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There's cops IRL who either don't know or choose to ignore that rubber bullets can kill so I think there is a degree of ignorance concerning them. I think this makes it easier to ding sec officers for misbehaving so they can't play ignorant when printing ammo.
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:26 pm
There's cops IRL who either don't know or choose to ignore that rubber bullets can kill so I think there is a degree of ignorance concerning them. I think this makes it easier to ding sec officers for misbehaving so they can't play ignorant when printing ammo.
It's worth noting that the "rubber bullets" we talk about in an IRL sense are massive 40mm chunks of rubber-coated metal that are designed to be fired into the legs or stomach of protestors. Cops are fucking stupid and fire them at peoples' heads, hence why they end up blinded or dead.
That being said, Fiocchi does make 12ga rubber buckshot rounds which are more similar to the ones in-game. Those are a lot less lethal unless they're intentionally shot at the head.
I like this idea because there's not really a good way to judge just how much damage these things do without actually hitting something with them. The shells themselves have combat information on them, but it's kind of misleading and this is a better, faster way to just go "Okay, maybe I use this instead of the other".
I think the more elegant way of doing it is to include the lethality of it in the examine for the item, but this isn't a bad thing. Clarity to players is never a bad thing, and I think Sinful's just REEEEing about hugbox at this point.
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:26 pm
There's cops IRL who either don't know or choose to ignore that rubber bullets can kill so I think there is a degree of ignorance concerning them. I think this makes it easier to ding sec officers for misbehaving so they can't play ignorant when printing ammo.
It's worth noting that the "rubber bullets" we talk about in an IRL sense are massive 40mm chunks of rubber-coated metal that are designed to be fired into the legs or stomach of protestors. Cops are fucking stupid and fire them at peoples' heads, hence why they end up blinded or dead.
That being said, Fiocchi does make 12ga rubber buckshot rounds which are more similar to the ones in-game. Those are a lot less lethal unless they're intentionally shot at the head.
I like this idea because there's not really a good way to judge just how much damage these things do without actually hitting something with them. The shells themselves have combat information on them, but it's kind of misleading and this is a better, faster way to just go "Okay, maybe I use this instead of the other".
I think the more elegant way of doing it is to include the lethality of it in the examine for the item, but this isn't a bad thing. Clarity to players is never a bad thing, and I think Sinful's just REEEEing about hugbox at this point.
I'm sure there's 40mm rubber rounds but they definitely make them in smaller caliber too. Even with the smaller caliber you're supposed to hit people via ricochet rather than direct fire, from the small amount of research I've done.
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:23 pm
I'm sure there's 40mm rubber rounds but they definitely make them in smaller caliber too. Even with the smaller caliber you're supposed to hit people via ricochet rather than direct fire, from the small amount of research I've done.
Ricochet, right. I knew "aim at the legs and body" didn't make sense when I wrote it but I couldn't remember.
They probably do have smaller than 40mm, but the popular riot control ones are that size because that's also the size of tear gas canisters.
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:23 pm
I'm sure there's 40mm rubber rounds but they definitely make them in smaller caliber too. Even with the smaller caliber you're supposed to hit people via ricochet rather than direct fire, from the small amount of research I've done.
Ricochet, right. I knew "aim at the legs and body" didn't make sense when I wrote it but I couldn't remember.
They probably do have smaller than 40mm, but the popular riot control ones are that size because that's also the size of tear gas canisters.
Well I know someone who took a rubber bullet to the head and if it was a 40mm he'd probably be dead, instead he got some degree of brain damage.
having "Lethal/Highly Destructive" on a FLAMETHROWER is really fucking stupid. if rubber bullets do a little bit of damage that puts someone into crit then that's an IC issue and therefore funny
Does this open the door for "more-than-lethal" rounds now? Like uranium shells that irradiate their targets? Or meteorshot rounds that gib at point blank?
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:26 pm
There's cops IRL who either don't know or choose to ignore that rubber bullets can kill so I think there is a degree of ignorance concerning them. I think this makes it easier to ding sec officers for misbehaving so they can't play ignorant when printing ammo.
That being said, Fiocchi does make 12ga rubber buckshot rounds which are more similar to the ones in-game. Those are a lot less lethal unless they're intentionally shot at the head.
A bunch of other companies do, like Lightfield, and their primary use is actually as a secondary ammunition to protect yourself from and scare off large game (though they slapped a LAW ENFORCEMENT on the box to sell it to cops).The slugs will kill you, but the rubber buckshot really won't, until you reach point-blank range where they'll probablt stick into you pretty good.
massa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:02 am
rubber specifically denotes nonlethal intention and capacity
stupid not reading any more (:
the "less than lethal" verbiage is real life legalese because of how ballistic objects and meat interact. we don't need to do that.
It kind of makes sense in a Nanotrasen way, though? They'd want to label it to prevent any lawsuits, not because they give a shit if anyone actually gets hurt.
massa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:02 am
rubber specifically denotes nonlethal intention and capacity
stupid not reading any more (:
the "less than lethal" verbiage is real life legalese because of how ballistic objects and meat interact. we don't need to do that.
It kind of makes sense in a Nanotrasen way, though? They'd want to label it to prevent any lawsuits, not because they give a shit if anyone actually gets hurt.
dude they have corporate death squads and a nuke on board
massa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:02 am
rubber specifically denotes nonlethal intention and capacity
stupid not reading any more (:
the "less than lethal" verbiage is real life legalese because of how ballistic objects and meat interact. we don't need to do that.
It kind of makes sense in a Nanotrasen way, though? They'd want to label it to prevent any lawsuits, not because they give a shit if anyone actually gets hurt.
dude they have corporate death squads and a nuke on board
The corporate-mandated nuke, in which the crew must get permission from their corporate-mandated overlords to use, as per consent of the higher-ups and the owner of the station itself, the Captain, and in which the Captain/Disk-bearer themselves must manually arm, indicating consent from both parties, not only Central Command, to nuke what is ultimately Central Command's rental station (permanent, as long as they abide by the station rules) to the Captain. It's like a contract to allow the Captain to eradicate any on-station threats, the crew, and themselves, only after Central Command has the legal confirmation from the Captain in a form of two-factor authentication (disk and command console).
Centcom has legal termination policies for the employees aboard the station, but... quite literal. At least, I think it's legal if you consent to nuclear annihilation.
massa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:54 am
dude they have corporate death squads
canonically nobody knows about them
massa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:54 am
and a nuke on board
for a secret, corporate research station, tasked with researching valuable things that only appear in that sector of space and nowhere else in the galaxy, a self destruct feature on the space station really isn't even all that out there as a concept.
AlamoTurtle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:02 am
The corporate-mandated nuke, in which the crew must get permission from their corporate-mandated overlords to use, as per consent of the higher-ups and the owner of the station itself, the Captain, and in which the Captain/Disk-bearer themselves must manually arm, indicating consent from both parties, not only Central Command, to nuke what is ultimately Central Command's rental station (permanent, as long as they abide by the station rules) to the Captain. It's like a contract to allow the Captain to eradicate any on-station threats, the crew, and themselves, only after Central Command has the legal confirmation from the Captain in a form of two-factor authentication (disk and command console).
Centcom has legal termination policies for the employees aboard the station, but... quite literal. At least, I think it's legal if you consent to nuclear annihilation.
Not to mention all the paperwork that happens at CentCom! The duty intern has to sign the communication directive, sending the paperwork to the legal team (if it's night time this can instead be signed by the local director of personnel). The legal team will notify the deputy regional commander who will need to verify with the duty intern that the legal team's directive matches that of the received communiqué. They'll then pass the authorisation codes to the Vice-Admiral who has the ultimate authority over the sector. The Vice-Admiral must then also verify the codes with at least two (2) of: The regional Rear-Admirals, Nanotrasen high-command or a super-majority (2/3) of the spinwards sector council. Having got this authority, verifyign the various documents and submitting them the Vice-Admiral can finally send the codes
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm
I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm
At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm
I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
Chadley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:00 am
WENDEZ, cute, cute. I imagine the sleeper activation code when I hear it. That's pretty cool. qB). But I don't like that it doesn't line up to be anything obsurd like WEWLAD. 6/10
SUGMA, nevermind it makes sense now. fuckyou/10
kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:34 pm
If it goes to appeals I will stand as the shield and protect this man's right to shit himself. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm
I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
massa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:54 am
dude they have corporate death squads
canonically nobody knows about them
Good does this mean you'll merge my PR changing the deathsquad recruitment poster
(TGMC recruitment poster as replacement????)
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Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm
I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm
At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm
I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
Chadley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:00 am
WENDEZ, cute, cute. I imagine the sleeper activation code when I hear it. That's pretty cool. qB). But I don't like that it doesn't line up to be anything obsurd like WEWLAD. 6/10
SUGMA, nevermind it makes sense now. fuckyou/10
kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:34 pm
If it goes to appeals I will stand as the shield and protect this man's right to shit himself. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm
I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:46 pm
guys stop roleplaying this thread was created to get mad at coders
Captain Jones put one finger to his radio headset, tuned to the security channel."Security, report." "Cap, we have the prisoner in custody. He's been rambling non-stop about some nonsense."The gruff voice of the Head of Security crackled in response through the speaker. "What kind of nonsense?"Jones asked. "Something about coders and balance changes. He says they're ruining the game and he wants to talk to them. He also keeps asking for a revert." Jones frowned. He had heard of space madness before, but this was a new level of delusion."Sounds like he's lost his grip on reality. Keep him isolated and sedated until we can send him to Central Command. Maybe they can figure out what's wrong with him." "Aye, cap. Will do." the HoS confirmed. Jones let his hand drop, and shook his head. He wondered what had driven the prisoner to lock themselves inside the armory and threaten to vent it into space. He hoped it was not contagious.
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Drag wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm
We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm
If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm
Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm
I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm
I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am
borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm
basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
Scriptis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:56 am
why is shotgun dart listed as lethal. it's one pellet and does 4% of the damage of rubbershot at point-blank
also rubbershot does 66 brute at point-blank. that's not "less lethal" fuck off
the shotgun dart's intention is to be filled with (usually lethal) chems
also doesnt rubbershot do around 18 damage? 3 damage per pellet with 6 pellets. unless point blank is a massive multiplier
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:46 pm
guys stop roleplaying this thread was created to get mad at coders
Captain Jones put one finger to his radio headset, tuned to the security channel."Security, report." "Cap, we have the prisoner in custody. He's been rambling non-stop about some nonsense."The gruff voice of the Head of Security crackled in response through the speaker. "What kind of nonsense?"Jones asked. "Something about coders and balance changes. He says they're ruining the game and he wants to talk to them. He also keeps asking for a revert." Jones frowned. He had heard of space madness before, but this was a new level of delusion."Sounds like he's lost his grip on reality. Keep him isolated and sedated until we can send him to Central Command. Maybe they can figure out what's wrong with him." "Aye, cap. Will do." the HoS confirmed. Jones let his hand drop, and shook his head. He wondered what had driven the prisoner to lock themselves inside the armory and threaten to vent it into space. He hoped it was not contagious.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm
I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm
At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm
I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
Chadley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:00 am
WENDEZ, cute, cute. I imagine the sleeper activation code when I hear it. That's pretty cool. qB). But I don't like that it doesn't line up to be anything obsurd like WEWLAD. 6/10
SUGMA, nevermind it makes sense now. fuckyou/10
kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:34 pm
If it goes to appeals I will stand as the shield and protect this man's right to shit himself. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm
I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
Fikou wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:18 pm
the shotgun dart's intention is to be filled with (usually lethal) chems
also doesnt rubbershot do around 18 damage? 3 damage per pellet with 6 pellets. unless point blank is a massive multiplier