Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
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Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
why and how is a fully augmented person with a robotic voice human? i almost ate a note over that the other week. basically the previous ruling is 5 years old and basically "oog borg is borg human is human human cant be not human"
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.
But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human
But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
Too bad changelings and technically abductors (their disguises could be compatible with such an idea though) still exist. Mainly the changelings part.Armhulen wrote:I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.
But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
changelings would be fine since they are already indistinguishable until they use their abilities. abductors are already able to be seen through simply by looking at them, so it wouldnt be a huge issueAyy Lemoh wrote:Too bad changelings and technically abductors (their disguises could be compatible with such an idea though) still exist. Mainly the changelings part.Armhulen wrote:I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.
But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
I thought the current policy was if you scan them with a health scanner and it says anythin other than human, they're not human. Augmented peeps are always human on the health scanner, unless they werent to begin with.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
Which is ridiculous and silly, why is android a species and a human at the same timeBrotherBeyond wrote:I thought the current policy was if you scan them with a health scanner and it says anythin other than human, they're not human. Augmented peeps are always human on the health scanner, unless they werent to begin with.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
if I brain transplant a human brain into a lizard does that mean the human got augmented with lizard body parts
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
Android =/= Augmented humanArmhulen wrote:Which is ridiculous and silly, why is android a species and a human at the same timeBrotherBeyond wrote:I thought the current policy was if you scan them with a health scanner and it says anythin other than human, they're not human. Augmented peeps are always human on the health scanner, unless they werent to begin with.
Androids are a species obtainable through admin fuckery, the magic mirror (I think), or mutation toxin obtained by botany strange seeds
Augmented humans are created by fully augmenting a human, which results in someone who is still human but has the appearance of an android
Androids and augmented humans look either identical or extremely similar, to the point where you can't tell at a glance
The only real distinguishing features are mechanics (Androids dont need to breathe and are immune to radiation) and voice. Androids speak like a robot, but augmented humans can also have the same voice by swapping out their tongue for the robotic voicebox robotics can get.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
Then how can an ai distinguish them
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
The hut has perished at my hands.
The pink arrow is always right.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
The issue with abductors lie less with being obvious (despite all the jokes of abductors being bald people, there is a difference between bald humans and non-humans) and more due to the fact that they need their disguises in order to not be spotted. While the AI already can't track an abductor agent due to their helmet, it would be annoying if you were doing everything perfectly yet got spotted due to the AI having a fucking sixth sense that can detect highly advanced aliens however not changelings.NoxVS wrote: changelings would be fine since they are already indistinguishable until they use their abilities. abductors are already able to be seen through simply by looking at them, so it wouldnt be a huge issue
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
if the health scan says its human then its human
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
As much as I love you Arm, that's fuckin retarded. A big part of antags being successful is just keeping their bloody mouth shut whilst they're wearing a hardsuit or whatever, so silicons cant valid em. And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.Armhulen wrote:I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
so make disguises that cover face show as unknownBrotherBeyond wrote:As much as I love you Arm, that's fuckin retarded. A big part of antags being successful is just keeping their bloody mouth shut whilst they're wearing a hardsuit or whatever, so silicons cant valid em. And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.Armhulen wrote:I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.
if someone's an unknown then you can't identify them one way or the other
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
agreeable, just needs to have a lot of ambiguityScreemonster wrote:so make disguises that cover face show as unknownBrotherBeyond wrote:As much as I love you Arm, that's fuckin retarded. A big part of antags being successful is just keeping their bloody mouth shut whilst they're wearing a hardsuit or whatever, so silicons cant valid em. And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.Armhulen wrote:I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.
if someone's an unknown then you can't identify them one way or the other
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
the real trick is that the overlay would act strange if you got laws that redefined "human"
like, coding it to recognise the onehuman board might not be tooooooooo difficult, but the freeform board is where it would get fucky
like, coding it to recognise the onehuman board might not be tooooooooo difficult, but the freeform board is where it would get fucky
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
I was thinking more of something on the hud, like medhud. When your laws don't really apply, you can just switch it off.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
yes they areTimonk wrote:health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent
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ok time to rescue the humans out of genetics every round
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
go for itTimonk wrote:ok time to rescue the humans out of genetics every round
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
i have three other top secret characters as well.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
monkeys always add good fun to a round.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
Good. Fuck em, they're literally just banbaiting if they do this.BrotherBeyond wrote:And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
If it isn’t controlled by a player it isn’t human.Timonk wrote:health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent
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something about the ship of nostradamus
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
Sentient monkey is human? Is it like hulk where you lose humanity from one mutation (in this case, monkified)?NoxVS wrote:If it isn’t controlled by a player it isn’t human.Timonk wrote:health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent
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Re: Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion
While this is ideally something we'd like to see we believe it would create too much of a headache for players/admins to deal with. How many parts replaced with cyborg makes you nonhuman? Where do you draw that line?
Its also pretty difficult to distinguish them from regular humans at times from the sprites we've seen. As it stands we will make no changes to this policy
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Coconutwarrior97: Keep policy as is, originally I was for this change but after thinking about it some I realized alot of the potential issues which would arise from it, which I think aren't worth it.
Domitius: Keep policy as is.
Naloac: Keep policy as is.
Its also pretty difficult to distinguish them from regular humans at times from the sprites we've seen. As it stands we will make no changes to this policy
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Coconutwarrior97: Keep policy as is, originally I was for this change but after thinking about it some I realized alot of the potential issues which would arise from it, which I think aren't worth it.
Domitius: Keep policy as is.
Naloac: Keep policy as is.
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