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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Agreed. I am disappointed that a game master, not even a forum admin, is able to see his appeal and make it public. Blacklists are supposed to represent people stuck inside a ban blackhole. They shouldn't be allowed to participate in the community ever again.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
His posts should get automatically rejected, not just hidden. Appealing a blacklist also means they disagree with the blacklist, so obviously they know they're doing the wrong thing. The right thing would've been to never dox, and to never attempt to confirm a presence in the tg community ever again.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
The headmins already said that it wasn't doxing. I quoteth:
Given that the definition of dox says it's not a dox, and the headmins have subjectively determined it was not a dox, I believe it's safe to say that he was not doxing them. That being said, what he did do was still clearly against the rules, and clearly meant to harass, not to just joke around.Coconutwarrior97 wrote:We do not consider this a dox due to the nature of the account being shared, being that it was publically accessible and used in r/ss13. However, sharing it and saying "I guess I'll have to dox X to prove it to you" definetly violates Rule 7.
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I would argue that had they gone down this route it would come off as pulling rank. "Hey guys, I'm an admin, I've dealt with shitters too, come on" kind of argument. Even if they wouldn't intend for it to come off like that, that's how it would. There's also less of a chance of it even being considered, as it took Timberpoes believing it to be genuine to be allowed. If Timberpoes decided he didn't seem apologetic enough, and just didn't respond, who would have been the one to step forth and put their reputation on the line to give him a second chance?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:27 pm Whether this is all real or fake:
The self-pitying text wall in 'your side of the story' does absolutely nothing to remedy or mitigate where things are at, its just going to serve as a trap that'll 'tug at your heart strings' and make them look like a victim of the system for having addictive tendencies.
They'd be better off putting that much effort into the 'why to unban them' and 'references of good conduct' sections.
Dude needs to get a grip and act appropriately. If they are attempting to show that they are mending bridges, they need to layout exactly what they have done to do so in the SS13 community if he honestly wants this to even be considered.
Especially because half the arguments in this peanut thread for why he should stay blacklisted still apply to the arguments you suggest he should make. Just take LolSwat's argument here for example:
-TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:14 pm Even if he completely changed as a person and can see why what he did was wrong, nobody is entitled to forgiveness (within reason) and nobody is entitled to play on the /tg/ chunk of space station 13, especially after doing what he did.
Are they? I agree they probably should be, but... haven't they been appealed in the past? Heck, "temporary blacklisting" is mentioned by MSO in his decision on doxing, though it's unrelated to the actual topic, and more related to the circumstances in that specific case.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
lol i just realized goof being blacklisted explained his stint as host of hippiestationTearling wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:25 amThe headmins already said that it wasn't doxing. I quoteth:
Given that the definition of dox says it's not a dox, and the headmins have subjectively determined it was not a dox, I believe it's safe to say that he was not doxing them. That being said, what he did do was still clearly against the rules, and clearly meant to harass, not to just joke around.Coconutwarrior97 wrote:We do not consider this a dox due to the nature of the account being shared, being that it was publically accessible and used in r/ss13. However, sharing it and saying "I guess I'll have to dox X to prove it to you" definetly violates Rule 7.
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I would argue that had they gone down this route it would come off as pulling rank. "Hey guys, I'm an admin, I've dealt with shitters too, come on" kind of argument. Even if they wouldn't intend for it to come off like that, that's how it would. There's also less of a chance of it even being considered, as it took Timberpoes believing it to be genuine to be allowed. If Timberpoes decided he didn't seem apologetic enough, and just didn't respond, who would have been the one to step forth and put their reputation on the line to give him a second chance?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:27 pm Whether this is all real or fake:
The self-pitying text wall in 'your side of the story' does absolutely nothing to remedy or mitigate where things are at, its just going to serve as a trap that'll 'tug at your heart strings' and make them look like a victim of the system for having addictive tendencies.
They'd be better off putting that much effort into the 'why to unban them' and 'references of good conduct' sections.
Dude needs to get a grip and act appropriately. If they are attempting to show that they are mending bridges, they need to layout exactly what they have done to do so in the SS13 community if he honestly wants this to even be considered.
Especially because half the arguments in this peanut thread for why he should stay blacklisted still apply to the arguments you suggest he should make. Just take LolSwat's argument here for example:
-TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:14 pm Even if he completely changed as a person and can see why what he did was wrong, nobody is entitled to forgiveness (within reason) and nobody is entitled to play on the /tg/ chunk of space station 13, especially after doing what he did.
Are they? I agree they probably should be, but... haven't they been appealed in the past? Heck, "temporary blacklisting" is mentioned by MSO in his decision on doxing, though it's unrelated to the actual topic, and more related to the circumstances in that specific case.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
It's not forgiving someone after doxxing someone, it's forgiving someone after threatening to doxx someone. One has consequences, the other doesn't.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
"Nooooo the guy I don't like is having his appeal reviewed instead of being shit on!111!1!11"Turbonerd wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:46 pmAgreed. I am disappointed that a game master, not even a forum admin, is able to see his appeal and make it public. Blacklists are supposed to represent people stuck inside a ban blackhole. They shouldn't be allowed to participate in the community ever again.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
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when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
i was talking to a friend who had extremely poor experiences regarding jack. i told them they should reach out to him, as i think they could come to some sort of closure regarding it. i dont think they ended up messaging jack. and that’s fine. i don’t think you necessarily have to just forgive people and have to dance around in sunshine and rainbows. but i think it’s merely unhealthy to hold old judgements about people. they agreed that much, at the very least. just not good to go around being bitter about people when they seem like they’ve changed. bad for the soulVekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
worst case scenario you talk to them and the only thing you get out of it is that you rationalize your bitterness.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Considering that there was personally identifying information on my profile (that I've since deleted), he did actually doxx me.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:27 amIt's not forgiving someone after doxxing someone, it's forgiving someone after threatening to doxx someone. One has consequences, the other doesn't.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
He shared a profile owned by you, where you, of your own free will, published personal information. Unless I misunderstood something about the situation, you doxxed yourself.Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:34 pmConsidering that there was personally identifying information on my profile (that I've since deleted), he did actually doxx me.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:27 amIt's not forgiving someone after doxxing someone, it's forgiving someone after threatening to doxx someone. One has consequences, the other doesn't.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
If someone were to link someone else's YouTube channel, where the channel owner freely posts SS13 videos as well as personal information, would he have doxxed said person?
If you know the truth, why do you wait for someone else to say it instead of saying it yourself?
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
I think weather or not jackrip did actually dox according to the definition (publishing private PII about someone) is immaterial when jackrip clearly THOUGHT he was or was baiting/trolling/whatever enough to be indistinguishable from actual malicious intent which is basically the same thing in my eyes.
We all play a 15 year old shitty game about clowns in space, I have zero sympathy for losers who try and bring peoples personal lives or think they’re bringing in peoples personal lives because they’re so assmad and buttblasted they lost an internet argument. I’m generally a believer in second chances but I find it really hard to have any empathy for jackrip, especially considering I don’t even think he’s privately or publicly apologized to vekter for being a fucking moron.
We all play a 15 year old shitty game about clowns in space, I have zero sympathy for losers who try and bring peoples personal lives or think they’re bringing in peoples personal lives because they’re so assmad and buttblasted they lost an internet argument. I’m generally a believer in second chances but I find it really hard to have any empathy for jackrip, especially considering I don’t even think he’s privately or publicly apologized to vekter for being a fucking moron.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
He did, in the thread of which this is a nut.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Doesn’t even address vekter by name, so I don’t really care, sorry.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
In this specific instance, I don't think he needs to.
Shouting down the halls, "HEY, BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEARCH <DOXXED PERSON'S USERNAME> ON digg, THEY USE THE SAME ACCOUNT" gets close to the initial 'doxxing', which isn't very helpful if you're trying to get unbanned.
We all know who he targeted. If you don't, you can probably go to the peanut thread to find out. That doesn't mean he has to do it again to get a proper apology across.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
He is at MSO’s mercy.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Yeah good point, fair enough. The whole thing just rubs me the wrong way. If jackrip apologized in his earlier ban appeals instead of basically memeing by getting an AI to write one of them, or apologized privately (though to be fair this may have happened and we wouldn’t know) I would probably feel differentlydatorangebottle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:19 pmIn this specific instance, I don't think he needs to.
Shouting down the halls, "HEY, BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEARCH <DOXXED PERSON'S USERNAME> ON digg, THEY USE THE SAME ACCOUNT" gets close to the initial 'doxxing', which isn't very helpful if you're trying to get unbanned.
We all know who he targeted. If you don't, you can probably go to the peanut thread to find out. That doesn't mean he has to do it again to get a proper apology across.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
a server that was already a forest fire and goofball was pouring gasoline everywhere.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:43 amlol i just realized goof being blacklisted explained his stint as host of hippiestationTearling wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:25 amThe headmins already said that it wasn't doxing. I quoteth:
Given that the definition of dox says it's not a dox, and the headmins have subjectively determined it was not a dox, I believe it's safe to say that he was not doxing them. That being said, what he did do was still clearly against the rules, and clearly meant to harass, not to just joke around.Coconutwarrior97 wrote:We do not consider this a dox due to the nature of the account being shared, being that it was publically accessible and used in r/ss13. However, sharing it and saying "I guess I'll have to dox X to prove it to you" definetly violates Rule 7.
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I would argue that had they gone down this route it would come off as pulling rank. "Hey guys, I'm an admin, I've dealt with shitters too, come on" kind of argument. Even if they wouldn't intend for it to come off like that, that's how it would. There's also less of a chance of it even being considered, as it took Timberpoes believing it to be genuine to be allowed. If Timberpoes decided he didn't seem apologetic enough, and just didn't respond, who would have been the one to step forth and put their reputation on the line to give him a second chance?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:27 pm Whether this is all real or fake:
The self-pitying text wall in 'your side of the story' does absolutely nothing to remedy or mitigate where things are at, its just going to serve as a trap that'll 'tug at your heart strings' and make them look like a victim of the system for having addictive tendencies.
They'd be better off putting that much effort into the 'why to unban them' and 'references of good conduct' sections.
Dude needs to get a grip and act appropriately. If they are attempting to show that they are mending bridges, they need to layout exactly what they have done to do so in the SS13 community if he honestly wants this to even be considered.
Especially because half the arguments in this peanut thread for why he should stay blacklisted still apply to the arguments you suggest he should make. Just take LolSwat's argument here for example:
-TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:14 pm Even if he completely changed as a person and can see why what he did was wrong, nobody is entitled to forgiveness (within reason) and nobody is entitled to play on the /tg/ chunk of space station 13, especially after doing what he did.
Are they? I agree they probably should be, but... haven't they been appealed in the past? Heck, "temporary blacklisting" is mentioned by MSO in his decision on doxing, though it's unrelated to the actual topic, and more related to the circumstances in that specific case.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
I absolutely agree that memeing the previous appeal is not a good look.Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:28 pm Yeah good point, fair enough. The whole thing just rubs me the wrong way. If jackrip apologized in his earlier ban appeals instead of basically memeing by getting an AI to write one of them, or apologized privately (though to be fair this may have happened and we wouldn’t know) I would probably feel differently
According to Vekter, he hasn't reached out privately to try and apologize. While that isn't in itself evidence, it's something.
Emphasis mine.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Wait, Goof was a host of Hippie? hahahahahaha, why did I never know this.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Yes. It's actively using or sharing the information that's doxxing, not just finding it.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:51 pmHe shared a profile owned by you, where you, of your own free will, published personal information. Unless I misunderstood something about the situation, you doxxed yourself.Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:34 pmConsidering that there was personally identifying information on my profile (that I've since deleted), he did actually doxx me.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:27 amIt's not forgiving someone after doxxing someone, it's forgiving someone after threatening to doxx someone. One has consequences, the other doesn't.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized. On the other, I really don't think setting the precedent that you can come back after doxxing someone is a good idea. Blacklists are permanent by nature, you aren't meant to be allowed back at all. You've done something so heinous or been such a blight on the community that we officially don't want you back. The only reason his actions didn't cause more damage is that I'm relatively careful about what I post online.
If someone were to link someone else's YouTube channel, where the channel owner freely posts SS13 videos as well as personal information, would he have doxxed said person?
Local user doesn't understand sarcasm.
I don't even care if he does it privately. I just noticed in the post that he apologized to the community at large and the person he attacked for reporting what he did, but not the person who could've actually been impacted by his actions.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:40 pmI absolutely agree that memeing the previous appeal is not a good look.Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:28 pm Yeah good point, fair enough. The whole thing just rubs me the wrong way. If jackrip apologized in his earlier ban appeals instead of basically memeing by getting an AI to write one of them, or apologized privately (though to be fair this may have happened and we wouldn’t know) I would probably feel differently
According to Vekter, he hasn't reached out privately to try and apologize. While that isn't in itself evidence, it's something.Emphasis mine.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:36 pm On one hand, I'd be willing to forgive him if he apologized.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
i still remember when that fucking idiot gave me a day ban because as an AI i failed to stop a fucking mob of players from murdering someoneTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:32 pma server that was already a forest fire and goofball was pouring gasoline everywhere.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:43 amlol i just realized goof being blacklisted explained his stint as host of hippiestationTearling wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:25 amThe headmins already said that it wasn't doxing. I quoteth:
Given that the definition of dox says it's not a dox, and the headmins have subjectively determined it was not a dox, I believe it's safe to say that he was not doxing them. That being said, what he did do was still clearly against the rules, and clearly meant to harass, not to just joke around.Coconutwarrior97 wrote:We do not consider this a dox due to the nature of the account being shared, being that it was publically accessible and used in r/ss13. However, sharing it and saying "I guess I'll have to dox X to prove it to you" definetly violates Rule 7.
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I would argue that had they gone down this route it would come off as pulling rank. "Hey guys, I'm an admin, I've dealt with shitters too, come on" kind of argument. Even if they wouldn't intend for it to come off like that, that's how it would. There's also less of a chance of it even being considered, as it took Timberpoes believing it to be genuine to be allowed. If Timberpoes decided he didn't seem apologetic enough, and just didn't respond, who would have been the one to step forth and put their reputation on the line to give him a second chance?Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:27 pm Whether this is all real or fake:
The self-pitying text wall in 'your side of the story' does absolutely nothing to remedy or mitigate where things are at, its just going to serve as a trap that'll 'tug at your heart strings' and make them look like a victim of the system for having addictive tendencies.
They'd be better off putting that much effort into the 'why to unban them' and 'references of good conduct' sections.
Dude needs to get a grip and act appropriately. If they are attempting to show that they are mending bridges, they need to layout exactly what they have done to do so in the SS13 community if he honestly wants this to even be considered.
Especially because half the arguments in this peanut thread for why he should stay blacklisted still apply to the arguments you suggest he should make. Just take LolSwat's argument here for example:
-TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:14 pm Even if he completely changed as a person and can see why what he did was wrong, nobody is entitled to forgiveness (within reason) and nobody is entitled to play on the /tg/ chunk of space station 13, especially after doing what he did.
Are they? I agree they probably should be, but... haven't they been appealed in the past? Heck, "temporary blacklisting" is mentioned by MSO in his decision on doxing, though it's unrelated to the actual topic, and more related to the circumstances in that specific case.
MSO Blacklists Doxing post:All of this being said while I believe in second chances, and I believe his appeal is genuine, I'm not sure if I can agree that he should be unblacklisted. If someone told me that they would make it their mission to ruin my reputation in the ss13 community and then post something private from our DMs or something (Which something unrelated and similar has happened to me here actually) I wouldn't want to see them come back to the community, no matter how genuine they seem. I don't know, maybe the victim's thoughts should be taken into account in this case?► Show Spoiler
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
yeah i think it lasted like 2 months
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I think it could have worked, the players just didn't try hard enough.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
All this is telling me is to vote for goofball and make him a headmin.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:32 pm a server that was already a forest fire and goofball was pouring gasoline everywhere.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
The discussion about what actually counts as doxxing is interesting, but yeah I agree- Jackrip should be banned by rule 1 irregardless of thatQbmax32 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:56 pm I think weather or not jackrip did actually dox according to the definition (publishing private PII about someone) is immaterial when jackrip clearly THOUGHT he was or was baiting/trolling/whatever enough to be indistinguishable from actual malicious intent which is basically the same thing in my eyes.
We all play a 15 year old shitty game about clowns in space, I have zero sympathy for losers who try and bring peoples personal lives or think they’re bringing in peoples personal lives because they’re so assmad and buttblasted they lost an internet argument. I’m generally a believer in second chances but I find it really hard to have any empathy for jackrip, especially considering I don’t even think he’s privately or publicly apologized to vekter for being a fucking moron.
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[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
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<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:44 pm i still remember when that fucking idiot gave me a day ban because as an AI i failed to stop a fucking mob of players from murdering someone
All hippie players were in prison during the goofball presidency (many deserved, many not)
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
goof was doing the duty of a /TG/ patriot by sabotaging other servers from within foreign administrations. In this way the paranoia of the paranoia riddled metal deathtrap masquerading as a spacestation ascends into the reality of TG administration. Soon we will all have bountiful employment on SS13 IRL. Well except for me I'm going to live a full life and retire then die of golf overdose.
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
I knew he was being sarcastic. To make the sarcastic remark, however, he had to come up with the correct understanding, which he then proceeded to mock. If he knows the truth, why does he mock it instead of stating it?
I'll tell you the same thing I told conrad:Vekter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:33 pmYes. It's actively using or sharing the information that's doxxing, not just finding it.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:51 pm He shared a profile owned by you, where you, of your own free will, published personal information. Unless I misunderstood something about the situation, you doxxed yourself.
If someone were to link someone else's YouTube channel, where the channel owner freely posts SS13 videos as well as personal information, would he have doxxed said person?
And I'll quote toemas while we're at it:
The investigation at the time itself even concluded there was no actual doxxing.
"We do not consider this a dox due to the nature of the account being shared, being that it was publically accessible and used in r/ss13"
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
does a leopard really change its spots or do the spots just change color or something prophetic like that. as a former toxic player (still toxic) sometimes the tendency to shit on others is too much to bear and i have to fuck with someone for fun for my own amusement. I suppose sometimes you have to have self-reflection on your actions to not continue on them but your nature is your nature. I don't think the appeal is genuine but thats just my opinion.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Please nobody find my other social media accounts. I've gone through a lot of efforts to conceal them.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
So are you upset over people calling it doxxing because you don't think it is, or are you upset that Jackrip got banned for doing something stupid?
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
I'm upset over people making wrong statements.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
The good ending, though he should've never been able to create the thread in the first place.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
why so full of spite and spice and everything nice
im gay (and also play the moth “bugger”)
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Turbonerd moment
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
Do you think Jackrip is gonna:
1. Evade
2. Quit playing
or
3. Wait another year, get a good-boy voucher from another server, right a very apologetic essay to MSO and everyone involved, and appeal for sympathy, hoping that time heals all wounds
I suspect 1 but 2 may also be in the cards
1. Evade
2. Quit playing
or
3. Wait another year, get a good-boy voucher from another server, right a very apologetic essay to MSO and everyone involved, and appeal for sympathy, hoping that time heals all wounds
I suspect 1 but 2 may also be in the cards
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<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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Re: Jackrip Self Represents Without an AI Lawyer
1. He's addicted so 2 is off the table, and the events here have shown that 3 has no chance of happening.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:48 pm Do you think Jackrip is gonna:
1. Evade
2. Quit playing
or
3. Wait another year, get a good-boy voucher from another server, right a very apologetic essay to MSO and everyone involved, and appeal for sympathy, hoping that time heals all wounds
I suspect 1 but 2 may also be in the cards
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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