LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
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LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72133
I was so mad about this I accidentally posted it in ban appeals...
I was so mad about this I accidentally posted it in ban appeals...
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
Hopefully it doesn't get merged.
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
yeah this just seems very dumb to me, I have never even considered complaining about Det's kit in general
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
He could've started by moving the armor from security jumpsuits to their actual armor, and nobody would be upset.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
Hate when coders try and pass balance changes as anything other than balance changes. "I'm nerfing this because it is too confusing" is bullshit. Grow a pair and just put "time to kill is often too high as a result of everything having armor" instead of trying to larp as some savior trying to fix bugs and oversights via balance changes.
Goof does this shit all the time too and it still gets merged https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/66927
Goof does this shit all the time too and it still gets merged https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/66927
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
I've long since learned that the argument for "balance" just means making something more tedious to do, or alternatively, it's something that crewmembers can do to make an antagonist's job harder so it must be nerfed.
This probably was the end result of them attacking the detective and then being butthurt when the detective didn't die.
I stand corrected.
This probably was the end result of them attacking the detective and then being butthurt when the detective didn't die.
It's a stupid PR made by an active code contributor, so it's totally going to get merged.
I stand corrected.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
I don't believe this person has any opinion of their own that isn't first filtered through what several maintainers babble about in coderbus.
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
absolutely soulless
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
If I'm not mistaken, Guillaume is a headmin for Fulp, so I get the feeling he just shoves every PR designed for his server that he can get away with onto us. Especially given he's got uhh...five rounds played in the last 3 years. I know a lot of our coders don't actively play, but I think he's a good bit worse, and with that level of time investment elsewhere, it's clear where his priorities lie.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:20 am I don't believe this person has any opinion of their own that isn't first filtered through what several maintainers babble about in coderbus.
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
Why would a detective even need armour? It doesn't really matter. Things that don't look like armour shouldn't really have armour.
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CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:15 am If I'm not mistaken, Guillaume is a headmin for Fulp, so I get the feeling he just shoves every PR designed for his server that he can get away with onto us.
The only thing worse than a coder is a coder who swims upstream to shit in the source.
If I had a nickel for every time a coder who played on fulp introduced an out of nowhere nerf upstream instead of on their own server, I would have like five nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it is annoying that it keeps happening.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
Decided to do some digging to see when exactly we got armored detective gear, turns out it was mid 2011 alongside the introduction of armor as a variable (it existed as a hardcoded thing beforehand). It was also significantly higher at that point with stats such as double the melee resistance and quadruple the bullet resistance. I don't think the PR author's understanding of what power creep is correctly aligns with the history of the detective suits balance. Anyways this just seems like another realism for realism's sake PR which tend to be really poor.
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I'd go for a removal of sec beret armor pr, and maybe it would be truer to noir detectives if the coat made those who fire at it terribly inaccurate since every case ends in the guilty party trying and failing to resolve the issue with a flood of bullets, but theres no problem with the detective having armor.
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
Don't think this is that big of a deal, it just makes it so that if you are planning to get shot, you should wear the detective's armored vest. I can see how it's silly that the det has an armored vest WHILE their normal clothes ALSO have armor
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either a pr made after a det didn’t die to their makarov instantly, or a garbage realism pr that serves no reason to exist
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either a pr made after a det didn’t die to their makarov instantly, or a garbage realism pr that serves no reason to exist
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
It's very rare that you plan to get shot. So the detective is forced to choose between having armor and having swag. On LRP the detective will 9/10 times choose armor, meaning the cool coat gets locked in the closet for the rest of the shift and will never see the light of day.TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:30 pm Don't think this is that big of a deal, it just makes it so that if you are planning to get shot, you should wear the detective's armored vest. I can see how it's silly that the det has an armored vest WHILE their normal clothes ALSO have armor
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Oranges and fikou my beloved.
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Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
the first thing I do as captain every shift is take off hat and my carapace and put on my winter coat because I think it looks nicerdatorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:15 pmIt's very rare that you plan to get shot. So the detective is forced to choose between having armor and having swag. On LRP the detective will 9/10 times choose armor, meaning the cool coat gets locked in the closet for the rest of the shift and will never see the light of day.TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:30 pm Don't think this is that big of a deal, it just makes it so that if you are planning to get shot, you should wear the detective's armored vest. I can see how it's silly that the det has an armored vest WHILE their normal clothes ALSO have armor
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Oranges my beloved.
no comments needed from wubli about this
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
To be fair, you also started every pre-progtot traitor round by spawning a syndicate bomb, turning it on, and running around the halls.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:54 am the first thing I do as captain every shift is take off hat and my carapace and put on my winter coat because I think it looks nicer
no comments needed from wubli about this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
yeah, and I made sure I looked fucking great while doing itdatorangebottle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:34 amTo be fair, you also started every pre-progtot traitor round by spawning a syndicate bomb, turning it on, and running around the halls.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:54 am the first thing I do as captain every shift is take off hat and my carapace and put on my winter coat because I think it looks nicer
no comments needed from wubli about this
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
Someone PR bringing back jacked 2011 detective armor just to see what he says
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Re: LOCAL CODERS LITERALLY TRY TO REMOVE NOIR DETECTIVE [NOT CLICKBAIT] [RIGHT FORUM] [GONE FORTNITE] [WATCH TO THE END]
the ban appeal forum should allow you to appeal having someone banneddatorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:40 am https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72133
I was so mad about this I accidentally posted it in ban appeals...
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