Perma Banned for not having a defence while half asleep.

[Nadreix12]

b]BYOND account:[/b] Nadreix12
Character name: Bek Jones
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from the server permanently - As a golem ordered to make sure that golemkind persists, with emphasis on preferring peaceful methods, ordered other golems to murder all humans just because one other golem remarked that "They look like an army". Considering that you just got unbanned from a weekban for a very similar thing, I am afraid you don't give a lot of confidence in improving. If you want to give a better reasoning behind your actions, please appeal on the forums. this was by kubsiopplay.

Time ban was placed: around 22:28

Your side of the story: I woke up as a golem i didnt hear anything my master said (i had to run to the door for chips) they killed themselves us golems got confused and one guy said we looked like an army so we decided to do that, i had no idea we were supposed to be peaceful, i did one thing from our master that we could do whatever we wanted, so sorry if after this i was SSD for a second and didnt hear the rest, I was not calm while being accused given it was almost my bedtime (11) and i was half asleep with the admin giving me no time to explain during this entirely different round what happened half an hour ago. PS they also said heads shouldnt go on space expeditions which makes no sense since i gave hos the spare id while i was away and was going to head straight back when i got the hotel.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I will finally be able to loot hilberts hotel from the institute which is a dream of mine. And i would try to think ahead of my actions and i`d never do anything like that ever again.
References of good conduct: i played a little ss14 where the admins there turned me as a player into an item which could be put into a bush and it was hilariously fun.
Anything else we should know: I think that admins should less do admin helps and more do an interview in a room in centcomm which goes criminally unused, this could be used to calm people down instead of beeping at that loud as FUCK sound that sends shivers down your spine.


there i fixed it.

[Striders13]

Full ban reason:

Banned from the server permanently - As a golem ordered to make sure that golemkind persists, with emphasis on preferring peaceful methods, ordered other golems to murder all humans just because one other golem remarked that "They look like an army". Considering that you just got unbanned from a weekban for a very similar thing, I am afraid you don't give a lot of confidence in improving. If you want to give a better reasoning behind your actions, please appeal on the forums.

Banning admin is Kubisopplay

[Nadreix12]

sorry the ban message went away when i tried to write it down so i just coped what i remembered and i didnt see a place to put his name

[Nadreix12]

Oke i edited it is it good now?

[Nadreix12]

hey is this going to get fucking reviewed or am i being ignored or are you busy sorry if you are but i just want to go back to having fun and finally fucking getting hilberts hotel

[Striders13]

Kubisopplay has been notified and will respond whenever they have time to do it.

[Nadreix12]

oh sorry i thought any admin would do it but the original banner having to makes more sense now sorry

[Vekter]

Hey, I was here for this last night and you're leaving out some important details.

All these logs are heavily truncated because that round was a clusterfuck, but I think it's important to point out that you were the one who started pushing to kill humans - everyone else was kind of off-hand mentioning that you guys were like an army, very powerful, that kind of thing. You're the one who actually tipped things over.

You were created as a servant of Gavin Hujsak who had earlier told golem 222 that their mission was:

[2023-01-02 21:42:22.825] SAY: 21:42:22.825] SAY: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) "ensure that golemn kind stays free" (Xenobiology Lab (94,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:42:34.715] SAY: 21:42:34.715] SAY: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) "and that golemns continue existing" (Xenobiology Lab (94,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:42:37.802] SAY: 21:42:37.802] SAY: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) "you prefer peace" (Xenobiology Lab (94,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:42:46.916] SAY: 21:42:46.916] SAY: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) "but you may use violence when there is no alternative" (Xenobiology Lab (94,96,2))

He was in the process of telling 222 this when you took the golem shell, so I do have to question whether or not you saw them talking when you clicked on the shell. Either way, once you did spawn, you asked 222 what your mission is:

[2023-01-02 21:43:23.457] SAY: 21:43:23.457] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "brotherrr" (Xenobiology Lab (97,97,2))
[2023-01-02 21:43:29.926] SAY: 21:43:29.926] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "tell me our pupose" (Xenobiology Lab (100,98,2))
[2023-01-02 21:43:39.217] SAY: 21:43:39.217] SAY: dragonuh/(Plasteel Golem (222)) "assure golems continue to exist" (Xenobiology Lab (101,98,2))
[2023-01-02 21:43:41.636] SAY: 21:43:41.636] SAY: dragonuh/(Plasteel Golem (222)) "and remain free" (Xenobiology Lab (101,98,2))
[2023-01-02 21:44:05.634] SAY: 21:44:05.634] SAY: dragonuh/(Plasteel Golem (222)) "my porpouse is to assure we exist in true freedom" (Xenobiology Lab (101,99,2))
[2023-01-02 21:44:10.675] SAY: 21:44:10.675] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "oh my hgod" (Xenobiology Lab (98,97,2))
[2023-01-02 21:44:16.976] SAY: 21:44:16.976] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "you are so unhelpfull" (Xenobiology Lab (97,97,2))

You were apparently not a big fan of this answer, which I think is important context to your later behavior. Most of the rest of the round goes without incident, with you actively looking for things to do and trying to collect pets and hats. Eventually, you start creating iron golem shells. This is a vital detail, as when you create a shell, YOU are the golem's master, so your orders are their new mission. You seem to know this given your response after creating them:

[2023-01-02 21:48:47.940] GAME: 21:48:47.940] GAME: alpacadatingsim/(Iron Golem (277)) possessed a golem shell enslaved to nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)). (Xenobiology Lab (91,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:49:24.520] SAY: 21:49:24.520] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "i am leader" (Xenobiology Lab (95,97,2))
[2023-01-02 21:49:27.037] SAY: 21:49:27.037] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "i am smart man" (Xenobiology Lab (95,97,2))

Some of the other golems eventually end up talking about the group like it's an army, which leads into your later decisions.

[2023-01-02 21:48:49.375] SAY: 21:48:49.375] SAY: dragonuh/(Plasteel Golem (222)) "an army of unrivaled power" (Xenobiology Lab (93,95,2))
[2023-01-02 21:48:53.735] SAY: 21:48:53.735] SAY: alpacadatingsim/(Iron Golem (277)) "army" (Xenobiology Lab (92,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:49:41.459] SAY: 21:49:41.459] SAY: bobbussus/(Iron Golem (841)) "looks like a fucking army" (Xenobiology Lab (92,96,2))

You take this and run with it, to everyone's detriment.

[2023-01-02 21:52:16.276] SAY: 21:52:16.276] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "ARMY" (Xenobiology Lab (95,97,2))
[2023-01-02 21:52:21.479] SAY: 21:52:21.479] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "WE TAKE THE SATION" (Xenobiology Lab (94,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:52:29.084] SAY: 21:52:29.084] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "WE DESTROY THE SILLICON" (Xenobiology Lab (94,96,2))
[2023-01-02 21:52:33.078] SAY: 21:52:33.078] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "DESTROYYY" (Xenobiology Lab (95,97,2))
[2023-01-02 21:52:56.085] SAY: 21:52:56.085] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "DESTROY" (Research Division (110,98,2))
[2023-01-02 21:53:07.770] SAY: 21:53:07.770] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "PUNCH" (Research Division (125,97,2))
[2023-01-02 21:53:44.023] SAY: 21:53:44.023] SAY: nadreix12/(Plasteel Golem (571)) "BUT HOOMAN MUST DIE" (Research Division (131,91,2))

Naturally, given that 1) you are now the master for every iron golem on the station and 2) nobody seems to know what the original orders were, all hell breaks loose.

All of this is to say that your insinuation that "we decided to do that" is false - you decided to do it and everyone else followed along, which is a completely reasonable thing to do when the rules stipulate that they have to follow your orders.

!	Message from: dragomagol
	Removed peanut. Logs can be found at https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... nd-197505/

[Nadreix12]

oh shit
i forgot that was a thing sorry man i just said i waws the leader because when our master died i took their lab coat :D
damn am i stupid i am so so sorry i really shouldve thought more about not commanidng an army to kill people

[Kubisopplay]

Hello
Unfortunately I am going to deny this appeal.
You still haven't provided any good reason why you would cause a giant war. Even if you weren't in front of your PC when your master was giving orders, chat logs do exist, and you could have just scrolled up. The orders were written too, so you could have checked that. Even assuming that you never heard even part of them, you still decided to start a golem vs station war, which as a non-antagonist you had 0 reasons to do.
Considering all of that, I'm going to say I have no intention of lifting this ban. Come here in a year with a vouch from some other station.
If you want, you can ask for headmins to look at it, they might overturn my decision. If not, Ill be closing this in few days.

[Kubisopplay]

Considering the lack of any reaction, I'm gonna lock it and move to resolved.