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Weak little heretic didnt deserve this
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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31807To be clear here I have death matched greys for hacking into Cargo/Medical. If I ask you not to hack into my department and refuse to leave then one of us is going to be horizontal at the end of it.
That is fair i presume
yeah desworders getting bludgeoned to death by everyone in the room is natural but I wish we were more MRP when it comes to situations where someone is trying to figure out whether someone is an antag or not. do we really need to check the shoes for hidden weapons? check for implants? I watched a clown get murdered for being a "heretic" and he was unable to fight back and did not use any abilities as he was shotgunned and beat to death by a shaft miner larping as sec. the detective decided to drag his corpse to med and had his heart replaced to ensure he wasnt a heretic.
I think my point is that the game would be more fun if people tried to do escalation with antags as they do with nonantags. You wouldnt shove someone to the floor and beat them to death with a toolbox if they are hacking into tool storage, so why should you do so if you see them use an airlock card on it? Because they are the bad guy? When the traitor whips out their esword to try and take you out as a witness, that should be your green light to beat them to death however you see fit.
sinfulbliss wrote:2) Is security allowed to execute captured antagonists who are at high risk for posing a future threat (e.g., .357 in bag, cult dagger, heretic focus, etc.), but who otherwise have not committed any crimes?
Mothblocks wrote:2. Yes. Rule 12 is not RP rule 6 + Rule 4. "Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists"
That's not what the note is for.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:31 pm Relevant policy thread "Rule 12 and Security": viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31248
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Under these grounds, anybody who has read the logs of any of Zyb's shifts would argue the note should stay.CoffeeDragon16 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:46 am As I said in both the ticket and the appeal, the situation with the heretic was not rule-breaking. I was missing information when I ahelped you, and told you this once I realized my mistake. I made the note because of your history as security, and not because of the heretic.
Zyb executes a heretic, is bwoinked for executing the heretic, and then once this is deemed valid, noted post hoc for their past history of validhunting. To say that executing the heretic had nothing to do with the note only makes sense in the absolute strictest possible interpretation. If he hadn't executed the heretic he wouldn't have been noted.Scriptis wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:36 pmThat's not what the note is for.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:31 pm Relevant policy thread "Rule 12 and Security": viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31248
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Under these grounds, anybody who has read the logs of any of Zyb's shifts would argue the note should stay.CoffeeDragon16 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:46 am As I said in both the ticket and the appeal, the situation with the heretic was not rule-breaking. I was missing information when I ahelped you, and told you this once I realized my mistake. I made the note because of your history as security, and not because of the heretic.
1) Is security allowed to spend their round validhunting for antagonists and antagonist activity, despite there being no active threats on the station?
Clearly there is consensus in the community that Zyb is ruining people's experiences through his lack of RP and mute playstyle. It should be easy enough then to find an instance of this and note for it there as opposed to during a completely valid action of executing a heretic with a compromised permabrig.Mothblocks wrote:1. It depends on what "validhunting" means here, but ultimately--if you aren't playing to win and aren't ruining someone else's experience, you will be fine. This likely needs a more specific case, but walking around maintenance and such as security is fine. Do remember that security is the job designated to protect the station and enforce order, not a job designed to exclusively attack antagonists.
Zyb plays random name so it is very hard for any crewmembers to report consistent bad faith play so the only way to document these sorts of things is through notes. The other benefit of doing it through notes is that the person receiving them can understand what they did was wrong and to change it before it becomes a ban.
Understandable. As of the rework a heretic needs a special item equipped to cast any spells aside from funny hand. What this means in practice is that once you have one in a cell and stripped, only the rust path heretic can break out. If your heretic is one of the other now four paths, they're shit out of luck and as helpless as any guy in gay baby jail.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 2:07 pmI haven't seen any heretice since the update, I just ctrl-f jaunt on the heretic page to check if it still existedAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:12 amLiterally just take their focus. They've needed it to jaunt since the reworkRageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:36 am even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere
yeah but arresting and cuffing a ascending heretic and putting him in the shuttle brig would be really funnyAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:42 pmUnderstandable. As of the rework a heretic needs a special item equipped to cast any spells aside from funny hand. What this means in practice is that once you have one in a cell and stripped, only the rust path heretic can break out. If your heretic is one of the other now four paths, they're shit out of luck and as helpless as any guy in gay baby jail.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 2:07 pmI haven't seen any heretice since the update, I just ctrl-f jaunt on the heretic page to check if it still existedAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:12 amLiterally just take their focus. They've needed it to jaunt since the reworkRageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:36 am even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere
Once they ascend all bets are off of course. Ascended heretics are living focuses themselves and do not need an object to channel their eldritch patron. If you happen to encounter one you either shoot them with everything you got or pray that they leave you alone.
If he already ascended he'd just jaunt out or use his many spells to kill you.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:43 pmyeah but arresting and cuffing a ascending heretic and putting him in the shuttle brig would be really funnyAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:42 pmUnderstandable. As of the rework a heretic needs a special item equipped to cast any spells aside from funny hand. What this means in practice is that once you have one in a cell and stripped, only the rust path heretic can break out. If your heretic is one of the other now four paths, they're shit out of luck and as helpless as any guy in gay baby jail.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 2:07 pmI haven't seen any heretice since the update, I just ctrl-f jaunt on the heretic page to check if it still existedAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:12 amLiterally just take their focus. They've needed it to jaunt since the reworkRageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:36 am even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere
Once they ascend all bets are off of course. Ascended heretics are living focuses themselves and do not need an object to channel their eldritch patron. If you happen to encounter one you either shoot them with everything you got or pray that they leave you alone.
Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:45 pmIf he already ascended he'd just jaunt out or use his many spells to kill you.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:43 pmyeah but arresting and cuffing a ascending heretic and putting him in the shuttle brig would be really funnyAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:42 pmUnderstandable. As of the rework a heretic needs a special item equipped to cast any spells aside from funny hand. What this means in practice is that once you have one in a cell and stripped, only the rust path heretic can break out. If your heretic is one of the other now four paths, they're shit out of luck and as helpless as any guy in gay baby jail.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 2:07 pmI haven't seen any heretice since the update, I just ctrl-f jaunt on the heretic page to check if it still existedAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:12 amLiterally just take their focus. They've needed it to jaunt since the reworkRageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:36 am even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere
Once they ascend all bets are off of course. Ascended heretics are living focuses themselves and do not need an object to channel their eldritch patron. If you happen to encounter one you either shoot them with everything you got or pray that they leave you alone.
Objection! Calls for speculation, lack of foundation.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 pm I mean, analyzing say logs is fine and all, but maybe you're getting a bit too hung up about the number and percentages of words. That's still LRP security we're talking about here, and if they don't want to talk a whole lot to feral animals pretending to be crewmembers on a space station, then that's just fair. Putting the noose around someone for not talking enough is pushing it in my eyes.
With gossiping regards
-BONERMASTER
Sir, it is clear that your objection is intended to harass and annoy me as described under FRCP 30 (D) 3A:Agux909 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 5:38 pmObjection! Calls for speculation, lack of foundation.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 pm I mean, analyzing say logs is fine and all, but maybe you're getting a bit too hung up about the number and percentages of words. That's still LRP security we're talking about here, and if they don't want to talk a whole lot to feral animals pretending to be crewmembers on a space station, then that's just fair. Putting the noose around someone for not talking enough is pushing it in my eyes.
With gossiping regards
-BONERMASTER
With all due respect your honor, this notion of harrassment or annoyance is ridiculous. It's plainly obvious that MR. BONERMASTER is talking on behalf of unnamed, unknown and unquantified security officers, and pretends to know their thought process. This is speculation.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 7:56 pmSir, it is clear that your objection is intended to harass and annoy me as described under FRCP 30 (D) 3A:Agux909 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 5:38 pmObjection! Calls for speculation, lack of foundation.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 pm I mean, analyzing say logs is fine and all, but maybe you're getting a bit too hung up about the number and percentages of words. That's still LRP security we're talking about here, and if they don't want to talk a whole lot to feral animals pretending to be crewmembers on a space station, then that's just fair. Putting the noose around someone for not talking enough is pushing it in my eyes.
With gossiping regards
-BONERMASTER
therefore, I move for sanctions, motion to terminate the deposition at this moment AND will call the Special Master in advance to settle this matter accordingly.Off Topic(d) Duration; Sanction; Motion to Terminate or Limit.
(A) Grounds. At any time during a deposition, the deponent or a party may move to terminate or limit it on the ground that it is being conducted in bad faith or in a manner that unreasonably annoys, embarrasses, or oppresses the deponent or party. The motion may be filed in the court where the action is pending or the deposition is being taken. If the objecting deponent or party so demands, the deposition must be suspended for the time necessary to obtain an order.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
(p.s. also object to form)
I have an objection to exhibit B being taken into evidence, because it is entirely based on hearsay.Agux909 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pmWith all due respect your honor, this notion of harrassment or annoyance is ridiculous. It's plainly obvious that MR. BONERMASTER is talking on behalf of unnamed, unknown and unquantified security officers, and pretends to know their thought process. This is speculation.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 7:56 pmSir, it is clear that your objection is intended to harass and annoy me as described under FRCP 30 (D) 3A:Agux909 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 5:38 pmObjection! Calls for speculation, lack of foundation.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 pm I mean, analyzing say logs is fine and all, but maybe you're getting a bit too hung up about the number and percentages of words. That's still LRP security we're talking about here, and if they don't want to talk a whole lot to feral animals pretending to be crewmembers on a space station, then that's just fair. Putting the noose around someone for not talking enough is pushing it in my eyes.
With gossiping regards
-BONERMASTER
therefore, I move for sanctions, motion to terminate the deposition at this moment AND will call the Special Master in advance to settle this matter accordingly.Off Topic(d) Duration; Sanction; Motion to Terminate or Limit.
(A) Grounds. At any time during a deposition, the deponent or a party may move to terminate or limit it on the ground that it is being conducted in bad faith or in a manner that unreasonably annoys, embarrasses, or oppresses the deponent or party. The motion may be filed in the court where the action is pending or the deposition is being taken. If the objecting deponent or party so demands, the deposition must be suspended for the time necessary to obtain an order.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
(p.s. also object to form)
Their take on how SYBIL officers behave on a regular basis, given their lack of experience and familiarity on that environment is also unfounded; this can be backed up by Exhibit B, page 69. No foundation for these speculations, simple.
As per the object to form, I kept my objections short and concise! Your honor, this man is trying to justify the behavior in question from out of thin air!
play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
Do you think we could program a validhunter NPC to replace him? Maybe if we fed it his combat data.Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:03 pm literally incapable of interacting with people for five minutes outside of killing antags as secoff
The survival instinct is not to be carelessly neglected.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:42 pmDo you think we could program a validhunter NPC to replace him? Maybe if we fed it his combat data.Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:03 pm literally incapable of interacting with people for five minutes outside of killing antags as secoff
Must play of the PS4 generation was Ghost of Tsushima, look into it if it ever happens.Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:50 pm I really wish he'd just be like "yeah, good wake-up call," and start RPing instead of being a VALIDS machine.
I also want someone to send me their old PS4 so I can finally play its exclusives
What do you think guys, has he actually rested his case? Will this be his last post in the appeal? I look forward to the thrilling conclusion.
I only stopped posting because they made me.RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:55 pm Every time I see the appeal update I know I'm in for a good chuckle.
What do you think guys, has he actually rested his case? Will this be his last post in the appeal? I look forward to the thrilling conclusion.
still holding out for you to demonstrate that you've roleplayed for more than five minutes in the past year
Relevant thinking human ruling (much more meaningful and relevant than the headmin ruling):sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:31 pm Relevant headmin ruling on policy thread "Rule 12 and Security": viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31248
sinfulbliss wrote:2) Is security allowed to execute captured antagonists who are at high risk for posing a future threat (e.g., .357 in bag, cult dagger, heretic focus, etc.), but who otherwise have not committed any crimes?Mothblocks wrote:2. Yes. Rule 12 is not RP rule 6 + Rule 4. "Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists"
Head Coder of /tg/station, hi!Shaps-cloud wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 am May eventually become one of the illusive maintainer-headmins if they choose to pursue that path, having a coder in the senior admin leadership has usually been positive for both sides in the past.
the case against you buildsZybwivcz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:41 amI only stopped posting because they made me.RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:55 pm Every time I see the appeal update I know I'm in for a good chuckle.
What do you think guys, has he actually rested his case? Will this be his last post in the appeal? I look forward to the thrilling conclusion.
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