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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
You literally just said roleplaying game game
also i dont know what world you live in where you think people fighting over tools like broke rats are considered "doom man" or "edgemasters" we call those people things but not good things they are assistants, lowest class on the station, use your imagination, they are acting perfectly appropriate for their situation if you take into account real life concepts such as desire and desperation and i think you should move to an nrp server if you cant stop comparing this stuff to doom or some other game.
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NRP servers would be literally full of these kinds of people what are you even talking about
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What are you talking about? You brought up "doomman" and "edgemasters" not me? If you want to force that interpretation of someone fighting over tools as them being doomguy I dont think lrp mrp or hrp is right for you unless you are clearly joking about it as the clown or something.
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You are trying to argue with vekter's ruling on the basis of a semantic objection. You are saying that causing destruction is a form of roleplay, so they couldn't be guilty of a lack of RP. The issue being that nobody besides you considers that roleplay, and even if we did it doesn't change the fact that players like that are universally not enjoyable to play around if its the only thing they ever do.
Conflict is important in a round, but that's also why we have antags, if this person solely comes to the game to wordlessly create conflict they are just fabricating conflict so they can line toe self antagging.
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I did not narrow it down to destruction although destruction in all its forms can be present within a dynamic interaction that comes from other players, roleplay is literally how you impact everyone regardless if its positive or negative, do you feel anger when someone breaks into your room? do you feel joy when the engineer does his job and you dont have to worry about power? do you feel contempt when someone else uses all of the materials? Good because you are feeling as though you are from the perspective of the character you are playing as given your personality.Lacran wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:45 am You are trying to argue with vekter's ruling on the basis of a semantic objection. You are saying that causing destruction is a form of roleplay, so they couldn't be guilty of a lack of RP. The issue being that nobody besides you considers that roleplay, and even if we did it doesn't change the fact that players like that are universally not enjoyable to play around if its the only thing they ever do.
Roleplay does not have to be direct it does not have to be verbal it does not have to be obvious and it does not have to make you feel good.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
Also the "desire and desperation" you talk about is things like "that guy took insuls before me I must fight him because I am impatient" or "I must raid medbay by myself for supplies over being punched", or "let me make a entire security chase me by being a complete ass to players" so if your idea of high RP is to constantly be an edgy troublemaker then I guess hippiestation was high RP.
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Your generous reinterpration of what Roleplay is doesn't actually justify this persons actions.MooCow12 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:41 am I did not narrow it down to destruction although destruction in all its forms can be present within a dynamic interaction that comes from other players, roleplay is literally how you impact everyone regardless if its positive or negative, do you feel anger when someone breaks into your room? do you feel joy when the engineer does his job and you dont have to worry about power? do you feel contempt when someone else uses all of the materials?
Roleplay does not have to be direct it does not have to be verbal it does not have to be obvious and it does not have to make you feel good.
We have specific roles to create conflict, while you can seek conflict or create it, if you are doing it every single round, the exact same way you aren't adding to the story of the round, you are just being a dickhead.
I'm not even sure why you are so desperate to tie yourself in knots defending this behaviour, is being a hopeless mute shitter a hill you were planning to die on yourself?
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upon closer inspection i think vekter may be right due to the fact that--
well, to be perfectly honest, i've less led maskenary to water here than i have drowned him in the lake at this point, and i'm usually too lenient anyway so maybe shouldn't be my call for once
i'm still disappointed and i hope he keeps hanging out on discord despite the ban (and gets parole for hanging out in discord and being a part of the community despite all the odds stacked against him)
well, to be perfectly honest, i've less led maskenary to water here than i have drowned him in the lake at this point, and i'm usually too lenient anyway so maybe shouldn't be my call for once
i'm still disappointed and i hope he keeps hanging out on discord despite the ban (and gets parole for hanging out in discord and being a part of the community despite all the odds stacked against him)
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To repeat what I said on the discord, unless it gets overruled by headmins, he has until the next headmin term, or next year I guess, to get his act together, and then try to rejoin as a reformed player.Scriptis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:48 am upon closer inspection i think vekter may be right due to the fact that--
well, to be perfectly honest, i've less led maskenary to water here than i have drowned him in the lake at this point, and i'm usually too lenient anyway so maybe shouldn't be my call for once
i'm still disappointed and i hope he keeps hanging out on discord despite the ban (and gets parole for hanging out in discord and being a part of the community despite all the odds stacked against him)
But I'm too cynical to believe that'll be the case.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
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{Also the "desire and desperation" you talk about is things like "that guy took insuls before me I must fight him because I am impatient"}Archie700 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:42 am Also the "desire and desperation" you talk about is things like "that guy took insuls before me I must fight him because I am impatient" or "I must raid medbay by myself for supplies over being punched", or "let me make a entire security chase me by being a complete ass to players" so if your idea of high RP is to constantly be an edgy troublemaker then I guess hippiestation was high RP.
Another person of my class got something that would otherwise elevate my status and ability to determine my future in one of the most hazardous and underpaid jobs ive ever had (remember assistants are lower class) "impatient" lol
{"I must raid medbay by myself for supplies over being punched"}
this is a good one because its directly the fault of game mechanics because of how injuries work (realistically nothing is gonna really make a bruise heal quicker and you should take a trip to a doctor instead if you have a serious injury but if people could easily heal themselves in real life then why would anyone go to a doctor?)
{"let me make a entire security chase me by being a complete ass to players"}
we literally get massive police chases livestreamed irl all the time people are either shit or they let escalation spiral out of control.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
I'd agree with this if it was relevant at all to the current case.MooCow12 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:41 amI did not narrow it down to destruction although destruction in all its forms can be present within a dynamic interaction that comes from other players, roleplay is literally how you impact everyone regardless if its positive or negative, do you feel anger when someone breaks into your room? do you feel joy when the engineer does his job and you dont have to worry about power? do you feel contempt when someone else uses all of the materials? Good because you are feeling as though you are from the perspective of the character you are playing as given your personality.Lacran wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:45 am You are trying to argue with vekter's ruling on the basis of a semantic objection. You are saying that causing destruction is a form of roleplay, so they couldn't be guilty of a lack of RP. The issue being that nobody besides you considers that roleplay, and even if we did it doesn't change the fact that players like that are universally not enjoyable to play around if its the only thing they ever do.
Roleplay does not have to be direct it does not have to be verbal it does not have to be obvious and it does not have to make you feel good.
In a normal case, you'd start a conflict with someone over these things, it would escalate and maybe end up in a fun feud. Maybe beat the snot out of them in a climatic fight.
You know what isnt fun?
You catch the guy who wordlessly slighted you in some way, and when you beat him in a fight? he just screams "unrobust" then disconnects. Thats not RP, thats just lame.
I'd make the argument that rule 12 is designed for people like Reider, where his competitive "play-to-win" behaviour is actively harmful to other players rounds, no matter if hes caught.
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No but the more you namecall the more i want to die on a hill directly opposite from yours.
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You are right none of the arguements so far have been about this, I even said earlier there were better reasons to ban reider than just not talking and this is one of those scenarios where talking is worse than not talking.kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:52 am
You catch the guy who wordlessly slighted you in some way, and when you beat him in a fight? he just screams "unrobust" then disconnects. Thats not RP, thats just lame.
I'd make the argument that rule 12 is designed for people like Reider, where his competitive "play-to-win" behaviour is actively harmful to other players rounds, no matter if hes caught.
Again all of my arguements so far were against the basis that not talking is bad, but what you are bringing up is entirely my point like why in the fuck is just him not talking the reason he is banned when we have better reasons to slap him with
its not a lack of rp and im gonna fucking fight that forever until the ban reason is changed to be based on this behavior or some other behavior but not being fucking silent or fighting over tools as an assistant
so until vektor shifts his reasoning, this is relevant to the current case.
I literally have like 6 instances of me having to deal with his shit and even i have to defend him because the ideology that got him banned (again not flaming vektor just saying he comes from manual which has stricter rules) reeks so bad, you can ban him for something that would get you banned on sybil/terry but instead slap him with something that would get you banned on manual or fulp.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
Ban reason:
Has shown a willing refusal to interact with the game in any context other than as a combat simulator. Repeated and constant violations of rules 1, 10, and 12 over the last few years, including consistent attempts to avoid actually RPing in a role-playing game, to the point where they will go far, far out of their way to steal things instead of ask for them. What little RP they engage in is sufficiently low-quality to be questioned as actual RP. While we would normally need an inciting incident to escalate to a permanent ban, we are placing this as a quality control measure.
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This was mainly what alienated me from Vekter that and combination of this and stuff going on irl for me to try to avoid is why id rather type away in a peanut thread than deal with that. I dont LIKE people being removed from a community and its not something i can internally feel right about without sufficient copium like "he did this really really bad thing that actually did hurt everyone"Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:42 am
You're not understanding how his actions affect other players. His refusal to RP isn't an excuse. He actively refuses to RP with people because his preferred method of getting things is to break in, steal it, and beat the absolute piss out of anyone who tries to stop him.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
He will have to be the second coming of Jesus Christ to get it appealed before the year is upconrad wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:50 amTo repeat what I said on the discord, unless it gets overruled by headmins, he has until the next headmin term, or next year I guess, to get his act together, and then try to rejoin as a reformed player.Scriptis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:48 am upon closer inspection i think vekter may be right due to the fact that--
well, to be perfectly honest, i've less led maskenary to water here than i have drowned him in the lake at this point, and i'm usually too lenient anyway so maybe shouldn't be my call for once
i'm still disappointed and i hope he keeps hanging out on discord despite the ban (and gets parole for hanging out in discord and being a part of the community despite all the odds stacked against him)
But I'm too cynical to believe that'll be the case.
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call me Palpatine cuz vekter be obeying my evil suggestions precipitating a fall from grace
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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i wrote an entire paragraph explaining how the lrp culture has caused the degeneration of antag gimmick play styles & how it affects how people play & start conflicts, only to realize it made 0 sense given the context and sounded like deluded ramblingsLacran wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:37 amConflict is important in a round, but that's also why we have antags, if this person solely comes to the game to wordlessly create conflict they are just fabricating conflict so they can line toe self antagging.
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I do want to point out that vekter doesn't seem to know what the adjective "devious" means and says "obviously spamming obscure tiktok memes in ic" which is funny?
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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kicking reider in the shins and telling him to get good is funny
this ban is not it sucks
this ban is not it sucks
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has this guy tried playing fortnite
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this.vect0r wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:57 am More thoughts:
People don't want to be around Meza. It's pretty clear why, because everybody thinks they are a 'greytiding shit'. They get pretty much valided, and because of there reputation, it's ok, as it's 'just meza'. This toxic cycle of everything just shitting on Reider whenever they get brought up means they never really have a chance to roleplay. They have never been shown good RP, just collecting bans for not RPing, and I would assume they have tried once, and just got fucking dunked by everybody else.
if you can establish a pattern of NOT TREATING THEM LIKE A FUCKING MONGOLOID every encounter, they will very quickly lighten up
I can't tell you how many times ive observed reider and seen people fucking with him JUST BECAUSE ITS REIDER.
I can't tell you how many times ive witnessed players that should have been banned for metagrudging the guy IC.
the IC spreads to OOC which infests more and more IC
i've watched reider in command roles before and the fucking amount of literal ROVING BANDS OF TIDERS that fuck with him just "because its reider" rivals the amount that would go after dean ivanov, BOTH OF WHOM would ALSO go into departments and steal shit instead of asking for it. dean was ALSO just as mute when it comes to roleplay as Reider (sorry dean i love you)
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Self-fulfilling prophecy, also known as interpersonal expectancy effect, refers to the phenomenon whereby a person's or a group's expectation for the behavior of another person or group serves actually to bring about the prophesied or expected behavior.
the fact that he doesn't talk enough to make the admins happy should not be grounds for perma.
yes, he needs work as a player, and some of us are trying to get him there. let us cook longer. the fact that scriptis(the admin that sybil didn't know it needed) is trying to work with this guy should open up a lot of other admins' eyes.
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Reider actually grasping at straws when they literally have to say how many say logs they have in a round to prove they "roleplay"
Also they played 6 different rounds between the two they linked, were there no better examples they were able to show between them? Or the 7 rounds between the last one they linked and the last one before they were banned.
(Using https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/ckey/maskenary as reference here)
What a stupid way of deciding whether you are good for "roleplay" or not, say logs is not all there is to interacting with other players anyway.
Also they played 6 different rounds between the two they linked, were there no better examples they were able to show between them? Or the 7 rounds between the last one they linked and the last one before they were banned.
(Using https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/ckey/maskenary as reference here)
What a stupid way of deciding whether you are good for "roleplay" or not, say logs is not all there is to interacting with other players anyway.
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there’s nothing defendable about reider so everyone here has devolved into making reider a victim
there’s like 100 other players on tgstation that all function better than him. i think this is a skill issue
there’s like 100 other players on tgstation that all function better than him. i think this is a skill issue
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For the record, I can and have bonked people for treating Reider (among other "known shitters") differently based on prior knowledge. That's just objectively against the rules. Like I said earlier, as far as I'm aware, the last time anyone in the admin team even talked about helping Reider improve as a player was a year ago. If this is his effort over a year, it's not enough. It's not worth sacrificing everyone else's experience for one player in the hopes they'll get better while they say shit like "i am testing new loadout...""MAGBOOT + ADVANCED INSUL" "+ BATON" in-character and spend pretty much every round being a nuisance to everyone around them. I respect you and understand your perspective, but I'd appreciate if you respected mine - this isn't just because he doesn't talk enough, it's because what talking he does is stupid, inane, OOC bullshit that doesn't pass the sniff test and he's a massive pain in the ass to anyone who even remotely inconveniences him IC.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:08 pmthis.vect0r wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:57 am More thoughts:
People don't want to be around Meza. It's pretty clear why, because everybody thinks they are a 'greytiding shit'. They get pretty much valided, and because of there reputation, it's ok, as it's 'just meza'. This toxic cycle of everything just shitting on Reider whenever they get brought up means they never really have a chance to roleplay. They have never been shown good RP, just collecting bans for not RPing, and I would assume they have tried once, and just got fucking dunked by everybody else.
if you can establish a pattern of NOT TREATING THEM LIKE A FUCKING MONGOLOID every encounter, they will very quickly lighten up
I can't tell you how many times ive observed reider and seen people fucking with him JUST BECAUSE ITS REIDER.
I can't tell you how many times ive witnessed players that should have been banned for metagrudging the guy IC.
the IC spreads to OOC which infests more and more IC
i've watched reider in command roles before and the fucking amount of literal ROVING BANDS OF TIDERS that fuck with him just "because its reider" rivals the amount that would go after dean ivanov, BOTH OF WHOM would ALSO go into departments and steal shit instead of asking for it. dean was ALSO just as mute when it comes to roleplay as Reider (sorry dean i love you)
TLDR-
Reiders banning is a result of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, also known as interpersonal expectancy effect, refers to the phenomenon whereby a person's or a group's expectation for the behavior of another person or group serves actually to bring about the prophesied or expected behavior.
the fact that he doesn't talk enough to make the admins happy should not be grounds for perma.
yes, he needs work as a player, and some of us are trying to get him there. let us cook longer. the fact that scriptis(the admin that sybil didn't know it needed) is trying to work with this guy should open up a lot of other admins' eyes.
Bad players are allowed to improve if they show a pattern and willingness to improve. Reider has been banned 26 times and noted 57 times, 25 of which have been over the last year (since Scriptis started trying to rehabilitate them). There's a point where we have to look at it and decide if Reider is just using our good nature against us.
He says it enough that I figured it was worth noting; it's not a common word that most people use outside of that context.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:46 am I do want to point out that vekter doesn't seem to know what the adjective "devious" means and says "obviously spamming obscure tiktok memes in ic" which is funny?
You can only kick someone in the shins so many times before it becomes obvious that it's not working.
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AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
maybe i just say devious an unusual amount and have an inflated idea of its commonnessVekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:21 pmFor the record, I can and have bonked people for treating Reider (among other "known shitters") differently based on prior knowledge. That's just objectively against the rules. Like I said earlier, as far as I'm aware, the last time anyone in the admin team even talked about helping Reider improve as a player was a year ago. If this is his effort over a year, it's not enough. It's not worth sacrificing everyone else's experience for one player in the hopes they'll get better while they say shit like "i am testing new loadout...""MAGBOOT + ADVANCED INSUL" "+ BATON" in-character and spend pretty much every round being a nuisance to everyone around them. I respect you and understand your perspective, but I'd appreciate if you respected mine - this isn't just because he doesn't talk enough, it's because what talking he does is stupid, inane, OOC bullshit that doesn't pass the sniff test and he's a massive pain in the ass to anyone who even remotely inconveniences him IC.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:08 pmthis.vect0r wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:57 am More thoughts:
People don't want to be around Meza. It's pretty clear why, because everybody thinks they are a 'greytiding shit'. They get pretty much valided, and because of there reputation, it's ok, as it's 'just meza'. This toxic cycle of everything just shitting on Reider whenever they get brought up means they never really have a chance to roleplay. They have never been shown good RP, just collecting bans for not RPing, and I would assume they have tried once, and just got fucking dunked by everybody else.
if you can establish a pattern of NOT TREATING THEM LIKE A FUCKING MONGOLOID every encounter, they will very quickly lighten up
I can't tell you how many times ive observed reider and seen people fucking with him JUST BECAUSE ITS REIDER.
I can't tell you how many times ive witnessed players that should have been banned for metagrudging the guy IC.
the IC spreads to OOC which infests more and more IC
i've watched reider in command roles before and the fucking amount of literal ROVING BANDS OF TIDERS that fuck with him just "because its reider" rivals the amount that would go after dean ivanov, BOTH OF WHOM would ALSO go into departments and steal shit instead of asking for it. dean was ALSO just as mute when it comes to roleplay as Reider (sorry dean i love you)
TLDR-
Reiders banning is a result of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, also known as interpersonal expectancy effect, refers to the phenomenon whereby a person's or a group's expectation for the behavior of another person or group serves actually to bring about the prophesied or expected behavior.
the fact that he doesn't talk enough to make the admins happy should not be grounds for perma.
yes, he needs work as a player, and some of us are trying to get him there. let us cook longer. the fact that scriptis(the admin that sybil didn't know it needed) is trying to work with this guy should open up a lot of other admins' eyes.
He says it enough that I figured it was worth noting; it's not a common word that most people use outside of that context.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:46 am I do want to point out that vekter doesn't seem to know what the adjective "devious" means and says "obviously spamming obscure tiktok memes in ic" which is funny?
You can only kick someone in the shins so many times before it becomes obvious that it's not working.
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There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
I've played with Reider for a while now, and I frankly do not understand the flak he gets. He's good at the game, he's good at combat, he enjoys fighting and is good at it. That said, I've seen him develop as a person over time as we've played. He powergamed less and less, RP'd more and more. So this weird vertical death slice you've made of the man's long career on SS13 feels more vicious than it does helpful.
I've had to deal with FAAAAAAAR worse characters than Reider, and I say that as both a tot player and a security player. I've had HoS players that are maliciously and purposefully incompetent, who straight up grief the entire department as a gimmick. I've had HoS players who torture someone for 40 minutes, failing to do their job to live out their weird sadistic RP. And an endless supply of greyshirts who will silently tide you for no reason. So he's an odd one to single out, especially since I've seen him get better.
The biggest complaint I could have about Reider is that he goes SSD when he gets bored or loses. That I could understand being upset over, though I know a few people who do that.
Honestly this ban makes no sense to me, he's an efficient player, I'd prefer him over a lot of other people I deal with on Sybil. Getting upset at Reider using terms like "i am testing new loadout...""MAGBOOT + ADVANCED INSUL" "+ BATON" in LRP is mind boggling to me. And yeah, I see people treat Reider badly all the time, to the point to where he had to alias a number of times to catch a break. People treat people badly just because they are good at the game. I see Dean get picked on for also being good at the game. There is this weird stigma when it comes to players who are actually GOOD at combat, and I end up experiencing it myself as well.
The game is brutal and it's coded to be brutal purposefully, the balance is not in favor of sitting there monologuing while 'sticking someone up' for 5 minutes. I myself have died at the hands of Reider valid hunting me once, when I tried to RP. I wanted to do a standoff with security, and Reider wordlessly snuck in behind me, bola'd me, and killed me with a cleaver. That taught me an important lesson more than anything about being more cautious. I was upset with Reider, but now I'm not. It's just part of the game, and that works against people who are good at it.
I watched Reider become better about all these complaints as I've known him and played with him. He WAS getting better, and I think it's entirely unfair that you've just been stalking him with a microscope waiting for him to slip up. I know a LOT of players who would get into trouble if you did that.
I've had to deal with FAAAAAAAR worse characters than Reider, and I say that as both a tot player and a security player. I've had HoS players that are maliciously and purposefully incompetent, who straight up grief the entire department as a gimmick. I've had HoS players who torture someone for 40 minutes, failing to do their job to live out their weird sadistic RP. And an endless supply of greyshirts who will silently tide you for no reason. So he's an odd one to single out, especially since I've seen him get better.
The biggest complaint I could have about Reider is that he goes SSD when he gets bored or loses. That I could understand being upset over, though I know a few people who do that.
Honestly this ban makes no sense to me, he's an efficient player, I'd prefer him over a lot of other people I deal with on Sybil. Getting upset at Reider using terms like "i am testing new loadout...""MAGBOOT + ADVANCED INSUL" "+ BATON" in LRP is mind boggling to me. And yeah, I see people treat Reider badly all the time, to the point to where he had to alias a number of times to catch a break. People treat people badly just because they are good at the game. I see Dean get picked on for also being good at the game. There is this weird stigma when it comes to players who are actually GOOD at combat, and I end up experiencing it myself as well.
The game is brutal and it's coded to be brutal purposefully, the balance is not in favor of sitting there monologuing while 'sticking someone up' for 5 minutes. I myself have died at the hands of Reider valid hunting me once, when I tried to RP. I wanted to do a standoff with security, and Reider wordlessly snuck in behind me, bola'd me, and killed me with a cleaver. That taught me an important lesson more than anything about being more cautious. I was upset with Reider, but now I'm not. It's just part of the game, and that works against people who are good at it.
I watched Reider become better about all these complaints as I've known him and played with him. He WAS getting better, and I think it's entirely unfair that you've just been stalking him with a microscope waiting for him to slip up. I know a LOT of players who would get into trouble if you did that.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
This is part of an attempt to make the experience on Sybil better overall. It's very clear that things have deteriorated to where newer people think that this is the norm, but it's not. If you are dealing with issues like this on the regular, you need to be reporting them so we can further work towards raising the quality of play to somewhere we're comfortable with. I understand the mentality people have that they don't want to be snitches or don't think it's worth reporting it, but it's better for the server as a whole if we can help bring things back to where they once were.InternJohn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:50 pm I've had to deal with FAAAAAAAR worse characters than Reider, and I say that as both a tot player and a security player. I've had HoS players that are maliciously and purposefully incompetent, who straight up grief the entire department as a gimmick. I've had HoS players who torture someone for 40 minutes, failing to do their job to live out their weird sadistic RP. And an endless supply of greyshirts who will silently tide you for no reason. So he's an odd one to single out, especially since I've seen him get better.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
But it has become the norm, and I don't believe administration is the way to deal with this being the norm. It's not the community's fault that the game plays this way. You are always going to end up with people developing into this kind of player because that's how the game WANTS you to play. I myself have been changed into a wordless killing machine by the simple nature of TGstation's combat. Granted I'm not as far gone as Reider or Axle or some of the others, but it's still what the system does to you.Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:10 pm This is part of an attempt to make the experience on Sybil better overall. It's very clear that things have deteriorated to where newer people think that this is the norm, but it's not. If you are dealing with issues like this on the regular, you need to be reporting them so we can further work towards raising the quality of play to somewhere we're comfortable with. I understand the mentality people have that they don't want to be snitches or don't think it's worth reporting it, but it's better for the server as a whole if we can help bring things back to where they once were.
The best way to stop this tiding epidemic, is through gameplay changes, not heavy handed administration.
For example, during the April 1st PR, I saw almost no tiding, because all the departments had their own security to stop the tiding. There are many ways to help alleviate this STYLE of gameplay, but I don't think Reider is fully at fault, and I don't believe this ban is justified. He was getting better, slowly, but he was. I haven't even known him THAT long and I could tell.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
i respect the viewpoint, but i really believe the only people that should be permad from here are the ones that are just downright malicious when it comes to their actionsVekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:21 pmFor the record, I can and have bonked people for treating Reider (among other "known shitters") differently based on prior knowledge. That's just objectively against the rules. Like I said earlier, as far as I'm aware, the last time anyone in the admin team even talked about helping Reider improve as a player was a year ago. If this is his effort over a year, it's not enough. It's not worth sacrificing everyone else's experience for one player in the hopes they'll get better while they say shit like "i am testing new loadout...""MAGBOOT + ADVANCED INSUL" "+ BATON" in-character and spend pretty much every round being a nuisance to everyone around them. I respect you and understand your perspective, but I'd appreciate if you respected mine - this isn't just because he doesn't talk enough, it's because what talking he does is stupid, inane, OOC bullshit that doesn't pass the sniff test and he's a massive pain in the ass to anyone who even remotely inconveniences him IC.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:08 pmthis.vect0r wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:57 am More thoughts:
People don't want to be around Meza. It's pretty clear why, because everybody thinks they are a 'greytiding shit'. They get pretty much valided, and because of there reputation, it's ok, as it's 'just meza'. This toxic cycle of everything just shitting on Reider whenever they get brought up means they never really have a chance to roleplay. They have never been shown good RP, just collecting bans for not RPing, and I would assume they have tried once, and just got fucking dunked by everybody else.
if you can establish a pattern of NOT TREATING THEM LIKE A FUCKING MONGOLOID every encounter, they will very quickly lighten up
I can't tell you how many times ive observed reider and seen people fucking with him JUST BECAUSE ITS REIDER.
I can't tell you how many times ive witnessed players that should have been banned for metagrudging the guy IC.
the IC spreads to OOC which infests more and more IC
i've watched reider in command roles before and the fucking amount of literal ROVING BANDS OF TIDERS that fuck with him just "because its reider" rivals the amount that would go after dean ivanov, BOTH OF WHOM would ALSO go into departments and steal shit instead of asking for it. dean was ALSO just as mute when it comes to roleplay as Reider (sorry dean i love you)
TLDR-
Reiders banning is a result of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, also known as interpersonal expectancy effect, refers to the phenomenon whereby a person's or a group's expectation for the behavior of another person or group serves actually to bring about the prophesied or expected behavior.
the fact that he doesn't talk enough to make the admins happy should not be grounds for perma.
yes, he needs work as a player, and some of us are trying to get him there. let us cook longer. the fact that scriptis(the admin that sybil didn't know it needed) is trying to work with this guy should open up a lot of other admins' eyes.
Bad players are allowed to improve if they show a pattern and willingness to improve. Reider has been banned 26 times and noted 57 times, 25 of which have been over the last year (since Scriptis started trying to rehabilitate them). There's a point where we have to look at it and decide if Reider is just using our good nature against us.
He says it enough that I figured it was worth noting; it's not a common word that most people use outside of that context.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:46 am I do want to point out that vekter doesn't seem to know what the adjective "devious" means and says "obviously spamming obscure tiktok memes in ic" which is funny?
You can only kick someone in the shins so many times before it becomes obvious that it's not working.
reider is a brutal, efficient remover of vertical pixelated spacemen in this game, and that's okay
breaking into someones department and stealing shit is okay
him critting some asshole that wont leave him alone is okay
him speaking in unga bunga is okay
but it doesnt feel like anything he does is straight up malicious designed to ruin everyones time around him
just fucking ask the guy in game to politely go away or just give him what he wants
"but he doesnt go away kendrick!!"
are you SURE?
have you T R I E D?
i can't defend that amount of notes and bans, but i can say that i enjoy having the guy around, and he's just not as bad as everyone makes him out to be ya know
he is a falcon, a beautiful bird of prey, to be pointed in a direction and commanded to kill (like dean)
and it's okay to have people like that around, especially when they are trying to get better
i can understand the hate, but i'm honestly really interested in Timber's Closing Thoughts™ on this one
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
okay, this is honestly a really good point, especially with summer just around the cornerVekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:10 pmThis is part of an attempt to make the experience on Sybil better overall. It's very clear that things have deteriorated to where newer people think that this is the norm, but it's not. If you are dealing with issues like this on the regular, you need to be reporting them so we can further work towards raising the quality of play to somewhere we're comfortable with. I understand the mentality people have that they don't want to be snitches or don't think it's worth reporting it, but it's better for the server as a whole if we can help bring things back to where they once were.InternJohn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:50 pm I've had to deal with FAAAAAAAR worse characters than Reider, and I say that as both a tot player and a security player. I've had HoS players that are maliciously and purposefully incompetent, who straight up grief the entire department as a gimmick. I've had HoS players who torture someone for 40 minutes, failing to do their job to live out their weird sadistic RP. And an endless supply of greyshirts who will silently tide you for no reason. So he's an odd one to single out, especially since I've seen him get better.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:23 pm i respect the viewpoint, but i really believe the only people that should be permad from here are the ones that are just downright malicious when it comes to their actions
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
lol good analogyVekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pmAt what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:23 pm i respect the viewpoint, but i really believe the only people that should be permad from here are the ones that are just downright malicious when it comes to their actions
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
Please share these deluded ramblings I’m genuinely interestedsaprasam wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:36 ami wrote an entire paragraph explaining how the lrp culture has caused the degeneration of antag gimmick play styles & how it affects how people play & start conflicts, only to realize it made 0 sense given the context and sounded like deluded ramblingsLacran wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:37 amConflict is important in a round, but that's also why we have antags, if this person solely comes to the game to wordlessly create conflict they are just fabricating conflict so they can line toe self antagging.
The weak should fear the strong
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
Okay so this is absolutely ass. Reider shouldnt get QC'ed for not talking, yes he does deserve to get QC'ed but not just because he doesnt talk. HE DOES RP, ive played at least 10 rounds in recent times where he would RP, such as when there was lawyer overflow, and had a talk with a counselor. Ive played other games with him for like 2 months, he is a joy to be around. It will be sad not to see him on sybil for the rest of this term, the game will just be dull. We need some sort of conflict, hell ill be honest i do worst shit then THE reider meza. I full stripped a HoS for killing my dog, I gibbed 8 people in cross fire after a CE killed my dog. That shit should have got me banned but it didnt, SO FREE REIDER (or just put em on parole, he isnt that bad. you should just get used to it)
EDIT: reider knew his impending doom, so he made me buy em terraria and yomi hustle.
EDIT: reider knew his impending doom, so he made me buy em terraria and yomi hustle.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
I like Reider as a person, immensely I'm not too fond of his playstyle, all the choices he makes have turned his character in itself into a kill bait. Grabbing slips and a medkit and doing the do. His development has clearly been an upward trend (from sec that kills valids wordlessly), but from what I've seen of him, even recently, is a trend of stealing shoes, slipping people frequently, and then attacking them if they take his soap or peels and doesn't say a word. It's an extremely hard dynamic to get behind since if you try and fight him about it his Cheshire grin will grow to sizeable proportions and you'll probably get your dick kicked.
I want Maskenary to be part of the community, not Reider.
Reider represents rolling every antag type so you can murderbone every round.
Reider represents over-escalating situations and getting into these constant fights.
Reider represents a frustrating static that is almost synonymous with the tide.
It seems like a lot of people have faith in Maskenary, but the admins have exhausted the chances. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Maybe this shows that we should all think about how we play the game and how it affects others.
Maybe the real Reid was the friends we made along the way.
I want Maskenary to be part of the community, not Reider.
Reider represents rolling every antag type so you can murderbone every round.
Reider represents over-escalating situations and getting into these constant fights.
Reider represents a frustrating static that is almost synonymous with the tide.
It seems like a lot of people have faith in Maskenary, but the admins have exhausted the chances. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Maybe this shows that we should all think about how we play the game and how it affects others.
Maybe the real Reid was the friends we made along the way.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
He plays LOL so that explains it.Chadley wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:46 pm I like Reider as a person, immensely I'm not too fond of his playstyle, all the choices he makes have turned his character in itself into a kill bait. Grabbing slips and a medkit and doing the do. His development has clearly been an upward trend (from sec that kills valids wordlessly), but from what I've seen of him, even recently, is a trend of stealing shoes, slipping people frequently, and then attacking them if they take his soap or peels and doesn't say a word. It's an extremely hard dynamic to get behind since if you try and fight him about it his Cheshire grin will grow to sizeable proportions and you'll probably get your dick kicked.
I want Maskenary to be part of the community, not Reider.
Reider represents rolling every antag type so you can murderbone every round.
Reider represents over-escalating situations and getting into these constant fights.
Reider represents a frustrating static that is almost synonymous with the tide.
It seems like a lot of people have faith in Maskenary, but the admins have exhausted the chances. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Maybe this shows that we should all think about how we play the game and how it affects others.
Maybe the real Reid was the friends we made along the way.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
So it goes.
ALSO
We call that incriminating little bro.
When are we bringing back ban requests?
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Haven’t even had an experience with Reider before. I refuse to throw in my cents.
Cope.
Cope.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
Maybe the real Reid was the shadow legends we found along the way.
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No I am not going to apologize for that stupid joke.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
My only experiences with Reider was him starting a civil war after gulagging the captain and one round were he saved 2 heads of staff but in the process got so many people mad at sec it was insane.
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I said this on Timber's bans' peanut and I'll say it again: banning someone for no specific reason is deranged
Admins being afraid to take action is not a bad thing and it's weird that you speak as if it is. Those in power should fear the people, not the other way around.nianjiilical wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:22 am the fact that people will use this as an excuse to shit on vekter specifically, despite the fact that qc bans like this are something no admin would be confident trying to pull off without knowing they can convince a good amount of headmins/other admins, is a great example of why admins dont always have the balls to actually take action on players a lot of the time
I agree. Reider is just an average Terry assistant. Vekter is out of touch.
Greenshit has entered the chat. Self-antags save security's fun on greenshit rounds.
Absolutely. I was in a round recently where people were cheering in comms upon learning Reider had died, just because it's Reider. Not even Lisa Green gets this much hate.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:08 pm I can't tell you how many times ive observed reider and seen people fucking with him JUST BECAUSE ITS REIDER.
... because he is a victim, both of players undermining his "improvement" and now of admin abuse.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:19 pm there’s nothing defendable about reider so everyone here has devolved into making reider a victim
Who's the good headmin? Is it Misdoubtful or is it Kieth?
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
I refuse to interact with the rest of your post because it's stupid, but FYI there's a policy thread already up talking about removing greenshifts for this exact reason.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
Calling your opposition's remarks 'stupid' does not suddenly, magically, make you right nor does it replace a proper counter-argument.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
i deleted the entire paragraph in my realization but i can paraphrase itNoxVS wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:23 pmPlease share these deluded ramblings I’m genuinely interestedsaprasam wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:36 ami wrote an entire paragraph explaining how the lrp culture has caused the degeneration of antag gimmick play styles & how it affects how people play & start conflicts, only to realize it made 0 sense given the context and sounded like deluded ramblingsLacran wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:37 amConflict is important in a round, but that's also why we have antags, if this person solely comes to the game to wordlessly create conflict they are just fabricating conflict so they can line toe self antagging.
"it is worth noting that lrp servers have accidentally nurtured an environment where playing gimmicks or otherwise not efficiently will invariably get you killed, which has caused a noticable shift in how people perceive, play, and act as antags, and due to how a lot of the new players aren't incentivized to go loud or do... anything... it has caused a major shift in self-antagging to provide the means of any sort of ingame conflict.
this has the potential to explain why reider plays the way he does,if not for the fact that i went all the way to 2019 only to realize. "oh. he logged out of a ton of rounds before they even ended with minimal interaction in the first place."
i unfortunately do not remember the rest, but intern john's message has a very good statement of what i was intending to say, without the delusion from being sleep deprived
while kendrickorium also brings up a good point about how reider, when he isn't constantly being harassed for "being reider" is a generally amiable person to be around, and i have experienced this exact thing by interacting with him.InternJohn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:50 pm Honestly this ban makes no sense to me, he's an efficient player, I'd prefer him over a lot of other people I deal with on Sybil. Getting upset at Reider using terms like "i am testing new loadout...""MAGBOOT + ADVANCED INSUL" "+ BATON" in LRP is mind boggling to me. And yeah, I see people treat Reider badly all the time, to the point to where he had to alias a number of times to catch a break. People treat people badly just because they are good at the game. I see Dean get picked on for also being good at the game. There is this weird stigma when it comes to players who are actually GOOD at combat, and I end up experiencing it myself as well.
The game is brutal and it's coded to be brutal purposefully, the balance is not in favor of sitting there monologuing while 'sticking someone up' for 5 minutes. I myself have died at the hands of Reider valid hunting me once, when I tried to RP. I wanted to do a standoff with security, and Reider wordlessly snuck in behind me, bola'd me, and killed me with a cleaver. That taught me an important lesson more than anything about being more cautious. I was upset with Reider, but now I'm not. It's just part of the game, and that works against people who are good at it.
I watched Reider become better about all these complaints as I've known him and played with him. He WAS getting better, and I think it's entirely unfair that you've just been stalking him with a microscope waiting for him to slip up. I know a LOT of players who would get into trouble if you did that.
the fact that reider was banned for "not interacting in the roleplay game" is absurd to me. many people play in very similar ways, actively avoiding all interaction. there is zero ruling on people being banned for being player-averse.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:08 pmthis.vect0r wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:57 am More thoughts:
People don't want to be around Meza. It's pretty clear why, because everybody thinks they are a 'greytiding shit'. They get pretty much valided, and because of there reputation, it's ok, as it's 'just meza'. This toxic cycle of everything just shitting on Reider whenever they get brought up means they never really have a chance to roleplay. They have never been shown good RP, just collecting bans for not RPing, and I would assume they have tried once, and just got fucking dunked by everybody else.
if you can establish a pattern of NOT TREATING THEM LIKE A FUCKING MONGOLOID every encounter, they will very quickly lighten up
I can't tell you how many times ive observed reider and seen people fucking with him JUST BECAUSE ITS REIDER.
I can't tell you how many times ive witnessed players that should have been banned for metagrudging the guy IC.
the IC spreads to OOC which infests more and more IC
i've watched reider in command roles before and the fucking amount of literal ROVING BANDS OF TIDERS that fuck with him just "because its reider" rivals the amount that would go after dean ivanov, BOTH OF WHOM would ALSO go into departments and steal shit instead of asking for it. dean was ALSO just as mute when it comes to roleplay as Reider (sorry dean i love you)
TLDR-
Reiders banning is a result of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, also known as interpersonal expectancy effect, refers to the phenomenon whereby a person's or a group's expectation for the behavior of another person or group serves actually to bring about the prophesied or expected behavior.
the fact that he doesn't talk enough to make the admins happy should not be grounds for perma.
yes, he needs work as a player, and some of us are trying to get him there. let us cook longer. the fact that scriptis(the admin that sybil didn't know it needed) is trying to work with this guy should open up a lot of other admins' eyes.
he reminds me of how i played a few years ago. a greyshit with almost the exact same mindset.
hell, after a few years of not playing i came back with an entirely different mindset to playing ss13 [granted. i still validhunt but i do not go out of my way to be a monumental shitter unless i am pissed] (i think kendrick can also vouch for this because i remember them being around during the shitter era). in which case, i don't see why reider doesn't deserve the chance to come back, even with something like parole.
maybe the break is good for reider. he can come back in a year with a vouch and a different mindset
this still sounds like deluded and maddened ramblings
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
As I touched on in my previous post here, I believe Reider is a slave to his own reputation. People just antagonize him for no reason, I've been witness to this many times. I have never really ever had an issue with Reider, personally. I've played many shifts around him, I've fought against him, I've worked with him. He has never given me reason to dislike him or how he plays besides the SSD thing. Demanding some level of arbitrary 'You must RP THIS MUCH' quota is quite silly to me.
As I said, this ban just feels vicious and unfair to the man. I imagine if you put 80% of the Sybil players under a microscope you would find reasons to get rid of them, it's LRP. The best way to fix this perceived problem of chronic tiding is through gameplay changes, not administration, because ultimately the gameplay guides you into a mental state of silent killing and thievery.
As I said, this ban just feels vicious and unfair to the man. I imagine if you put 80% of the Sybil players under a microscope you would find reasons to get rid of them, it's LRP. The best way to fix this perceived problem of chronic tiding is through gameplay changes, not administration, because ultimately the gameplay guides you into a mental state of silent killing and thievery.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
The problem with this is that I don't care enough about your opinion to bother arguing against it.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
ekat singlehandedly disproves the broken clock theory by being wrong every time.
I however pick up the slack by being right every time.
Is Sisyphus happy?
I however pick up the slack by being right every time.
Is Sisyphus happy?
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Which doesn't make you right, only wilfully wrong... obviously.
You are right exactly zero percent of the time.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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I admire Ekaterina's willpower to be wrong all the time and die on every hill they stand.
I normally go by Ricky. Tell me how'd I do here. ⋆ 𝒯𝒶𝓀𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒶 𝓈𝒶𝒷𝒶𝓉𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁. ⋆
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink
You can repeat the lie that I'm wrong over and over as many times as you want and I'll still be right.
Plug your ears and cover your eyes while you do it so you can look even more like a child throwing a tantrum over hearing the truth that you dislike.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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