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Re: Henry Revealed To Be The Mastermind Behind Reider's Insanity Peanut
What if some rounds you just don't get your desired items and you deal with it by obtaining another elsewhere?
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What the hell? I launched the wrong game! This isn't AMONGUS
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JusticeGoat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:00 pm What if some rounds you just don't get your desired items and you deal with it by obtaining another elsewhere?
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be The Mastermind Behind Reider's Insanity Peanut
If a toddler was capable of crushing someone in an airlock in retaliation for taking a thing they wanted then they would do it, not sure how many years you need to add before that ceases to be what I expect from someone but it's not many.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
I dont know this Henry guy might be collaborating with Clara, worth keeping an eye on.
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If I say all the things I want to say about Reider I'll get put on fnr post approval but
I have to say
We always love the rare peanuts where nobody shows up to defend the appellant.
I have to say
We always love the rare peanuts where nobody shows up to defend the appellant.
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headmin reviewPandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:28 pm If I say all the things I want to say about Reider I'll get put on fnr post approval but
I have to say
We always love the rare peanuts where nobody shows up to defend the appellant.
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Silicon main, enough said
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
So we're banning assistants for fighting with other assistants now?
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
ill be making an admin complaint, thanks for this
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT CANT READ
"methinks a line has to be drawn in the sand when everyone's playing the "how-close-can-i-get-to-making-a-low-effort-post-chain" that gets people warned eventually pretty much every time and post announcement + merging into rules post + previous warning one should know better than to leave their post devoid of content in a manner that seems incredibly easy to start a low effort post chain from"
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
I can't even fucking read it, Kendrick.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
Headmi—Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:50 pmIM NOT GOOD AT THESE THINGS, OKAY
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
wouldn't "you didn't do it because of that." from vekter in the ticket be what Reider was saying "no but that makes them valid to be crushed" to?
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
getting firelocked a single time for a squabble over an item you both want is an IC issue
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
understandable. pretty IC but its so close to the line that someone with reiders history doing it can be a no no for the admins. I hope to see him back as sec
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
I missed you, never leave me again kenddyKendrickorium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:49 pm
ill be making an admin complaint, thanks for this
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT CANT READ
"methinks a line has to be drawn in the sand when everyone's playing the "how-close-can-i-get-to-making-a-low-effort-post-chain" that gets people warned eventually pretty much every time and post announcement + merging into rules post + previous warning one should know better than to leave their post devoid of content in a manner that seems incredibly easy to start a low effort post chain from"
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To be fair, I was asleep.Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:28 pm I have to say
We always love the rare peanuts where nobody shows up to defend the appellant.
This is a massive IC issue, even considering Reider's previous history.
Why was this even put on Vekter's table?
Did Vekter see it and go "oh, that's bullshit"?
Did the giant fucking baby that got firelock crushed once for valid reasons ahelp it?
Reider's note history is because he had a pattern of randomly firelock crushing people, not because he firelock crushed people as a preventative measure or because they were going to beat him to something they were both going after. Jesus christ. He's literally being punished for following the recommendation in that note.
I don't even like Reider. I think he's an asshole. But this is an absurd ban.[2023-02-18 02:46:04 | note by rageguy505]
Stunned and wordlessly firelock crushed someone for no reason as a non-antag and gave them a stack sutures after. Have atleast a IC reason before assaulting people.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
firelocking people over "he took THE ROUNDSTART belt!!!" is degenerate gameplay and that's all i need to agree with itdatorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:45 pmTo be fair, I was asleep.Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:28 pm I have to say
We always love the rare peanuts where nobody shows up to defend the appellant.
This is a massive IC issue, even considering Reider's previous history.
Why was this even put on Vekter's table?
Did Vekter see it and go "oh, that's bullshit"?
Did the giant fucking baby that got firelock crushed once for valid reasons ahelp it?
Reider's note history is because he had a pattern of randomly firelock crushing people, not because he firelock crushed people as a preventative measure or because they were going to beat him to something they were both going after. Jesus christ. He's literally being punished for following the recommendation in that note.I don't even like Reider. I think he's an asshole. But this is an absurd ban.[2023-02-18 02:46:04 | note by rageguy505]
Stunned and wordlessly firelock crushed someone for no reason as a non-antag and gave them a stack sutures after. Have atleast a IC reason before assaulting people.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
Roundstart tech storage fighting is NRP cringe. Treat the round as if it hasn't just started and play normally, not that hard. They're both cringe shits.
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Ratio.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:45 pmTo be fair, I was asleep.Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:28 pm I have to say
We always love the rare peanuts where nobody shows up to defend the appellant.
This is a massive IC issue, even considering Reider's previous history.
Why was this even put on Vekter's table?
Did Vekter see it and go "oh, that's bullshit"?
Did the giant fucking baby that got firelock crushed once for valid reasons ahelp it?
Reider's note history is because he had a pattern of randomly firelock crushing people, not because he firelock crushed people as a preventative measure or because they were going to beat him to something they were both going after. Jesus christ. He's literally being punished for following the recommendation in that note.I don't even like Reider. I think he's an asshole. But this is an absurd ban.[2023-02-18 02:46:04 | note by rageguy505]
Stunned and wordlessly firelock crushed someone for no reason as a non-antag and gave them a stack sutures after. Have atleast a IC reason before assaulting people.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
What is 'degenerate gameplay' even supposed to mean?
Regardless, what sort of world do we live in where 15 brute damage that doesn't kill someone and is in some way justified is grounds for any sort of administrative action?
I just don't see where this crosses any lines whatsoever.
Are we fulpstation now? Do we really want to cultivate an environment where players are scared to punch each other in the face as part of roleplay(something I have done and will continue to do) because an admin could see it and ban them?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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I would like to culture an environment where it's not considered to be a reasonable action to slam someone's body into a fucking door because they took something you wanted.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:00 pmWhat is 'degenerate gameplay' even supposed to mean?
Regardless, what sort of world do we live in where 15 brute damage that doesn't kill someone and is in some way justified is grounds for any sort of administrative action?
I just don't see where this crosses any lines whatsoever.
Are we fulpstation now? Do we really want to cultivate an environment where players are scared to punch each other in the face as part of roleplay(something I have done and will continue to do) because an admin could see it and ban them?
People resort to violence way too fucking easily in this game. Hell, people run around shoving each other into the walls for fun. I'm not ever going to argue that LRP needs to be the same as MRP or that the servers should be anything like Fulp, but no, I don't think people being able to wordlessly beat the piss out of each other for a pair of gloves is "peak gameplay" nor is it something we should be encouraging.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
I don't particularly view this as an issue, however I don't like the attitude!
I wish people were more honest with this stuff, he obviously did it for the belt or gloves or w/e and trying to find bs reasons to justify it is cringe, I think he would have gotten a better response if from the get go he was 100% truthful.
However, the history kinda makes this iffy, with a history like and a note for a random crush not that long ago makes me kinda iffy.
No idea on what I'll rule on as despite me not viewing this as an issue he does have a history & tried to make an excuse (which I don't entirely believe.)
I wish people were more honest with this stuff, he obviously did it for the belt or gloves or w/e and trying to find bs reasons to justify it is cringe, I think he would have gotten a better response if from the get go he was 100% truthful.
However, the history kinda makes this iffy, with a history like and a note for a random crush not that long ago makes me kinda iffy.
No idea on what I'll rule on as despite me not viewing this as an issue he does have a history & tried to make an excuse (which I don't entirely believe.)
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
It's a bold strategy calling the guy posting logs a nerd. Surely this will increase the appellates intangible rapport with the admins and it could give him that edge to push him over the finish line into a successful appeal.
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Maskenary is not here to make friends.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:23 pm It's a bold strategy calling the guy posting logs a nerd. Surely this will increase the appellates intangible rapport with the admins and it could give him that edge to push him over the finish line into a successful appeal.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
I disagree.
You will do more damage stunning someone with rubbershot than you will firelock crushing them once. Imagine taking a little brute damage in a scuffle. Imagine.
The escalation rules say "As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job"
Reider had a reason (getting the gloves before henry) and did not excessively interfere with henry's round.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
It's not just because they took something he wanted- they were going to take something else he wanted, and he wanted to beat them to it. A firelock crush comes with a decently long stun. It was his best and only option for remaining in the running for that pair of funny yellow gloves. You did provide a number of alternatives in the appeal, which I'll address briefly in a spoiler:
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A few points, here:People resort to violence way too fucking easily in this game. Hell, people run around shoving each other into the walls for fun. I'm not ever going to argue that LRP needs to be the same as MRP or that the servers should be anything like Fulp, but no, I don't think people being able to wordlessly beat the piss out of each other for a pair of gloves is "peak gameplay" nor is it something we should be encouraging.
He didn't beat the piss out of the guy. He did a whopping fifteen brute damage. That's not even enough to disable a limb. If he had put him into crit, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You are consistently exaggerating how much damage he actually dealt here.
I don't think it's peak gameplay either, but the roundstart competition for the gloves sure enables it for whoever wins. For assistants, those gloves can make or break a round. They're part of baseline access to the sandbox.
I also don't think it's something we should be actively discouraging either. Players should be allowed to play a more aggressive character. Someone who's quick to jump into a fight. Before you go off quoting the rules at me, I'm not saying people should be allowed to be insane and just murder other people for gloves. Some minor brute damage? That should be on the table.
Lastly, I'd really like you to address this question from me, if nothing else:
Why were you even involved in the first place? I don't understand. It's a very clear IC issue with little to no coverage in the rules, to me.Why was this even put on Vekter's table?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
reider consistently and constantly baits people into escalating with him. i've seen him firelock crush people in every round he's in (if he's not an antag)
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
If everyone was playing like the person in question, would everyone leave for more enjoyable servers?datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:00 pm What is 'degenerate gameplay' even supposed to mean?
Do they increase the fun of the round, or are they a fun leeching parasite for their own enjoyment?
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
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Here’s the issue with handling this stuff administratively:Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:56 pmIf everyone was playing like the person in question, would everyone leave for more enjoyable servers?datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:00 pm What is 'degenerate gameplay' even supposed to mean?
Do they increase the fun of the round, or are they a fun leeching parasite for their own enjoyment?
It means minor crimes confirm the person to be an antagonist.
If people receive notes and bans for the simple theft of someone’s insuls or a toolbelt, it relegates these crimes to antagonists, and on LRP servers where antag = valid, you start to have real issues.
I played Fulp for a while where hacking to departments was bwoinkable, because in their view, it made the round worse for a bunch of shitters to be hacking wherever they wanted to go. The downside of course is that hacking into a department told sec instantly you were either A) about to be bwoinked, or B) an antag.
Very harmless tiding like this is a net benefit to the servers, because it serves as a baseline chaos that gives antags breathing room.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
The appropriate response to "someone might take something before I can" is not "crush them with a firelock so I can get to it first", it's "GO GET ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE ELSE".SkeletalElite wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:43 pm Reider had a reason (getting the gloves before henry)
You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. The issue is that:
1) Reider's reason for attacking the other player was stupid, and
2) Reider has done this far, far more times than is really reasonable.
I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect people to act like adults when we have an 18+ rule. If someone might get something you want before you, try to get it first. If you don't, oh fucking well. Maybe you don't get that item for the round. Insulated gloves aren't mandatory to your enjoyment of the game. Maybe you go somewhere else to get them, as I suggested in the appeal.
E: The forums didn't tell me Sinful posted before I did because they are bad.
You're right in moderation. The issue comes when it becomes the general norm of the server for people to do shit like this. I banned Reider because it's a constant issue with him. You should be allowed to greytide a little as a treat, but if you make it your entire personality, you are going to get your shit kicked in.Very harmless tiding like this is a net benefit to the servers, because it serves as a baseline chaos that gives antags breathing room.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
What I wouldn't give to see Reider's note history.
I bet it reads like an essay.
I bet it reads like an essay.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
Complaining about NRP assistants... on Terry...
it's hard to believe you actually play on Terry with opinions like this.
All a history can do is amplify an issue, and make the punishment for reoccurring offences harsher. Having a history does not make a something that is not an issue into an issue.
Irrelevant. He was an assistant. If we applied the standard for assistants to every job, of course the server would go to shit.
Assistants' primary function is to do minor grief and be sec content, change my mind.
Vekter denying an appeal? Who could've seen this coming?
You're not here to educate Reider on how to be polite, but to enforce rules. Point to the rule he actually broke.
His reason was valid per escalation policy as others have explained, and having done valid actions in the past is irrelevant.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:14 pm I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect people to act like adults when we have an 18+ rule. If someone might get something you want before you, try to get it first. If you don't, oh fucking well. Maybe you don't get that item for the round. Insulated gloves aren't mandatory to your enjoyment of the game. Maybe you go somewhere else to get them, as I suggested in the appeal.
The player acting like an adult (OOC) is not the same as the character acting like an adult.
Assistants like Reider make for sec content and create the potential for interesting interactions.Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:14 pmYou're right in moderation. The issue comes when it becomes the general norm of the server for people to do shit like this. I banned Reider because it's a constant issue with him. You should be allowed to greytide a little as a treat, but if you make it your entire personality, you are going to get your shit kicked in.Very harmless tiding like this is a net benefit to the servers, because it serves as a baseline chaos that gives antags breathing room.
The admin's job is not to be untouchable security. As the representative of the Security Officers' Union, I have to say: stop taking our jobs!
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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I genuinely don't have to answer this question and, given the attitude of the few people in this thread who disagree with me, answering it does nothing but put me in a worse place. Either "Someone adminhelped", which puts pressure on the person who was involved and makes them much less likely to adminhelp in the future, or "I did it of my own volition", which (in your eyes) makes me look like an asshole.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:46 pm Lastly, I'd really like you to address this question from me, if nothing else:Why were you even involved in the first place? I don't understand. It's a very clear IC issue with little to no coverage in the rules, to me.Why was this even put on Vekter's table?
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The appeal has been adequately reviewed.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
Based, now review my essay.
I am requesting Poes' review.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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I think that the crew getting violent with each other over petty matters is a *good* thing, especially in cases like this where there's clearly no intent to continue harming someone... I dont like the idea that the only reason you ever cause damage to someone is that you want to crit/kill them. Death matches over stupid stuff sucks, but removing low-level violence like punching someone because they're taking all the good tools you wanted makes me sad. `
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Again, it's worth noting that this is a problem of sheer volume. I don't agree that you should constantly come to blows over extremely petty things, but the rules don't agree with me in general. It's allowed, as long as it's not a constant issue.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:36 pm I think that the crew getting violent with each other over petty matters is a *good* thing, especially in cases like this where there's clearly no intent to continue harming someone... I dont like the idea that the only reason you ever cause damage to someone is that you want to crit/kill them. Death matches over stupid stuff sucks, but removing low-level violence like punching someone because they're taking all the good tools you wanted makes me sad. `
Reider has been a constant issue for months now.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
If you acknowledge your ban was not in accordance with the rules, why did you reject the appeal?
P.S. I responded to your old post in my long one - I was still editing when you made a new post, not sure whether you saw it or not - check if there's anything you want to reply to.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
Hypothetically right if Reider "just went to go somewhere else for the gloves" but this played out just as it did before would he still be getting banned here?
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I have you blocked, which is why I haven't been responding to your posts, but I feel like this one is safe since it's a pretty reasonable question.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:41 pmIf you acknowledge your ban was not in accordance with the rules, why did you reject the appeal?
P.S. I responded to your old post in my long one - I was still editing when you made a new post, not sure whether you saw it or not - check if there's anything you want to reply to.
My actions are well within the rules. 5-6 other admins agreed with me (with no dissenting opinion) at the time of the incident.
My opinion in regards to the rules are that we're often too lenient on greytiding on both servers (moreso on Manuel) and that we should be addressing these issues early on with players before it becomes as bad as it has with Reider. A talk with him when he'd played 50-100 hours could've resulted in a lot less headache. Mind you, that doesn't mean that I think we should be banning people for only a few offenses early on in their time here. I'm speaking more from a guiding standpoint than a punitive one.
Where you're getting confused is in the belief that my opinion has anything to do with how I enforce the rules. I'm allowed to not agree with how the server is run. Ask MSO, it's been a constant thing between us for months now. It's also why I post so much in Policy Discussion. But I'm also mature enough to know that, even if I don't agree with every little rule we have, I still have to enforce them if I'm going to be an admin.
tl;dr I didn't ban him because of my opinion, I banned him because he broke the rules.
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
A fair point to make. I have a couple of counterpoints, even if they're unlikely to change anything about your stance.Vekter wrote:I genuinely don't have to answer this question and, given the attitude of the few people in this thread who disagree with me, answering it does nothing but put me in a worse place. Either "Someone adminhelped", which puts pressure on the person who was involved and makes them much less likely to adminhelp in the future, or "I did it of my own volition", which (in your eyes) makes me look like an asshole.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:46 pm Lastly, I'd really like you to address this question from me, if nothing else:Why were you even involved in the first place? I don't understand. It's a very clear IC issue with little to no coverage in the rules, to me.Why was this even put on Vekter's table?
Making someone adminhelp less about things that are clear IC issues is a net benefit, as it wastes less peoples' time.
You already look like an asshole in my eyes for acting on something that (in my opinion, admittedly) wasn't actionable.
I've cooled down a bit by now. I'm just concerned, because I usually just assume that an admin got involved because of an ahelp. The way it looks is that a player decided to get the pettiest revenge possible for someone else getting to the gloves before them, by remembering that Reider had a very public ban about firelock crushing a little while back and ahelping it to get him banned again.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
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Re: Henry Revealed To Be Mastermind Behind Reiders Insanity Peanut
Am not going to care about 15 brute damage even with reiders history. He had a reason for it and if the player wants he can escalation against him.
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