Thermal vision and space adaptation are only two powers that are not gimmick that are worth killed time. Rework minigame involved, somehow, to make gimmick power job work. As potential user of powers, I liked thermal vision more than X-ray, and never really wanted hulk because it's all about removing walls and delivering beatdown to random valids. I'd not be surprised X-ray removal was ided in nature, KathyRyals removed it and later on is adding botany buff on chem traits.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
If only there was a handsome rogue that suggested a full overhaul to genetics somewhere in this boardArmhulen wrote:That sounds for a pretty serious fundamental problem with the job. I mean, jobs should be compelling to do beyond what they give you, like janitor!Helios wrote:To increase the playing of genetics.Cobby wrote:why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
If you look at statbus, people playing genetics has fallen off a cliff since the removal of x-ray, and the nerf of hulk.
tis a shame
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
ME BUT I'M STILL MAD ABOUT IT SO DON'T @ MESheodir wrote:If only there was a handsome rogue that suggested a full overhaul to genetics somewhere in this boardArmhulen wrote:That sounds for a pretty serious fundamental problem with the job. I mean, jobs should be compelling to do beyond what they give you, like janitor!Helios wrote:To increase the playing of genetics.Cobby wrote:why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
If you look at statbus, people playing genetics has fallen off a cliff since the removal of x-ray, and the nerf of hulk.
tis a shame
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
It seems like nobody as far as I know has taken the time to redo genetics, again.
But they have no problem nerfing the results of the job, so that nobody ends up putting in the time to play it.
I am not going to tell Oranges how to do his job, but this piecemeal thinking when it comes to code can result in problems like this
But they have no problem nerfing the results of the job, so that nobody ends up putting in the time to play it.
I am not going to tell Oranges how to do his job, but this piecemeal thinking when it comes to code can result in problems like this
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Look I don't disagree with you but reworking genetics would be a huge undertakingHelios wrote:It seems like nobody as far as I know has taken the time to redo genetics, again.
But they have no problem nerfing the results of the job, so that nobody ends up putting in the time to play it.
I am not going to tell Oranges how to do his job, but this piecemeal thinking when it comes to code can result in problems like this
the issue with genetics aren't the rewards for the job they honestly always kinda sucked, it's that the job itself sucks
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
wow, how did you know about a thread made a year before you signed up for the forums?Sheodir wrote:If only there was a handsome rogue that suggested a full overhaul to genetics somewhere in this boardArmhulen wrote:That sounds for a pretty serious fundamental problem with the job. I mean, jobs should be compelling to do beyond what they give you, like janitor!Helios wrote:To increase the playing of genetics.Cobby wrote:why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
If you look at statbus, people playing genetics has fallen off a cliff since the removal of x-ray, and the nerf of hulk.
tis a shame
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
There's been like 7 but I gotta shill for the home teamPKPenguin321 wrote: wow, how did you know about a thread made a year before you signed up for the forums?
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
>remove and nerf all the powers from genetics
>remove cloning from genetics
>wonder why no one plays genetics
hm
>remove cloning from genetics
>wonder why no one plays genetics
hm
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Implying Genetics was popular even before thisSuper Aggro Crag wrote:>remove and nerf all the powers from genetics
>remove cloning from genetics
>wonder why no one plays genetics
hm
Nobody ever played Genetics for cloning so this is a non argument, there are no Geneticist mains that whined about cloning being removed both because Genetics is a boring slog and because people only ever played for the powers once or twice, and then realized they were never worth the RNG boredom, and then they rolled another job
Genetics is fundamentally flawed
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
As someone who loves genetics a ton and has added a lot of genetics stuff to it... let's not pretend like genetics has been any good... ever...
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
There are going to be nails that are sticking out, things that are blatantly above the current power curve, but something more like this should be how balance is thought about. Meta hunters aren't going to use a "Spear but worse" weapon.
Understand that for a strategy to be viable in the game, it has to have strengths and weaknesses.
Or to use an RPG terms, Balance should be thought about from a points-buy perspective, not a roll for stats. It's fine if someone puts 10 points into strength so long as everyone has the same pool of SPECIAL stats to spend.
Understand that for a strategy to be viable in the game, it has to have strengths and weaknesses.
Or to use an RPG terms, Balance should be thought about from a points-buy perspective, not a roll for stats. It's fine if someone puts 10 points into strength so long as everyone has the same pool of SPECIAL stats to spend.
I agree with Crag. They're not thinking beyond stage one. It's short sighted thinkingSuper Aggro Crag wrote:>remove and nerf all the powers from genetics
>remove cloning from genetics
>wonder why no one plays genetics
hm
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
egg ray, it heats up eggs and boils them
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
>xray was removed
why do they keep doing things like this
why do they keep doing things like this
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Why the fuck did Helios post a huge analysis of Fate Servants I'm confused
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
I have no idea how to describe that strength-dexterity-etc graphs.Sheodir wrote:Why the fuck did Helios post a huge analysis of Fate Servants I'm confused
I don't know what it is called so I used an example to convey the idea.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
i saw some anime hieroglyphs and everything went black
woke up reading the x-ray removal pr and it seems more reasonable in context, you can still cut out your eyes and put computer ones in
cobby needs to kneejerk harder than that if he's to replace oranges as most dangerous maintainer
woke up reading the x-ray removal pr and it seems more reasonable in context, you can still cut out your eyes and put computer ones in
cobby needs to kneejerk harder than that if he's to replace oranges as most dangerous maintainer
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
rework void magnet and make it actually useful(read: a meme)
when you press that button you become an imaginary friend to a person of your choosing(globally) for 30 seconds. makes for a perfect prank, you can dress up as a baddie with toy sword and scare people
when you press that button you become an imaginary friend to a person of your choosing(globally) for 30 seconds. makes for a perfect prank, you can dress up as a baddie with toy sword and scare people
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Very cool to keep harassing me about the, what, two botany shifts where you played with me ? I clearly wrote in the PR body that it was made with Arcane, who CREATED new botany. Additionally, calling my Xray removal ided when I've been mainly a science player since forever actually shows you don't even bother checking up on the people you talk shit about. I actually lost a good deal of power because I used to get xrays ALL the time and I have ruined many antags with it, so removing it actually nerfed me.Ivuchnu wrote:Thermal vision and space adaptation are only two powers that are not gimmick that are worth killed time. Rework minigame involved, somehow, to make gimmick power job work. As potential user of powers, I liked thermal vision more than X-ray, and never really wanted hulk because it's all about removing walls and delivering beatdown to random valids. I'd not be surprised X-ray removal was ided in nature, KathyRyals removed it and later on is adding botany buff on chem traits.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
the appeal of playing janitor lies solely in slipping people running through hallway and pointing at your holo sign with smug self-satisfaction, i'd count that under "what the job gives you", it's just not tangibleArmhulen wrote:That sounds for a pretty serious fundamental problem with the job. I mean, jobs should be compelling to do beyond what they give you, like janitor!Helios wrote:To increase the playing of genetics.Cobby wrote:why would i add an equivalently powerful item if the power of xray was deemed too strong hence removal???
If you look at statbus, people playing genetics has fallen off a cliff since the removal of x-ray, and the nerf of hulk.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Well, perhaps I am wrong about Cimika's motives with X-ray removal, coniine bluespace tomatoes must have made wrong impression. I definitely thought those are to be thrown at valids. It does not change the fact there's just thermal vision (which is quite strong for validhunting) and space adaptation in pool of useful powers. Are robos with x-ray eyes next on chopping block?
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
You need someone else to help you acquire those, and if anyone who has tried to get scrubs to do anything for you has learned, that is easier said than done. It isn't just that you are asking another player to help you. You are probably going to have to teach them as well.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Meson vision. You can see the enviroment clearly like you have a pair of mesons taped to your forehead. If you combine this with (read: use alongside) thermal vision your eyes melt.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
ogg ray, it lets you see sound as visible effects
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
mite b cool as like a spider sense thing, an on-screen hud element that points to where sounds of interest are (like the sounds of people getting beaten and shot)oranges wrote:ogg ray, it lets you see sound as visible effects
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
valid ray, makes you see the antags
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
new power: you're done
it gives you a permanent non removable medal that says you beat genetics and never have to do it again
it gives you a permanent non removable medal that says you beat genetics and never have to do it again
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
new power:
x-ray
it makes you shoot x-ray with your eyes, slowly irradiating everything you see
and you can only see people as skeletons
x-ray
it makes you shoot x-ray with your eyes, slowly irradiating everything you see
and you can only see people as skeletons
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Activates only when you lock eye contact with someone, making locking eye contact with a geneticist deadlySpace Panda wrote:new power:
x-ray
it makes you shoot x-ray with your eyes, slowly irradiating everything you see
and you can only see people as skeletons
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Actually, the wizard version of hulk can shoot lasers from its eyes,maybe eye lasers with a 30 second cooldown between shots could be the new powerSpace Panda wrote:new power:
x-ray
it makes you shoot x-ray with your eyes, slowly irradiating everything you see
and you can only see people as skeletons
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Third Hand: Gives you an extra right hand. Can be combined with the Hulk mutation to get Four Hands mutation. (exclusive against Third Hand mutation)
Acrobatic: Falls won't make you drop items. Also lube and other slippery things won't slip you, but super duper lube still can.
Matter Phasing: Cooldown ability that lets you pass through walls. Shorter duration than "jaunt" abilities and you aren't invisible or otherwise untargettable. Also it's LOUD.
Chrome Dome: Energy shots against your head will be reflected, but you can't be wearing hats or anything larger than an internals mask.
Acrobatic: Falls won't make you drop items. Also lube and other slippery things won't slip you, but super duper lube still can.
Matter Phasing: Cooldown ability that lets you pass through walls. Shorter duration than "jaunt" abilities and you aren't invisible or otherwise untargettable. Also it's LOUD.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Fleshy duffel bag.
Creates a... fleshy duffel bag on your back. Functions similar to snail shell, still slows you as if it were a duffelbag. Can be torn off like a piece of clothing causing high brute and breaking your torso.
I know, I'm a genius.
Seriously though, I think that if none can be arsed to do a full rework on genetics, just adding a lot of 'meh' genetic powers would probably both nerf it and make it slightly more enjoyable.
It'd take longer to find the stronger mutations (seriously its just space adapt now) and yet will let geneticists experiment a tad more with a few semi useful powers like;
Magnetic feet - functions same as magboots but with a tad bit less of a slowdown.
Hardy bones - broken bones are less likely/heal on their own. More likely to have a dislocation.
Club arm - ability to turn a random arm into a heavy object. Deals somewhat decent brute, can only be repaired by replacement surgery.
Instead of having just 'good' and 'bad' mutations, I think mutations should be much more mixed with positive and negative effects for most.
Creates a... fleshy duffel bag on your back. Functions similar to snail shell, still slows you as if it were a duffelbag. Can be torn off like a piece of clothing causing high brute and breaking your torso.
I know, I'm a genius.
Seriously though, I think that if none can be arsed to do a full rework on genetics, just adding a lot of 'meh' genetic powers would probably both nerf it and make it slightly more enjoyable.
It'd take longer to find the stronger mutations (seriously its just space adapt now) and yet will let geneticists experiment a tad more with a few semi useful powers like;
Magnetic feet - functions same as magboots but with a tad bit less of a slowdown.
Hardy bones - broken bones are less likely/heal on their own. More likely to have a dislocation.
Club arm - ability to turn a random arm into a heavy object. Deals somewhat decent brute, can only be repaired by replacement surgery.
Instead of having just 'good' and 'bad' mutations, I think mutations should be much more mixed with positive and negative effects for most.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
if we forced genetics to where only people with less then 10 hours could use the machines nobody would have these problems and society's world hunger would be fixed
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
LOCKED DUFFELBAG LOCKED DUFFELBAGBrotherBeyond wrote:Fleshy duffel bag.
Creates a... fleshy duffel bag on your back. Functions similar to snail shell, still slows you as if it were a duffelbag. Can be torn off like a piece of clothing causing high brute and breaking your torso.
I know, I’m a genius.
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
How difficult would this be to code?BrianBackslide wrote:Third Hand: Gives you an extra right hand. Can be combined with the Hulk mutation to get Four Hands mutation. (exclusive against Third Hand mutation)
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Not very, because we have support for more than 2 hands. We don't use that support for anything though short of adminbusHelios wrote:How difficult would this be to code?BrianBackslide wrote:Third Hand: Gives you an extra right hand. Can be combined with the Hulk mutation to get Four Hands mutation. (exclusive against Third Hand mutation)
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Two stun batons, two riot shields. God fuckin speed antags. In case anyone has any sudden insane inspiration to want to code the extra hands - why?trollbreeder wrote:Not very, because we have support for more than 2 hands. We don't use that support for anything though short of adminbusHelios wrote:How difficult would this be to code?BrianBackslide wrote:Third Hand: Gives you an extra right hand. Can be combined with the Hulk mutation to get Four Hands mutation. (exclusive against Third Hand mutation)
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Yeah Kor preemptively banned third hands from ever being added until the way shields work gets changed since being able to use a shield with a twohanded weapon would just be stupid
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Give them the Hulk restriction that they can't use guns, and weapons that require a 2-handed grip like the PKA take up all 3 hands.PKPenguin321 wrote:Yeah Kor preemptively banned third hands from ever being added until the way shields work gets changed since being able to use a shield with a twohanded weapon would just be stupid
Make it a real tradeoff
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well it wasn't just two handed weapons but more just the third hand being a permanent shield slot since it works passively in your offhand and just straight up deletes attacks against youHelios wrote:Give them the Hulk restriction that they can't use guns, and weapons that require a 2-handed grip like the PKA take up all 3 hands.PKPenguin321 wrote:Yeah Kor preemptively banned third hands from ever being added until the way shields work gets changed since being able to use a shield with a twohanded weapon would just be stupid
Make it a real tradeoff
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Re: New Power to replace X-ray
You mean like having an off-hand esword or katana?
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exactly, only because it's in your third hand you can literally just hold it and then never have to think about it again because the two remaining open hand slots are enough to do anything elseNecromancerAnne wrote:You mean like having an off-hand esword or katana?
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i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
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- Helios
- Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 5:07 pm
- Byond Username: Shodansbreak
Re: New Power to replace X-ray
Does Space Adaptation make you immune to storms in ice box?
- Shaps-cloud
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:25 am
- Byond Username: Shaps
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