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Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
It's hard to poke fun at something that's already the biggest joke imaginable.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:33 amSeriously I can't believe more people are making fun of this Mark Wahlberg-ass post lmaooranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:48 amThere's nothing to say on that because it's quite clear you won't change your mind and you're massively overstating your point, but whatever, it's not my place to make you happy with what happened and if you and the other two want to go on saying i'm out to rape and assault women that's on you and you can live with that. I still wont let you shit on maintainers on github for doing their job and I dont' care how much it makes you rage and sperg in players club.
I'm at peace with my fuck up.
maybe if you three were able to forgive yourselves to you wouldn't be so assmad.
again, i don't have access to the manuelcord, so I can't see things I can't see, I don't agree with everything mothblocks said if the screenshots you have are all the context, but I can see how they originally formed that opinion based on your original PR body, if I had known the specifics I might have contacted you directly to work on the issue, but it wasn't ultimately the beef between you and moth-blocks that made my mind on the 4 month delay so I don't think it would have changed the outcome.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:13 amI.. kinda showed the timeline of what happened, mothblocks was actively instigating things with me in the manuelcord the entire time. Anne eventually said to quit it where mothblocks refused to back down and kept saying I was lying to get the plushie removed, even after I posted my reasoning in the PR. It's all in my post.oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:00 amCMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:22 amSo you're just gonna ignore everything I said, huh? Even if we assume this is true (It's not), it doesn't actually answer anything I said. The only people who faced repercussions for their toxicity were the two who called you out, and not your maintainer who was hyper-toxic to someone making a genuine effort to improve the codebase.
incorrect, mothblocks was not hypertoxic to carsh, carsh had some horrible things to happen to them, not that anyone could of known, that does not exempt them from the requirement to put in their PR body an description of what they were removing and why.
then before we could resolve the miscommunication caused by them saying literally nothing, their PR was spoiled by crag and the rest of you.
Lets recap here
1) the people punished are those who couldnt' keep their foot out fo their mouths for the 30 seconds on a PR they had nothing to do with.
2) carsh wasn't punished, simply had to wait
3) mothblocks was right to ask them to give more reasoning than "everyone knows"
4) the only people who are responsible for the delay are crag and the rest of you
carsh might be genuine, but they did not follow process, they didn't make a good faith effort to follow up until I got involved and when I was discussing in coderbus how to move forward, including discussing with imaginos making a replacement plush instead, crag showed up to be a genuine shit head in the PR and I decided we didn't need that bullshit for doing the work and it would be easy to punt the issue for 4 months until everyone had calmed the fuck down.
And to clear up some final things
1) i cant' close source the code
2) mothblocks ninjanomnom and rohesie from TGMC all have equal ownership over the repos and org that I do
3) I have no ability to stop the maintainers from kicking me out
The closest thing I am to load bearing is that currently I renew the tgstation13.org domain, which I have also given san and bobbah the ability to do to ensure it's not linked to just one person, but I have not and will not ever use that as a bargaining chip, just like I have not and never will use my position as repo owner as a bargaining chip.
The only value I might possess is that i've been around for longer and worked with MSO for longer, which means we are better at resolving differences, but that is not something the codebase could not live with out.
My good man, I am not used to posting on forums, and I have nothing insightful to say, I merely wish to see this train crash for what it is.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
I'm sorry, but I didn't get the reference, nor do I know the meme, so you will have to forgive me on that, from where I am standing it just looked like crag was starting a fight.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:36 am Again, the series of events were that other than Crag making a shitpost reference back to Mothblocks in direct response and same-reference that Mothblocks was making, there wasn't any toxicity before you put the four month block on. So I'd like to know why you did that, too.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
There are a lot of posts to get to but i'm going as fast as I can.krookodilehunter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:39 am oranges have you even read carsh's posts or responded to him at all? anytime someone brings it up, you reply to something unrelated.
I'd highly recommend you read it sooner rather than later considering it's quite a bit more substantial than the average post in this thread.oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:40 amThere are a lot of posts to get to but i'm going as fast as I can.krookodilehunter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:39 am oranges have you even read carsh's posts or responded to him at all? anytime someone brings it up, you reply to something unrelated.
Mothblocks posted a character pointing a gun. I posted the same character getting his hand boiled. It's pretty self explanatory.oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:39 amI'm sorry, but I didn't get the reference, nor do I know the meme, so you will have to forgive me on that, from where I am standing it just looked like crag was starting a fight.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:36 am Again, the series of events were that other than Crag making a shitpost reference back to Mothblocks in direct response and same-reference that Mothblocks was making, there wasn't any toxicity before you put the four month block on. So I'd like to know why you did that, too.
That's probably because, as carsh themselves said, oranges is taking flak meant for mothblocks that wouldn't've happened if he didn't decide to peanut the PR lmaokrookodilehunter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:39 am oranges have you even read carsh's posts or responded to him at all? anytime someone brings it up, you reply to something unrelated.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
That's fair enough. I didn't get it either until I was talking to Crag about it afterwards.oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:39 amI'm sorry, but I didn't get the reference, nor do I know the meme, so you will have to forgive me on that, from where I am standing it just looked like crag was starting a fight.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:36 am Again, the series of events were that other than Crag making a shitpost reference back to Mothblocks in direct response and same-reference that Mothblocks was making, there wasn't any toxicity before you put the four month block on. So I'd like to know why you did that, too.
do you mean their first post? I did read it, it doesn't change anything about the situation, I can't punish mohtblocks unilaterally, other than making me feel that carsh did get a worse deal than I originally thought, but as I said, they were not banned and 4 months didn't seem like the end of the world.AsbestosSniffer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:41 amI'd highly recommend you read it sooner rather than later considering it's quite a bit more substantial than the average post in this thread.oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:40 amThere are a lot of posts to get to but i'm going as fast as I can.krookodilehunter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:39 am oranges have you even read carsh's posts or responded to him at all? anytime someone brings it up, you reply to something unrelated.
yeah and he said you should talk to me, which you didn't do, but if you had, then your friends would probably still be able to use the github and teh stupid fucking plushie would have been replaced with some other plush instead.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:38 am I asked mothblocks if we could remove pickle rick on the github 10 days prior to my PR.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72878
If you're going to parade the fault being shared among all equally, then you must also apply this to how you treated Carsh in the PR.
Wasn't your argument that moth blocks was unaware of any issues involving the sprite/plushie/rickandmorty? Is it really that hard to say "golly carsh, sorry we were assholes and fucked with you for fun."oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:49 amyeah and he said you should talk to me, which you didn't do, but if you had, then your friends would probably still be able to use the github and teh stupid fucking plushie would have been replaced with some other plush instead.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:38 am I asked mothblocks if we could remove pickle rick on the github 10 days prior to my PR.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72878
The thing is that they can be resolved if people are willing to talk it out, and i'm perfectly willing to talk, the only disappointing part is that it took ages for some people to get to the meat and potatoes of the argument because they're so insistent on making sure they own their mortal enemies first.
Did you know the writer of the pickle Rick episode is the showrunner of she hulk?AsbestosSniffer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:57 am All of this over a damn pickle/dead meme from years past.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
No, when I say they are unaware of the context I am referring to your personal brushes with issues of domestic assault and how that would affect your perception of someone asking you to put a reason on your PR.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:55 amWasn't your argument that moth blocks was unaware of any issues involving the sprite/plushie/rickandmorty? Is it really that hard to say "golly carsh, sorry we were assholes and fucked with you for fun."oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:49 amyeah and he said you should talk to me, which you didn't do, but if you had, then your friends would probably still be able to use the github and teh stupid fucking plushie would have been replaced with some other plush instead.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:38 am I asked mothblocks if we could remove pickle rick on the github 10 days prior to my PR.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72878
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
Nope, that post was all carsh written, no AI involved.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:54 amCarsh responded in turn with what I assume to be their own AI response but some parts of it seem too handcrafted to be AI. Perhaps their prompt was just extremely detailed. I don't know. Either way I just wanted the record to show they were mimicking you for your immature response. But their contents were pretty heavy.And finally, Carsh just gives up. You then vaguely say that "the negativity that people are directing unfairly towards other maintainers here" Of which beforehand, there was only Crag saying "mothblocks i will dip your hand in boiling spaghetti sauce", and your message clearly suggested that there was more than one person involved after Carsh directed a complaint directly towards Mothblocks' behavior.► Show Spoiler► Show Spoiler
This is a non-apology. This the equivalent of me calling somebody a racial slur and when they report me to the admins about it i say "sorry he got so offended about it i didn't realize he would get butthurt."oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:00 amNo, when I say they are unaware of the context I am referring to your personal brushes with issues of domestic assault and how that would affect your perception of someone asking you to put a reason on your PR.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:55 amWasn't your argument that moth blocks was unaware of any issues involving the sprite/plushie/rickandmorty? Is it really that hard to say "golly carsh, sorry we were assholes and fucked with you for fun."oranges wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:49 amyeah and he said you should talk to me, which you didn't do, but if you had, then your friends would probably still be able to use the github and teh stupid fucking plushie would have been replaced with some other plush instead.carshalash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:38 am I asked mothblocks if we could remove pickle rick on the github 10 days prior to my PR.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72878
If you want an apology i'm happy to say im sorry that this has happened the way it did, I did not have the full context, if I had known, it's possible I would have selected another alternative to making you wait 4 months and I really wish you would have shared any of these things before now.
can we add lean back at this point since it's no longer fotm?
Y'know.We discussed you being banned from the Discord. It was broadly agreed that anyone else with your history should have been permanently banned. That is the reality of how serious your conduct was, regardless of how lenient I was.
Your ban wasn't lenient because you did something small. It was lenient because of the practical realities of the tgstation project, server and codebase all sharing the same space. At the time you were the only genuinely active headcoder.
are you even in the discord? ninja is typically dormant/inactive (but they show up when pinged, which is fine) and mothblocks is only contactable through coderbus (and maybe manuel-cord idk), although they do check the GitHub quite often, which is also fine. oranges is the only one who is commonly in and out.
i mean a lot of this is repeating/re-mentioning stuff that already happened on the github (another channel)
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
I-I'm just trying to figure out why you would do this. Why anyone would do this.
The reason anyone would do this is, if they could, which they can't, would be because they could, which they can't.
Would you say you consider Oranges to be a "load-bearing asshole"?
To think this is how we started and we got this far into a chaotic thread full of uncivilized hate... The discussion has not been stifled, lol.Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:37 amif I intervened before everything blows out of control you'd be claiming I stifle discussion.
People can have a little verbal conflict as a treat, keyword being little.
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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