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I was talking with Kendrickorium about it because I thought I had a funny idea. But now we're both conflicted. Help us decide.For context.
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I was talking with Kendrickorium about it because I thought I had a funny idea. But now we're both conflicted. Help us decide.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
That's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
Tell that to me when I latejoin as a sec officer and all the lockers are emptied because the fuckin captain detective and HoP all want their secHUDsekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:19 pmThat's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
Its a comparison. The same justification for taking sec huds can be used for null rods, I am sure there are better items to compare if this one flew by.ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:19 pmThat's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
Been there. Take their regular sunglasses, order the AI to research sec huds (if they haven't yet been researched), print a standalone sec hud and craft sec hud sunglasses.BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:21 pmTell that to me when I latejoin as a sec officer and all the lockers are emptied because the fuckin captain detective and HoP all want their secHUDsekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:19 pmThat's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
Yes.
It didn't "fly by", it was refuted by me.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:36 pm Its a comparison. The same justification for taking sec huds can be used for null rods, I am sure there are better items to compare if this one flew by.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
fr? didnt know that. thats p cool
No, it’s not.ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:19 pmThat's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
*bwoink*Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:35 am imagine if you didnt fucking care, and gave people whatever access they wanted, thus enabling CRAZY WACKY SITUATIONS?????? SCENARIOS???? ANTAGS DOING THINGS??? ASSISTANTS DOING GIMMICKS???????????
IMAGINE?????
PWRGMING is when you start rounding up assistants roundstart and mindshielding them before there's a single "Viva!" over the radio.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pm This is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
The problem with forming your perspective of the server based exclusively on bored tider mains who spend their rounds breaking shit while waiting for an antag roll is that anything that doesn't enable their sort of "gameplay", like changing access and replacing id cards as HoP, doesn't matter.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:03 pm How about not trying to optimize your gameplay in a way that eliminates all fun and risk in exchange for your own personal enjoyment
stop playing on manuelZybwivcz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:09 am*bwoink*Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:35 am imagine if you didnt fucking care, and gave people whatever access they wanted, thus enabling CRAZY WACKY SITUATIONS?????? SCENARIOS???? ANTAGS DOING THINGS??? ASSISTANTS DOING GIMMICKS???????????
IMAGINE?????
"I noticed you gave atmos access to the assistant who used it to build single tanks despite him being wanted, heads are held to a Higher Standard Of Play"
Besides, giving out dangerous access to random people roundstart in ways that fuck over the rest of the station is the captain's job.
And tiders usually don't use the HoP because when they want access to an area they just break in, or steal someone else's id.
damn looks like it's roast night at the inventory am i right guys
Completely disagree with this outlook. While ss13 is a more social focused video game, it's still just a video game. You don't need to be a social person to roleplay. You don't need to interact with the ss13 community to enjoy the game. You don't need to make friends or hang out with people. It's a video game. People will take what they want from it and you can't fault them for that.Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:06 am that when you've been here for more than two years it's a really fucking bad sign that nobody knows anything about you, and when they do it's only because of shit like this? this isn't cs:go matchmaking. this isn't some halo 3 lobby. these are the same people hanging out in a place they like every day and you're supposed to talk to them and hang out
while tg is on ss13, tg is not ss13. tg is a community. it's a bunch of people who like the same thing getting together to have fun. you don't get to "just play the game." when you turn up on the servers here you are opting in to interact with our community. that's how it works. that's how it's always worked for any small game community, and we are a small game community.Mice World wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:46 am Completely disagree with this outlook. While ss13 is a more social focused video game, it's still just a video game. You don't need to be a social person to roleplay. You don't need to interact with the ss13 community to enjoy the game. You don't need to make friends or hang out with people. It's a video game. People will take what they want from it and you can't fault them for that.
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
The difference between a TF2 community server and TG is the sheer time investment required. If you're going to be here for 200+ hours (which is going to happen if you have any real interest in what we host), you should be involved in the community in some capacity, even if that capacity is as small as "people recognize me in game and greet me now" or "this guy taught me how to do ordnance, that's pretty cool."Mice World wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:29 am This is just my personal view but by playing you're not really interacting with the community (You are at a surface level, because you're playing with them. But I don't consider that to be "community interaction"). I don't really see a round on tg being much different than a match on a tf2 community server.
While you're definitely more likely to end up fully interacting with the community because of its size, it's not automatic. Communities come from similar people enjoying a topic, the topic itself doesn't become the community.
There are no friends on the internet, dude.Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:13 amThe difference between a TF2 community server and TG is the sheer time investment required. If you're going to be here for 200+ hours (which is going to happen if you have any real interest in what we host), you should be involved in the community in some capacity, even if that capacity is as small as "people recognize me in game and greet me now" or "this guy taught me how to do ordnance, that's pretty cool."Mice World wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:29 am This is just my personal view but by playing you're not really interacting with the community (You are at a surface level, because you're playing with them. But I don't consider that to be "community interaction"). I don't really see a round on tg being much different than a match on a tf2 community server.
While you're definitely more likely to end up fully interacting with the community because of its size, it's not automatic. Communities come from similar people enjoying a topic, the topic itself doesn't become the community.
It's a weird place on the spectrum of "required community engagement to be fun." I was an admin for a very technically-oriented Garry's Mod server for a very, very long time. Community was functionally all that mattered there. TG falls a bit short of that, but the time investment is still there, and I firmly believe that by virtue of being a real, living, breathing human being you must end up becoming more involved in the community if you have a strong interest in the game.
Why?
It's 'cuz you're human. You're a social animal, dummy. You're really going to learn to play an atmospherics simulator without asking questions--without making social connections? Not gonna happen. You don't get to just pick pyro and W+M1. You gotta L E A R N.
So anyway, here's this guy with 3,744 logged hours on our servers and he's still drumming up bullshit like this
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
Mice World wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:46 amCompletely disagree with this outlook. While ss13 is a more social focused video game, it's still just a video game. You don't need to be a social person to roleplay. You don't need to interact with the ss13 community to enjoy the game. You don't need to make friends or hang out with people. It's a video game. People will take what they want from it and you can't fault them for that.Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:06 am that when you've been here for more than two years it's a really fucking bad sign that nobody knows anything about you, and when they do it's only because of shit like this? this isn't cs:go matchmaking. this isn't some halo 3 lobby. these are the same people hanging out in a place they like every day and you're supposed to talk to them and hang out
You have a few hundred hours of "game content" before you burn through the mechanics and jobs and are left bored. Now what?Mice World wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:29 amI don't really see a round on tg being much different than a match on a tf2 community server.
What? I don't think you're getting me.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:20 am ...
There are no friends on the internet, dude.
Like I understand your point except the talk of this being a social thing because there's not one person you shouldn't be willing to backstab online if they start acting out of line. That's actually how you maintain a healthy community too by not playing favorites. Because you don't actually know them.
Right so if you have an admin friend who's abusing the rules and called in a favor as your friend, would you let it slide?Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:32 amWhat? I don't think you're getting me.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:20 am ...
There are no friends on the internet, dude.
Like I understand your point except the talk of this being a social thing because there's not one person you shouldn't be willing to backstab online if they start acting out of line. That's actually how you maintain a healthy community too by not playing favorites. Because you don't actually know them.
You maintain a healthy community with strong player-moderation relations. You make friends. You encourage other people to make friends. You discourage people from being antisocial.
If you don't know your own community, if your community doesn't interact with itself, you don't have a community. You have a dead Minecraft server you posted on every server board on the internet and nobody who wants to turn up because you're doing it wrong.
Most communities get spun up because of four or five friends just wanting to play some video games.
No friends on the internet? Backstab anyone you can? Man, that's some depressing shit. Who hurt you?
You're aware that you can be angry at people you're friends with, right?dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:45 am ...
Right so if you have an admin friend who's abusing the rules and called in a favor as your friend, would you let it slide?
Dirk, I don't think that's what they mean. Like, some admins play minecraft or whatever together, because they meet in the game and become friends. I, in fact, have made friends here, and just because we are friends doesn't mean I don't backstab them, because I do. I have played some Terraria with some members that I meet here, because they are cool and fun! Again, I still kill them, and that almost makes it funner. Anyway, that's just my two cents, tell me if I am off the mark Scriptis. <3dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:45 amRight so if you have an admin friend who's abusing the rules and called in a favor as your friend, would you let it slide?Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:32 amWhat? I don't think you're getting me.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:20 am ...
There are no friends on the internet, dude.
Like I understand your point except the talk of this being a social thing because there's not one person you shouldn't be willing to backstab online if they start acting out of line. That's actually how you maintain a healthy community too by not playing favorites. Because you don't actually know them.
You maintain a healthy community with strong player-moderation relations. You make friends. You encourage other people to make friends. You discourage people from being antisocial.
If you don't know your own community, if your community doesn't interact with itself, you don't have a community. You have a dead Minecraft server you posted on every server board on the internet and nobody who wants to turn up because you're doing it wrong.
Most communities get spun up because of four or five friends just wanting to play some video games.
No friends on the internet? Backstab anyone you can? Man, that's some depressing shit. Who hurt you?
Friendships aren't transactional like that dude. You don't "call in a favor as your friend." People have something called integrity too.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:45 am Right so if you have an admin friend who's abusing the rules and called in a favor as your friend, would you let it slide?
Yeah I'm fine I just don't see how it's a smart decision to make friends online. Leaving aside the people I've seen self destruct online over the years... your role as an admin is to met out discipline for rules valuations.Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:50 amYou're aware that you can be angry at people you're friends with, right?dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:45 am ...
Right so if you have an admin friend who's abusing the rules and called in a favor as your friend, would you let it slide?
You alright, man?
My role as an admin is to maintain the community, not blindly enforce the rules. This is a clubhouse, not a courtroom.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:09 am Yeah I'm fine I just don't see how it's a smart decision to make friends online. Leaving aside the people I've seen self destruct online over the years... your role as an admin is to met out discipline for rules valuations.
I agree with this. It would be easier to enjoy the game when you're a member of the community. I won't dispute that having friends makes games a lot more enjoyable. However, I mainly disagreed with your original post that made it seem like not interacting with the community was a BAD thing.Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:13 am The difference between a TF2 community server and TG is the sheer time investment required. If you're going to be here for 200+ hours (which is going to happen if you have any real interest in what we host), you should be involved in the community in some capacity, even if that capacity is as small as "people recognize me in game and greet me now" or "this guy taught me how to do ordnance, that's pretty cool."
In my time learning ss13 I made one friend. They noticed I was new and helped me with a few things in-game. However, 95% of everything I know is self-taught. From medbay, chemistry, botany etc. I just made a localhost and tested things. This probably isn't the best way to learn, but I enjoyed it.Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:13 am It's 'cuz you're human. You're a social animal, dummy. You're really going to learn to play an atmospherics simulator without asking questions--without making social connections? Not gonna happen. You don't get to just pick pyro and W+M1. You gotta L E A R N.
To me roleplaying should feel natural. Ideally it's not something you need to go out of your way to interact with. I don't think roleplaying or socializing in-character is interacting with the community, it's just a part of playing the game.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:32 am You have a few hundred hours of "game content" before you burn through the mechanics and jobs and are left bored. Now what?
Well what else is there? Roleplay. Socializing. Getting involved in little stories. Maybe making the little stories. Community. That's inexhaustible.
Going to cosign this. People don't have to know you on a friendly level for you to be a good player.Mice World wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:16 am
Anyway, I do agree with what you're saying. I just read "that when you've been here for more than two years it's a really fucking bad sign that nobody knows anything about you" and strongly disagreed with it. Maybe because it applies to me? I don't know.
I somewhat agree, I dont know much of Zybs history but they might one day figure out more fun ways to play this, though their behaviour in this thread does not give me great confidencedirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:01 am Zybwivcz playing assistant security without gamer gear and getting lynched repeatedly would be funny. More funny than perma'ing him in my opinion.
Also ban him from random names.
We can rehabilitate him, lads.
He can always be permabanned later.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:55 amI somewhat agree, I dont know much of Zybs history but they might one day figure out more fun ways to play this, though their behaviour in this thread does not give me great confidencedirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:01 am Zybwivcz playing assistant security without gamer gear and getting lynched repeatedly would be funny. More funny than perma'ing him in my opinion.
Also ban him from random names.
We can rehabilitate him, lads.
It would be funny but he’d probably just continue to shit up the place in boring-but-not-rulebreaking ways so I genuinely don’t see why he should be given a 16th chance.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:01 amHe can always be permabanned later.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:55 amI somewhat agree, I dont know much of Zybs history but they might one day figure out more fun ways to play this, though their behaviour in this thread does not give me great confidencedirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:01 am Zybwivcz playing assistant security without gamer gear and getting lynched repeatedly would be funny. More funny than perma'ing him in my opinion.
Also ban him from random names.
We can rehabilitate him, lads.
I'm going to keep beating this dead horse until it's deadest:
Appearance ban with the middle name 'Zyb' in his forced static name so everyone knows who he is.
Job banned into the assistant zone.
Also banned from ahelping.
He'll either be fixed or I'll be entertained seeing him manage to get himself banned again for trying to play assistant cop.
You can also print sec huds once they get the research, but it is a pretty cheap and early research node and as the HoP you have the reseearch app on your PDA and can research it yourself, then you can just craft your glasses into sec glasses.ekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:19 pmThat's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
He should be appearanced banned to fix the randomnaming.Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:33 am The real problem was Zyb giving himself holding cells access round start and then gulaging people as HoP.
The reasons why he wasn't "caught" were because he was randomnaming, making it harder for others to identify him, and that admins aren't usually aware because they don't get pinged when he performs a change of access or are aware of his notes.
"Encourage him to roleplay by (among other things) removing his ability to talk with other players"dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:41 amHe should be appearanced banned to fix the randomnaming.Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:33 am The real problem was Zyb giving himself holding cells access round start and then gulaging people as HoP.
The reasons why he wasn't "caught" were because he was randomnaming, making it harder for others to identify him, and that admins aren't usually aware because they don't get pinged when he performs a change of access or are aware of his notes.
What I'm proposing is a degradation of zyb to the point that there is no practical way he can interfere with antagonists, yet his compulsion to play the game will keep him around.
A clockwork zybwivcz.
Job ban him to assistant only, force him to have a static name, give him the pacifist trait, and the galactic uncommon trait. Watch him to see if he keeps playing under these circumstances. He can be rehabilitated.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
agreed with ekaterina here, are you rehabiliting the man or subjecting him to such a miserable time that he may as well be perma'd anyways??ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:49 am"Encourage him to roleplay by (among other things) removing his ability to talk with other players"dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:41 amHe should be appearanced banned to fix the randomnaming.Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:33 am The real problem was Zyb giving himself holding cells access round start and then gulaging people as HoP.
The reasons why he wasn't "caught" were because he was randomnaming, making it harder for others to identify him, and that admins aren't usually aware because they don't get pinged when he performs a change of access or are aware of his notes.
What I'm proposing is a degradation of zyb to the point that there is no practical way he can interfere with antagonists, yet his compulsion to play the game will keep him around.
A clockwork zybwivcz.
Job ban him to assistant only, force him to have a static name, give him the pacifist trait, and the galactic uncommon trait. Watch him to see if he keeps playing under these circumstances. He can be rehabilitated.
This might be one of the dumbest suggestions I've read on player rehabilitation.
He can still talk to the curator.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:49 am"Encourage him to roleplay by (among other things) removing his ability to talk with other players"dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:41 amHe should be appearanced banned to fix the randomnaming.Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:33 am The real problem was Zyb giving himself holding cells access round start and then gulaging people as HoP.
The reasons why he wasn't "caught" were because he was randomnaming, making it harder for others to identify him, and that admins aren't usually aware because they don't get pinged when he performs a change of access or are aware of his notes.
What I'm proposing is a degradation of zyb to the point that there is no practical way he can interfere with antagonists, yet his compulsion to play the game will keep him around.
A clockwork zybwivcz.
Job ban him to assistant only, force him to have a static name, give him the pacifist trait, and the galactic uncommon trait. Watch him to see if he keeps playing under these circumstances. He can be rehabilitated.
This might be one of the dumbest suggestions I've read on player rehabilitation.