Character name: Lisa Green
Ban type: serverw
Ban length: 3 days
Ban reason:
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Time ban was placed: around 10 PM utc today
Server you were playing on when banned: sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: Round ID, should be present in ban reason from server. Can be excluded if it cannot be found.
Your side of the story:
Round starts, HOS requests that his security use gulag and brig. I inform him that roughing up prisoners helps them learn the lesson better than any sentence (this will be important later) i collect the gear that spawns with me INCLUDING energy gun, hand tele, captains laser gun . (because how admins treat captains that get antique early is different i try to wait until blue alert so it would make sense for a captain to want to keep his gun with him IC) I grab the other hand tele and put it into the safe until RD can safely come retreive it. While putting it in the safe the HOS asks me to deep fry the bridge fireaxe. I knew exactly what he meant and agreed with his OOC reasoning, but IC there was no real justification other than metagaming so i instead offer to put the axe in the safe if i can fit it, which i am able to do. After locking the safe and leaving the code accessible (so i can grab the nuke disk before shuttle gets on board is my IC reasoning, i dont want to powergame the disk by putting it in an inaccessible location is my OOC reason). After dealing with a few tiders breaking into bridge (dont think this is relevant but if it is i can go in depth) I go to security. I go to the sec lockers and grab pepperspray. A flash is also picked up but i cant recall if it was from bridge or security locker room. Regardless, I believe that captain is well within his IC right when a blue alert is called to get pepper spray and flash a concealed last resort self defense option. I then go to the armory and get the following items
- Dragnet (nonlethal faster way to stop an assailant if i am engaging defensively)
- box of flashbangs (nonlethal way to protect myself if i am attacked unexpectedly)
- security gas mask (cool looking gas mask)
- riot helmet (better looking than ballistic and there arent any guns on station so it wouldnt make sense, also i just pick random headgears as captain and come up with a random IC justification for it)
Up until the armory is how i consistently "set up" (for lack of a better term) for a round as captain before i can start going around checking departments and feeling out what the crew is getting up to. Armory section fluctuates of course due to circumstance.
I believe around after this point im dealing with a rev round but i get an ahelp pretty early into the round. Admin asks about what im doing and why im "geared to the teeth" I give IC justifications for all that i have (some of it being really redundant like captains energy gun belongs to him...). This ultimately goes nowhere and i even believe that he is going to resolve the ticket as he doesnt respond after hearing my IC justification and some other points (to be revealed further) while dealing with this very long ahelp that took over half of my round I didnt want to spend the entire time locked away so i still go out helping implant crew and "capture" revs while walking around which is where "the majority of [their] say logs being threats" comes from. The only "threat" i recall being told that i said was when i told HOS on SECURITY radio roundstart to rough up greytide just to say something to them and also asking revs to leave bridge while i was getting bwoinked since i couldnt put effort into making sure they werent stealing everything not bolted down. I will elaborate more in the next section but what more can i do to RP with the crew while im getting bwoinked and trying to stay alive while participating actively and not hide in a locker during revs ? The back and forth eventually turned into the admin messaging me the ban reason and saying that I can argue with headmins on forums about it despite not saying anything about my IC AND OOC justifications for my actions and being the reason i cant participate in the round but still adding it into the ban reason ? I also believe that the rev situation happened before i went to sec the first time but I dont know for sure but if logs show then it gives MUCH stronger IC justification for everything
Why you think you should be unbanned: I understand that the choice i make as captain are held under high standards even compared to regular sec. This is why i always make sure to have good IC justification for all drastic actions i take including when it comes to the gear i grab consistently and even the gear i grab inconsistently. Firstly, lets go over every single item again and discuss my justification for having them. Whether my justification is weak or not is i guess whats going to be discussed.
caps gun This belongs to the captain. However, I understand if more IC justification is needed on my part before getting the gun, I just ask what policy captain players have to follow (cap can get it roundstart, cap has to wait until blue, cap has to have actual confirmation of enemies on board)
egun (I spawn with this)
sechuds (Captain should have IC justification to be wearing this even on green alert, they are just regular sunglasses with a hud)
riot helmet
box of flashbangs (nonlethal way to protect myself if i am attacked unexpectedly and i cant get a dragnet out fast enough)
Dragnet (nonlethal faster way to stop an assailant if i am engaging defensively)
hand tele (x2) (I spawn with this, second hand tele belongs to RD so i put it in safe for him, if this is using too much meta knowledge on LRP i can stop but i believed that knowing commonly tided places isnt metaknowledge (which is why half the crew is allowed to make meta jokes about storage rooms getting raided roundstart)
pepper spray (basic self defense does captain even need justification to carry this with him? if so i can provide)
flash (same as pepper spray but even more ridiculous because like every department gets a flash and also are available everywhere)
medkit (if i need to apply emergency aid to myself or a crewmember and we are too far from medbay)
fire axe (already explained above, made a deal with HOS so they dont sneak into brdige and burn fireaxe themselves, also safe is accessible as i intentionllay had code hidden in bridge)
Even though I am under scrutiny during rounds, I believed that admins atleast respected my captain enough to let me know if Im taking too much gamer gear, which is why most of my admin notes / interactions / bwoinks come from my actions during the round instead of me holding onto a medkit flash and pepper spray... Ive gotten notes for powergaming in the past but I dont know if you can use those notes as they are from me spawning as station engineer in order to rob all access and hard tide sec and armory every single round. I realized that it was dumb and if i wanted gear within reason i should play captain and also learn how to lead crew through shifts. I cant say for certain about my captain notes when it comes to gear but
1. I did not rob any other heads of their gear
2. the warden did not react to me taking a dragnet from the armory. OOC I know that i cant take IC action for warden politely asking me to return armory guns (although it would be very dumb considering it was revs).
I believe that I was banned more for my actions and the "rule 12" violation is just a bandaid over it but if I took action as captain that admins are not happy about admins know that they can always talk to me to hear my justification, and if i am in the wrong i have no problem with taking punishment (this has happened multiple times with admins giving me short bwoinks asking for quick justification and leaving me alone afterwards) , but this conversation felt very one sided which is why im bringing all of this over to the forums to atleast get clarification. I also didnt take any action during the round which would warrant a ban as i got bwoinked VERY early but then was accused of only walking around to powergame when im trying to focus on the ahelp and a rev round.
When i play captain, my character is a hyper loyal Nanotrasen bootlicker that needs to run a successful shift or their job is in jeopardy. I would like to be unbanned because (considering the ban reason) I dont believe I acted in a way that warranted a 3 day ban considering everything above. I deleted the "positive player reference" part but I have responded positively to every note i got. I stopped spamtiding on station engineer and when im told about better interpretations of rules and how it relates to me playing captain i always listen and I am always ready to give justification which is why despite my rocky start i am able to consistently play captain and the shifts dont spiral too bad. I am confused as to why i was given such a big ban after such a one sided conversation after such an unremarkable reason. Im always open to admin remarks on my gameplay because I want to know if im breaking rules and how i can not do it in the future.
Finally, although the ban for the reason that its given now is complete BS, I would also like my notes edited to be more specific as "powergame" is vague (to the point where notes about me tiding as engineer to get armory gear is being used as part of a ban reason when i grabbed things out of the security locker room.
Anything else we should know: Could the other admin (possibly headmin) that the admin was talking about discussing the issue with come in this thread? I would just like to hear what they have to say and their justification for the ban too since they are implied to be a major party