The astonishing thing here is that not a single one of you got the actual RP rules correct.
edit: actually to be fair my reading of vekters interpretation is probably unfair, they did stick pretty close to rule 8, it was just beesting reading from the wrong rules.
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Roleplay_Rules wrote:
Rule 7)Don’t use OOC information or knowledge that your character would not reasonably be aware of just to give yourself an advantage.
Do not powergame. Powergaming is gearing up or preparing in other ways to face an issue that is not related to your job and is not currently a credible threat. Someone going missing on the station, and then you making a stunprod to wield whenever you go into maint is powergaming. However; knowing there have been murders occurring across the station, and grabbing a stunprod while you go to fix wires in maint is fine.
Rule 8) Play as a coherent, believable character.
Real life realism is not required, and you are encouraged to be a little silly within the context of the SS13 game world. (Clowning around, people spontaneously exploding and creating ridiculously elaborate machinery are all non-serious things but yet a vital part of the game world.) There's a good chance your character still wants to have a job at the end of the day, so you should probably act like it.
Rule 9) Stay in your lane.
Stay in your lane. This mean that you should do the job you signed up for and not try and do other people’s jobs for them. If you need something from another player you should attempt to ask them to get it for you instead of just taking it. If there is no one around to do a job or you get permission to help or grab something it is acceptable to stray from your lane.
Beesting is on an entirely wrong ruleset and Vekter is conflating rules 8, 9 and 7 all together as one.
However none of these rules justify someone intervening in a round to warn someone about giving someone a dose of morphine, given the circumstances of dealing with an unknown antagonist capable of morphing into other crewmembers, sedating them would be considered justified in nearly any real life scenario you can think of and people would not be super worried about the ALIEN LIFEFORM GETTING ADDICTED TO MORPHINE, so the whole idea that they did anything wrong under rule 8 is patently absurd. We can tell from real life historical precedent that ethics would not be considered when dealing with an unknown very dangerous threat, let alone considering the IC lore aspects of NT not really giving a damn about the health and welfare of their station crews.
Their actions are also entirely justified as per the rules themselves.
First
Roleplay Rules wrote:
These are extra rules.
The RP rules are an extension to the base rules, not a replacement for. Big difference.
This is a key fact that most manuel administrators seem completely incapable of absorbing, perhaps they should go back through training to grasp what this actually means.
EDIT: and you know what to be honest this could probably use a policy thread, because I"ve seen way too many fucking RP admins blow off the main rules and the main server players with "IT's the rp server" so they clearly have not fucking read and understood the ruleset they're supposed to be enforcing. Clearly they're only looking at it when they need to find some bullshit justification for some bullshit they've pulled up out of their asshole and need to cover for. They should fucking understand that they are operating from the EXACT fucking same base ruleset and don't get to make it up as they go along.
Second from main rules
The main rules wrote:
Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.
Especially, and I have to strongly emphasise
Especially when the player is an antagonist or taken out by one.
Finally, because I feel like I haven't typed enough in this post yet, the true irony is that Wesoda was actually trying to follow our most important rule.
The golden rule wrote:
Don't be a dick.
We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
He was trying to find a solution where the player remained in the game, and had a chance to continue to roleplay, but instead they're getting pulled up on an absurd technicality that isn't supported by the very RP ruleset the server admins claim to operate on. This is the saddest part of the whole ordeal because honestly there was no reason for them to have a negative experience from playing the game like this and it's just extremely disappointing that it had to come to this.
They weren't acting maliciously, they weren't doing it out of ill-intent, but clearly the noting admin and the people defending the noting admin are assuming the worst possible bad faith? Why? I don't fucking know, maybe wesoda pissed in their cheerio's or something but there certainly isn't anything in game to support that PoV. Like holy shit the guy developed an entirely manageable in game IC addiction to a drug. It certainly beats being fucking dismembered and put in the cremator.
Summary, headadmins will delete this note, but no punishments will be laid.
Outcome: probably reasonable, but honestly I don't know because the manuel admins are starting to act extremely cringe and someone needs to rope them in and give them cock and ball torture until they start not being so overly aggressive about minor fucking issues.
Now that I have done my part, I feel free to say this is a note straight out of bay and the admin responsible should go back there and stay away from tg forever, literally nobody needs protecting from the admins over getting an IC addiction to a drug, Not a single person ever. The name of the servers are manuel and campbell, not hugbox 1 and 2.
People wonder why I don't want to add code to support the RP servers when their admins really out here acting like this smh.
Wow I edited this post like 300 times I mus feel really strongly about it.