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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34269youre so true
Grab throwing people is fine unless its infront of the tram or into danger lol.kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:21 pm
Phoebe Mehlmotte, no prior attack logs. Only grabbed and thrown.
Quirky-Lizard, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, beat, knocked out, thrown.
Xil-Go, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, beat, knocked out, thrown. Returned and was beat, cuffed, robbed, crit, thrown. Returned and unsuccessfully tried to stop Owen.
Dank O'Honker, no prior attack logs. Only grabbed and thrown, twice.
Eternius Lament, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Only grabbed and thrown. Included for the sake of not leaving out information.
Jimmy Jimmy, prior fight. CQC used defensively, although Owen appears to be the aggressor in the prior fight.
Richard Walker, prior shoving. Just a CQC shove, not meaningful
Sergei Bobrov, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Only grabbed and thrown. Later shoved Owen multiple times, was CQCd into crit and thrown. Returned to the kitchen, knocked out and thrown.
Bites-The-Dust, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, knocked out, failed disposal attempt, slightly beat up. Attempted to arrest Owen, seemingly unsuccessfully.
Keith Alex, no prior attack logs. Slightly beat, grabbed, thrown.
Gregory Henderson, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Grabbed, knocked out, thrown.
my point is he attacked more than the one consenting guy and hes had problems with it in the past
What the fuckEzel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:36 pm can we mention how jimmy blew up whole kitchen in the same round from the service hallway location not knowing how much people he could've possibility killed as non antag and look at that what jimmy did over a fireaxe is compared nothing to what owen did troughout the whole round
Was it ignored? A simple “no” wouldn’t be leaking anything!TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:04 pmYou know why that wasnt mentioned? Because its not relevant, and you have no idea if it was ignored or not.
did you read this though? it’s all just grabs and throws with the odd “knockout.” willing to bet the “beat and knock out” was just a knockout since I think knocking out involves a combo that does a bit of damagekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:21 pmhe yells fuck liggers then to quote nox:my point is he attacked more than the one consenting guy and hes had problems with it in the pastNoxVS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:51 pm
because i looked at the logs and saw he CQCd a bunch of people FNR
do the others magically not count? Ignoring the one who said they were fine with it just, they CQCd:
Phoebe Mehlmotte, no prior attack logs. Only grabbed and thrown.
Quirky-Lizard, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, beat, knocked out, thrown.
Xil-Go, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, beat, knocked out, thrown. Returned and was beat, cuffed, robbed, crit, thrown. Returned and unsuccessfully tried to stop Owen.
Dank O'Honker, no prior attack logs. Only grabbed and thrown, twice.
Eternius Lament, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Only grabbed and thrown. Included for the sake of not leaving out information.
Jimmy Jimmy, prior fight. CQC used defensively, although Owen appears to be the aggressor in the prior fight.
Richard Walker, prior shoving. Just a CQC shove, not meaningful
Sergei Bobrov, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Only grabbed and thrown. Later shoved Owen multiple times, was CQCd into crit and thrown. Returned to the kitchen, knocked out and thrown.
Bites-The-Dust, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, knocked out, failed disposal attempt, slightly beat up. Attempted to arrest Owen, seemingly unsuccessfully.
Keith Alex, no prior attack logs. Slightly beat, grabbed, thrown.
Gregory Henderson, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Grabbed, knocked out, thrown.
archie kindly provided the logs in the appeal i dont need to paste them for the peanutsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:11 pmdid you read this though? it’s all just grabs and throws with the odd “knockout.” willing to bet the “beat and knock out” was just a knockout since I think knocking out involves a combo that does a bit of damagekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:21 pmhe yells fuck liggers then to quote nox:my point is he attacked more than the one consenting guy and hes had problems with it in the pastNoxVS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:51 pm
because i looked at the logs and saw he CQCd a bunch of people FNR
do the others magically not count? Ignoring the one who said they were fine with it just, they CQCd:
Phoebe Mehlmotte, no prior attack logs. Only grabbed and thrown.
Quirky-Lizard, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, beat, knocked out, thrown.
Xil-Go, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, beat, knocked out, thrown. Returned and was beat, cuffed, robbed, crit, thrown. Returned and unsuccessfully tried to stop Owen.
Dank O'Honker, no prior attack logs. Only grabbed and thrown, twice.
Eternius Lament, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Only grabbed and thrown. Included for the sake of not leaving out information.
Jimmy Jimmy, prior fight. CQC used defensively, although Owen appears to be the aggressor in the prior fight.
Richard Walker, prior shoving. Just a CQC shove, not meaningful
Sergei Bobrov, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Only grabbed and thrown. Later shoved Owen multiple times, was CQCd into crit and thrown. Returned to the kitchen, knocked out and thrown.
Bites-The-Dust, no prior attack logs. Grabbed, knocked out, failed disposal attempt, slightly beat up. Attempted to arrest Owen, seemingly unsuccessfully.
Keith Alex, no prior attack logs. Slightly beat, grabbed, thrown.
Gregory Henderson, no prior attack logs, in the kitchen at the time. Grabbed, knocked out, thrown.
when you actually go through this instead of just seeing it and going WTFFF CHEF ATTACC PPL FNR!!! :O you can see clearly it’s all fairly harmless aside from a couple which in context are normal, valid conflicts
I don't know, and I can't really be asked to find out when its as I said very very irrelevant to the chef permaban. What does a seperate player detonating a bomb have to do with Owens chef ban?sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:09 pmWas it ignored? A simple “no” wouldn’t be leaking anything!TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:04 pmYou know why that wasnt mentioned? Because its not relevant, and you have no idea if it was ignored or not.
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
I can go on a whole tangent here about bad-faith log posting. But I'll just keep it to ''the one guy on the list'' who was crit and robbed. I barred him from my area for being a lizard. He weldered a wall down, stole pete, broken down the temperature machine and gibber and stole their boards. He also kept coming back and was in on the situation himself and seemed to have fun.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:31 pm From what I can remember of the logs, knocking out wasn’t always tied to harm. There is a spot on the list that was knocked out but not beat.
Also, did we read the same list? Are you ignoring the one guy on the list who was crit and robbed? With absolutely no escalation? And before you say it, no, the rule where you can use greater consequences for someone who returns does not apply when they are in a public area you’ve arbitrarily slapped a tiny RDM sign on.
I think it's prolly cause legsweep involves beating once before the knockout (the sweep itself), whereas grab grab disarm knockout doesn't. Just a guess though
Did you purposely ignore the part where Xil-Go, the guy that got "crit and robbed" tried to sell Owen's fridge beforehand? Why are you just makin up the "no prior escalation" man. I'm not even payed to logdive and I found that with a ctrl+F "Xil-Go" in the appeal.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:31 pmAlso, did we read the same list? Are you ignoring the one guy on the list who was crit and robbed? With absolutely no escalation? And before you say it, no, the rule where you can use greater consequences for someone who returns does not apply when they are in a public area you’ve arbitrarily slapped a tiny RDM sign on.
1. Don't be a dick
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.Maxoess wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:36 pmI can go on a whole tangent here about bad-faith log posting. But I'll just keep it to ''the one guy on the list'' who was crit and robbed. I barred him from my area for being a lizard. He weldered a wall down, stole pete, broken down the temperature machine and gibber and stole their boards. He also kept coming back and was in on the situation himself and seemed to have fun.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:31 pm From what I can remember of the logs, knocking out wasn’t always tied to harm. There is a spot on the list that was knocked out but not beat.
Also, did we read the same list? Are you ignoring the one guy on the list who was crit and robbed? With absolutely no escalation? And before you say it, no, the rule where you can use greater consequences for someone who returns does not apply when they are in a public area you’ve arbitrarily slapped a tiny RDM sign on.
If you want to get rid of me, at least just ban me just because and be honest about it. But don't be this bad faith actor where facts and context are misconstrued to the point where it's almost some real life court case where I need a lawyer to sue for lible
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
I'm sure it's like talking to a wall. There's not really an argument here, it's more like a popularity contest. You don't really want to hear me, but just keep adding fuel to the fire. But for the sake of it since I posted my original comment. Again, Xil-Go kept coming back, to the point of welding down my freezer walls, dismanteling my machines, stealing the boards, kidnapping pete and then proceeding to roleplay a pete kidnapping with me.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:05 pmAs a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.Maxoess wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:36 pmI can go on a whole tangent here about bad-faith log posting. But I'll just keep it to ''the one guy on the list'' who was crit and robbed. I barred him from my area for being a lizard. He weldered a wall down, stole pete, broken down the temperature machine and gibber and stole their boards. He also kept coming back and was in on the situation himself and seemed to have fun.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:31 pm From what I can remember of the logs, knocking out wasn’t always tied to harm. There is a spot on the list that was knocked out but not beat.
Also, did we read the same list? Are you ignoring the one guy on the list who was crit and robbed? With absolutely no escalation? And before you say it, no, the rule where you can use greater consequences for someone who returns does not apply when they are in a public area you’ve arbitrarily slapped a tiny RDM sign on.
If you want to get rid of me, at least just ban me just because and be honest about it. But don't be this bad faith actor where facts and context are misconstrued to the point where it's almost some real life court case where I need a lawyer to sue for lible
If you are wronged, you are expected to handle the conflict non-lethally whenever possible, escalating in severity as the conflict continues. As the defending party the rate of escalation increases with you, up to and including violence, while the instigator is always able to respond in kind.
If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other, unless they have reason to believe the other was an antagonist.
have you hit your head
Intentionally starting conflict with someone isn't synonymous with negatively impacting their round. In this case it had an observably positive impact on their roundNoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:03 pm We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
an issue i've noticed more on Terry than other servs, admins like Kubi have a very different view of the game than most Terry players. kind of more strict and want less conflict/fights. they enforce based on that and focus on "problem players" like Owen who enjoy making fun conflicts. meanwhile others get away with things like bombing the kitchen simply because theyre not in the "problem player" list which i think shows the bias pretty well
Instead of mindlessly quoting the rules you should make an argument as to why enforcing them in this instance helped make the game more fun, because that's what the rules are actually supposed to accomplish, ideallyNoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:05 pm As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.
If you are wronged, you are expected to handle the conflict non-lethally whenever possible, escalating in severity as the conflict continues. As the defending party the rate of escalation increases with you, up to and including violence, while the instigator is always able to respond in kind.
If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other, unless they have reason to believe the other was an antagonist.
fair enough good pointsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:39 pman issue i've noticed more on Terry than other servs, admins like Kubi have a very different view of the game than most Terry players. kind of more strict and want less conflict/fights. they enforce based on that and focus on "problem players" like Owen who enjoy making fun conflicts. meanwhile others get away with things like bombing the kitchen simply because theyre not in the "problem player" list which i think shows the bias pretty well
maxoess has defended his actions already, a bunch of admins have come in with empty posts just saying "logs show man bad" even after he's provided context to them. or just copypasting rules lol
that can be frustrating to read as the player who's put in effort explaining the context of his actions and giving reasonable defenses, to have his defense completely ignored as if he never wrote them
it's a real pack-mentality mindset and shows a lack of interest in engaging seriously with the evidence and facts of the appeal
I'll chip in here with something, whilst I found it pretty cringe for you to go up and IC talk about being bwoinked (different words yadayada) when I saw you asking Xil-go they didnt think the situation was bwoink worthy or they at least didnt express it ICMaxoess wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:20 pmI'm sure it's like talking to a wall. There's not really an argument here, it's more like a popularity contest. You don't really want to hear me, but just keep adding fuel to the fire. But for the sake of it since I posted my original comment. Again, Xil-Go kept coming back, to the point of welding down my freezer walls, dismanteling my machines, stealing the boards, kidnapping pete and then proceeding to roleplay a pete kidnapping with me.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:05 pmAs a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Whomever you engage is entitled to respond to your actions. If the conflict leads to violence and you had a poor reason for causing conflict in the first place, you may face administrative action.Maxoess wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:36 pmI can go on a whole tangent here about bad-faith log posting. But I'll just keep it to ''the one guy on the list'' who was crit and robbed. I barred him from my area for being a lizard. He weldered a wall down, stole pete, broken down the temperature machine and gibber and stole their boards. He also kept coming back and was in on the situation himself and seemed to have fun.NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:31 pm From what I can remember of the logs, knocking out wasn’t always tied to harm. There is a spot on the list that was knocked out but not beat.
Also, did we read the same list? Are you ignoring the one guy on the list who was crit and robbed? With absolutely no escalation? And before you say it, no, the rule where you can use greater consequences for someone who returns does not apply when they are in a public area you’ve arbitrarily slapped a tiny RDM sign on.
If you want to get rid of me, at least just ban me just because and be honest about it. But don't be this bad faith actor where facts and context are misconstrued to the point where it's almost some real life court case where I need a lawyer to sue for lible
If you are wronged, you are expected to handle the conflict non-lethally whenever possible, escalating in severity as the conflict continues. As the defending party the rate of escalation increases with you, up to and including violence, while the instigator is always able to respond in kind.
If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other, unless they have reason to believe the other was an antagonist.
He got hurt after by me because of this, but I promised not to kill him if he told me where Pete was and I kept my word. To me this is two players interacting and roleplaying with each other (god forbid). Then when some one tried to kill him I fought off the attacker and made sure he got medical treatment. He was an active participant in this whole situation and did not object to it as far as I know and seemed to enjoy it. I take this from his actions and his words later.
So either you want to bubblewrap the game to the point where nothing can happen because the rules are black and white. Or you're being malicious by ignoring facts and throwing the ruleset at a situation.
Especially ignoring what started the ban, which was lizard-man. I appreciate the amount of admins coming on here to try to character assassinate me and change the narrative from the original bwoink, but it's not that charming. Like I said, at least just be honest about your intentions. At least one did so in here.
TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 pm I'll chip in here with something, whilst I found it pretty cringe for you to go up and IC talk about being bwoinked (different words yadayada) when I saw you asking Xil-go they didnt think the situation was bwoink worthy or they at least didnt express it IC
he was responding to Xil-go asking if he got in trouble. lizman brought it up. this is straight from the appealLizardistaken wrote:or where it's said "you should know better than to talk about ticket IC", despite the fact that I had first asked Owen if he had gotten into trouble IC.
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02:26:21 SAY Sk1Wass3r/(Phoebe Mehlmotte) "owen lore" (135, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:26:40 SAY Imaybelikemen/(Quirky-Lizard) "we hate owen" (133, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:26:44 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "NO LIGGERS" (135, 134, 2) Bar Lounge
02:26:45 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "ALLOWED" (135, 134, 2) Bar Lounge
02:27:09 SAY Imaybelikemen/(Quirky-Lizard) "we hate owen" (126, 133, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:27:16 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "for the time being until I change my mind for no reason" (135, 130, 2) Bar Lounge
02:27:39 SAY Imaybelikemen/(Quirky-Lizard) "owen" (122, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:28:01 SAY Sk1Wass3r/(Phoebe Mehlmotte) "owen" (133, 133, 2) Bar Lounge
02:28:06 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "READ THE SIGN" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:28:08 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "NO" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:28:09 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "LIGGERS" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:28:13 SAY Sk1Wass3r/(Phoebe Mehlmotte) "on a scale of 1 to 10 how racist are you feeling today" (131, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:28:20 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "7 and a half" (136, 129, 2) Bar Lounge
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txtsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:59 pmTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 pm I'll chip in here with something, whilst I found it pretty cringe for you to go up and IC talk about being bwoinked (different words yadayada) when I saw you asking Xil-go they didnt think the situation was bwoink worthy or they at least didnt express it IChe was responding to Xil-go asking if he got in trouble. lizman brought it up. this is straight from the appealLizardistaken wrote:or where it's said "you should know better than to talk about ticket IC", despite the fact that I had first asked Owen if he had gotten into trouble IC.
Ban rage cages please
well the admin`s remaining arguement hinges on them not having fun so I`d like to see more than "they seemed to have fun" and if all thats true.
On the contrary, Nox's reply here was great. The answer to the question was so obvious that he could, and did, answer it with a simple copy-paste of the rules. It's funny.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:18 pm Nox.exe has stopped working. Defaulting to posting rules as a gotcha
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
You know I am raise an issue with that. Owen didn't even bother to reply back into his own appeal to explain his actions or ask the better questions. Funny that he wants to remain "polite and on his tip toes" and yet he is unwilling to compromise a bit with his actions. But... what gets me is that Owen is here on a peanut that y'all started before the appeal and he still presses on you, sinful to defend his dick ish actions. I would implore the pair of you, to go to the important appeal, instead of the almighty peanut.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:39 pman issue i've noticed more on Terry than other servs, admins like Kubi have a very different view of the game than most Terry players. kind of more strict and want less conflict/fights. they enforce based on that and focus on "problem players" like Owen who enjoy making fun conflicts. meanwhile others get away with things like bombing the kitchen simply because theyre not in the "problem player" list which i think shows the bias pretty well
maxoess has defended his actions already, a bunch of admins have come in with empty posts just saying "logs show man bad" even after he's provided context to them. or just copypasting rules lol
that can be frustrating to read as the player who's put in effort explaining the context of his actions and giving reasonable defenses, to have his defense completely ignored as if he never wrote them
it's a real pack-mentality mindset and shows a lack of interest in engaging seriously with the evidence and facts of the appeal
scroll up earlier and find out who brought it up first. according to Owen the lizard brought it up asking if he got in trouble to which he responded, the way you phrased it made it sound like he just randomly started talking about getting bwoinkedTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:38 pmhttps://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txtsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:59 pmTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 pm I'll chip in here with something, whilst I found it pretty cringe for you to go up and IC talk about being bwoinked (different words yadayada) when I saw you asking Xil-go they didnt think the situation was bwoink worthy or they at least didnt express it IChe was responding to Xil-go asking if he got in trouble. lizman brought it up. this is straight from the appealLizardistaken wrote:or where it's said "you should know better than to talk about ticket IC", despite the fact that I had first asked Owen if he had gotten into trouble IC.
In regards to the IC ticket stuff:
[2023-06-18 15:24:15.334] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "ghost watch them" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:23.298] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "watch me" (Central Primary Hallway (88,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:24.791] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "a lot" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:31.381] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "probably just waiting for a reason" (Central Primary Hallway (88,135,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:57.034] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "meanwhile jimmy just grenaded me over a fireaxe" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:27:42.150] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "also I got gods now" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:27:49.741] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "breathing in my neck because I crit lizard-man" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:27:58.061] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "even though lizard-man thoguht it was funny and didnt complain" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:05.345] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "so thats kinda amazing" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:11.408] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "to find a reason" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:14.545] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "I assume" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
Xil-Go's conversation with Owen and Lizard-Man (not counting emotes):
[2023-06-18 15:28:36.635] GAME-SAY: WILL_IT_CRUNCH/(Xil-Go) "if both partys are okay" (Central Primary Hallway (86,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:39.161] GAME-SAY: WILL_IT_CRUNCH/(Xil-Go) "then should be okay" (Central Primary Hallway (86,144,2))
Kubi literally just said, “i can reword it if you want but this ban is in line with [includes unrelated ban] so i will keep it. i have called headmins and gathering more info.”iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pmYou know I am raise an issue with that. Owen didn't even bother to reply back into his own appeal to explain his actions or ask the better questions. Funny that he wants to remain "polite and on his tip toes" and yet he is unwilling to compromise a bit with his actions. But... what gets me is that Owen is here on a peanut that y'all started before the appeal and he still presses on you, sinful to defend his dick ish actions. I would implore the pair of you, to go to the important appeal, instead of the almighty peanut.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:39 pman issue i've noticed more on Terry than other servs, admins like Kubi have a very different view of the game than most Terry players. kind of more strict and want less conflict/fights. they enforce based on that and focus on "problem players" like Owen who enjoy making fun conflicts. meanwhile others get away with things like bombing the kitchen simply because theyre not in the "problem player" list which i think shows the bias pretty well
maxoess has defended his actions already, a bunch of admins have come in with empty posts just saying "logs show man bad" even after he's provided context to them. or just copypasting rules lol
that can be frustrating to read as the player who's put in effort explaining the context of his actions and giving reasonable defenses, to have his defense completely ignored as if he never wrote them
it's a real pack-mentality mindset and shows a lack of interest in engaging seriously with the evidence and facts of the appeal
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txtsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:00 amscroll up earlier and find out who brought it up first. according to Owen the lizard brought it up asking if he got in trouble to which he responded, the way you phrased it made it sound like he just randomly started talking about getting bwoinkedTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:38 pmhttps://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txtsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:59 pmTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 pm I'll chip in here with something, whilst I found it pretty cringe for you to go up and IC talk about being bwoinked (different words yadayada) when I saw you asking Xil-go they didnt think the situation was bwoink worthy or they at least didnt express it IChe was responding to Xil-go asking if he got in trouble. lizman brought it up. this is straight from the appealLizardistaken wrote:or where it's said "you should know better than to talk about ticket IC", despite the fact that I had first asked Owen if he had gotten into trouble IC.
In regards to the IC ticket stuff:
[2023-06-18 15:24:15.334] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "ghost watch them" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:23.298] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "watch me" (Central Primary Hallway (88,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:24.791] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "a lot" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:31.381] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "probably just waiting for a reason" (Central Primary Hallway (88,135,2))
[2023-06-18 15:24:57.034] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "meanwhile jimmy just grenaded me over a fireaxe" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:27:42.150] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "also I got gods now" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:27:49.741] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "breathing in my neck because I crit lizard-man" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:27:58.061] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "even though lizard-man thoguht it was funny and didnt complain" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:05.345] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "so thats kinda amazing" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:11.408] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "to find a reason" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:14.545] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "I assume" (Central Primary Hallway (87,144,2))
Xil-Go's conversation with Owen and Lizard-Man (not counting emotes):
[2023-06-18 15:28:36.635] GAME-SAY: WILL_IT_CRUNCH/(Xil-Go) "if both partys are okay" (Central Primary Hallway (86,144,2))
[2023-06-18 15:28:39.161] GAME-SAY: WILL_IT_CRUNCH/(Xil-Go) "then should be okay" (Central Primary Hallway (86,144,2))
this is a different conversation with a different person than the one you initially brought upTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:05 am https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txt
According to logs it seems like Owen brought it up
[2023-06-18 15:23:26.816] GAME-EMOTE: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) points at Lizard-Man (Port Primary Hallway (82,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:29.847] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "You no longer feel perfectly healthy." (Central Primary Hallway (87,136,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:32.267] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "me when" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:39.189] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "getting problems for something" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:44.436] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "you don't mind" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:45.736] GAME-EMOTE: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:48.538] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "amazing" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:51.603] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "they messaged me randomly" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:54.008] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "about it" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
*From the logs I checked out this seems like the start of the conversation, it may be elsewhere but Lizard-Mans previous say logs relate to CQC and such. No mention of gods or "They"
Sorta? They keep conversing for a while and eventually move upwards towards the vacant comissary/cargo area where they have a conversation with xil-go. I would consider this the start of the mentioning ticket IC though it 100% gets worse later.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:36 amthis is a different conversation with a different person than the one you initially brought upTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:05 am https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txt
According to logs it seems like Owen brought it up
[2023-06-18 15:23:26.816] GAME-EMOTE: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) points at Lizard-Man (Port Primary Hallway (82,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:29.847] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "You no longer feel perfectly healthy." (Central Primary Hallway (87,136,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:32.267] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "me when" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:39.189] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "getting problems for something" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:44.436] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "you don't mind" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:45.736] GAME-EMOTE: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:48.538] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "amazing" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:51.603] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "they messaged me randomly" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:54.008] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "about it" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
*From the logs I checked out this seems like the start of the conversation, it may be elsewhere but Lizard-Mans previous say logs relate to CQC and such. No mention of gods or "They"
That's a bad question. Someone can bomb you without you having done anything at all to that person, if, for example, that someone is a traitor and you're a kill objective.iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pm Again, I ask "why would someone go out of their way to bomb you." what actions do you, as that receiving end, have to do to get to that point of conflict. If that answer isn't "to shortcut around stun or melee combat," then I don't think we could get to an understanding.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
I believe what I have asked is the right question in Owen's case. You might not know, but he regularly gets bombed by non-antags and antags. I am just curious of what actions does he take.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:01 amThat's a bad question. Someone can bomb you without you having done anything at all to that person, if, for example, that someone is a traitor and you're a kill objective.iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pm Again, I ask "why would someone go out of their way to bomb you." what actions do you, as that receiving end, have to do to get to that point of conflict. If that answer isn't "to shortcut around stun or melee combat," then I don't think we could get to an understanding.
except that person was a nonantagekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:01 amThat's a bad question. Someone can bomb you without you having done anything at all to that person, if, for example, that someone is a traitor and you're a kill objective.iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pm Again, I ask "why would someone go out of their way to bomb you." what actions do you, as that receiving end, have to do to get to that point of conflict. If that answer isn't "to shortcut around stun or melee combat," then I don't think we could get to an understanding.
Is being a bomb magnet for being an abrasive ass a bad thing though? Depending on the bomb, that'd be administrative action on the party throwing the bomb.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:26 amI believe what I have asked is the right question in Owen's case. You might not know, but he regularly gets bombed by non-antags and antags. I am just curious of what actions does he take.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:01 amThat's a bad question. Someone can bomb you without you having done anything at all to that person, if, for example, that someone is a traitor and you're a kill objective.iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pm Again, I ask "why would someone go out of their way to bomb you." what actions do you, as that receiving end, have to do to get to that point of conflict. If that answer isn't "to shortcut around stun or melee combat," then I don't think we could get to an understanding.
There might be earlier logs (found em)TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:00 amSorta? They keep conversing for a while and eventually move upwards towards the vacant comissary/cargo area where they have a conversation with xil-go. I would consider this the start of the mentioning ticket IC though it 100% gets worse later.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:36 amthis is a different conversation with a different person than the one you initially brought upTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:05 am https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 2/game.txt
According to logs it seems like Owen brought it up
[2023-06-18 15:23:26.816] GAME-EMOTE: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) points at Lizard-Man (Port Primary Hallway (82,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:29.847] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "You no longer feel perfectly healthy." (Central Primary Hallway (87,136,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:32.267] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "me when" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:39.189] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "getting problems for something" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:44.436] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "you don't mind" (Port Primary Hallway (85,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:45.736] GAME-EMOTE: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:48.538] GAME-SAY: Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "amazing" (Central Primary Hallway (88,134,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:51.603] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "they messaged me randomly" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
[2023-06-18 15:23:54.008] GAME-SAY: DaliIsTaken/(Lizard-Man) "about it" (Central Primary Hallway (87,133,2))
*From the logs I checked out this seems like the start of the conversation, it may be elsewhere but Lizard-Mans previous say logs relate to CQC and such. No mention of gods or "They"
So I did a larger analysis of it by using Notepad++ and marking "Owen", "McShain", "Bar", "Kitchen", "Daliistaken" and "Jimmy Jimmy" and it resulted in a log quagmire.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 pm man some of y'all are way out of touch. i don't even play terry much but how can you read these logs and not see it was obviously a fun little bit people were participating in?Also i have to say, sort of lazy logposting by Archie this time around, looks like she just filtered for "Owen" which unfortunately misses everything everyone else said that doesn't have "Owen" in itCode: Select all
02:26:21 SAY Sk1Wass3r/(Phoebe Mehlmotte) "owen lore" (135, 132, 2) Bar Lounge 02:26:40 SAY Imaybelikemen/(Quirky-Lizard) "we hate owen" (133, 132, 2) Bar Lounge 02:26:44 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "NO LIGGERS" (135, 134, 2) Bar Lounge 02:26:45 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "ALLOWED" (135, 134, 2) Bar Lounge 02:27:09 SAY Imaybelikemen/(Quirky-Lizard) "we hate owen" (126, 133, 2) Central Primary Hallway 02:27:16 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "for the time being until I change my mind for no reason" (135, 130, 2) Bar Lounge 02:27:39 SAY Imaybelikemen/(Quirky-Lizard) "owen" (122, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway 02:28:01 SAY Sk1Wass3r/(Phoebe Mehlmotte) "owen" (133, 133, 2) Bar Lounge 02:28:06 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "READ THE SIGN" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge 02:28:08 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "NO" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge 02:28:09 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "LIGGERS" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge 02:28:13 SAY Sk1Wass3r/(Phoebe Mehlmotte) "on a scale of 1 to 10 how racist are you feeling today" (131, 132, 2) Bar Lounge 02:28:20 SAY Maxoess/(Owen McShain) "7 and a half" (136, 129, 2) Bar Lounge
My skirt is too short.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:26 amI believe what I have asked is the right question in Owen's case. You might not know, but he regularly gets bombed by non-antags and antags. I am just curious of what actions does he take.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:01 amThat's a bad question. Someone can bomb you without you having done anything at all to that person, if, for example, that someone is a traitor and you're a kill objective.iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pm Again, I ask "why would someone go out of their way to bomb you." what actions do you, as that receiving end, have to do to get to that point of conflict. If that answer isn't "to shortcut around stun or melee combat," then I don't think we could get to an understanding.
Just get a longer jumpskirt, then.Maxoess wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:37 pmMy skirt is too short.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:26 amI believe what I have asked is the right question in Owen's case. You might not know, but he regularly gets bombed by non-antags and antags. I am just curious of what actions does he take.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:01 amThat's a bad question. Someone can bomb you without you having done anything at all to that person, if, for example, that someone is a traitor and you're a kill objective.iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:46 pm Again, I ask "why would someone go out of their way to bomb you." what actions do you, as that receiving end, have to do to get to that point of conflict. If that answer isn't "to shortcut around stun or melee combat," then I don't think we could get to an understanding.
My bad, I reread and I found out that was on Jimmy since he attacked you with the axe and got it confiscated twice for thatMaxoess wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:26 pmIf you're going to post logs, don't be disengengous. If you would look into the logs you could find out why Jimmy decided to escalate to bombing an entire department to the ground (hint: it wasn't a good or valid reason). At this point you're peanut posting with this assumption to push a narrative you believe in.Archie700 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:33 pm The reason for length was because how long the entire incident took (basically most of Owen's round was him fighting), his most frequent victim being Lizard-Man (thus his entire say logs were included) and Jimmy bombing the kitchen (probably related to multiple CQCs and people asking him to cook food)
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