sinfulbliss wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:
I very much agree this wasn't dox, but jackrip thought it was, thought they were doxxing somebody,
We should agree that what matters in determining punishment is what they
were doing, not what they
thought they were doing. If Jackrip truly thought he was doxxing, then he simply has an incorrect understanding of what doxxing is. But that's neither here nor there.
MSO wrote:and thought it was acceptable to blame said person for it, call it their fault, and laugh at the entire situation.
I agree that's a shitty thing to do and reflects poorly on one's character, but in the context of what we are now calling a "joke," it is understandable they would laugh in the situation, notwithstanding the harmfulness of said joke.
MSO wrote:if you expose your cavalier disregard in the matters of doxxing to us, we won't hesitate to remove you from the community
I understand this sentiment - if someone is cavalier about it, there is a chance they
may actually be a doxer. Joking about doxxing is against the rules because people who don't take doxxing seriously enough, are at a higher risk of doxxing someone. So they are banned to prevent a potential dox. (Correct me if the motive behind the rule is different.)
If that's the case, then the question is simply whether Jackrip is at risk for
actually doxxing someone due to his cavalier attitude about it. I don't believe we have reason to believe that's the case. He has been a part of the community for several years now, and has never to my knowledge run into issues with doxxing, or been rumored to have been a doxer. Pose the question to yourself honestly, and you'll likely agree Jackrip wouldn't be a dox risk in the future if he were back in the community.
That said, all bans are a form of punishment. Punishment is used for two purposes: 1) retribution, or 2) getting rid of a behavior. For the latter, ban lengths vary according to how long that might take. More serious offenses imply a more problematic behavior in the offender, which take longer punishments to correct. If Jackrip isn't at a risk of doxxing someone in the future, then there is no behavior to get rid of, so he would not need to be punished according to (2).
Punishment also has an aspect of retribution, though. It's not only to rid the community of the behavior, but to get
justice for whoever was wronged. For example: if someone murders my parents because of a grudge they had against them, they may very well not be at risk for murdering in the future. Nevertheless, they should be punished to enact justice for those wronged. That is retribution. It's the same reason I am banned - it is retribution for those I wronged through multikeying.
Jackrip wronged [REDACTED] through his joke about doxxing. I do not know how much damage was done as that is private information. Having to delete one's digg account is significant - I've had one of my longtime forum accounts deleted before and it causes a lot of grief. I'm not sure about what other damage happened, but given the tenor of the ban, I don't believe it was based on retribution, since not a whole lot of personal damage occurred according to my limited knowledge of the situation.
The second reason to ban besides "to punish" is if a player is determined to be a bad addition to the community as a whole. Most bans are in-game, so the "community as a whole" refers to the community of the server itself on BYOND. Jackrip was an amazing addition to the in-game community as a whole, and most players who remember him from the past few years would wholeheartedly agree. He added life to the servers and things often transpired around him. Some people disliked him because he murderboned as an antag, but this is an invalid reason and should be disregarded. He seemed to behave in the Discord community as well. The only place he messed up was in a private Discord off the tg-community-circle. So despite being good additions to most facets of the community, he was banned for what was, in the end, some toxic behavior on a private discord (if my understanding is right).
I don't believe they would be a risk of doing this again, simply because one does not blow a game they've invested 6+ years and 4000+ hours into, over a really bad joke. Given his commitment to the game previously, I imagine they regret it immensely, and likely would not come near such behavior again. But before the regret sets in, anger probably is the first response - anger over the people who caused them the grief of being banned from the place they invested so much of their life into. Those people are the ones he gave that copypasta to, originally. I am sure they will cool off, if they haven't already, and the anger will be mixed with regret, before fully transforming into regret.
For these reasons, it does not make sense to me to keep Jackrip blacklisted. The right thing would be to give them a ban that punishes them proportional to the damage they caused the victim involved. If that wasn't significant, then the ban should not be significant - and a blacklist is very significant. I would encourage MSO and the headmins to consider allowing them to appeal the blacklist after a year, if any of the points I have made resonate with you.