Ban type: forum
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason:
Your side of the story: I started by making a cordial reply to admin Dendy over the Misdoubtful warning message. I expressed my disagreement in a respectful manner:
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To which he replied in an incredibly hostile manner:
viewtopic.php?p=698926#p698926dendydoom wrote:i know you dislike it. it's quite apparent that you don't like anyone asking anything of you, ever.[...]is it trampling on your sacred rights that much to ask "please don't piss on the floor in this thread, and if you want to do that, go make your own thread to piss in"?[...]yes, agreed. it's exhausting to have to explain things that should be simple.
Now, I know I am not the paragon of civility or anything, but when I engage civilly, I expect civility in return. Since I wasn't given this, I replied thusly:
viewtopic.php?p=698929#p698929sinfulbliss wrote:stopped reading here. learn to have a respectful dialogue before you engage <3dendydoom wrote:i know you dislike it. it's quite apparent that you don't like anyone asking anything of you, ever.
I am merely stating that I am not engaging if he cannot be civil.
To which Dendy replied:
viewtopic.php?p=698930#p698930dendydoom wrote:thank goodness, i wouldn't want you to hurt yourself thinking about it too hard.
I read this immature little jab and realized civility was out the window. So I replied in kind, that I would not be surprised if in 3 years she came out saying she had only just turned 18 like many admins do.
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To which oranges replied,
viewtopic.php?p=698947#p698947oranges wrote:well at least they will grow up to act like an adult, unlike you sinful
At which point I said what got me banned, linked in the ban reason.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
I was not the one to stir up drama -- as you can see I began the discussion civilly; things were made unpleasant and stirred up by others, and I replied in kind.There is an expected level of civility in posting here. Going out of your way to stir up drama and/or otherwise make things unpleasant for everyone may result in getting kicked out of the Player's Club.
What would you have liked me to say exactly? "Dear oranges, I do disagree with your post stating that I have not yet grown up to be an adult."You can disagree with someone without being a hostile douchebag.
If I am insulted I am going to reply in kind. It is perplexing to me that an admin and headcoder are allowed to say whatever they want, regardless of the hostility and tenor of their posts, but the moment I bite back, the gavel slams down.
Every rule that was cited against me in the ban reason can be applied to oranges' post. I find it unfair that I should be banned when I began the entire discussion civilly.
Was my reply an escalation? Of course, I will concede that. But I did not say anything untruthful -- you yourself had handled oranges' adminbus ban appeal, and I think you would agree I didn't say anything untrue, only uncomfortable and certainly unpleasant, which is to be fair against this rule. But it was not made to stir things up, to create drama and soil the atmosphere; it was made in reply to an attack made against me, which I did not begin or even invite. This should be a mitigating factor to take into consideration here.
Anything else we should know: I don't think the chances are good that you reverse your decision, so what I would like to appeal for is that the permanent Players Club ban expire with the forum softban, or that the softban could expire when the headmin threads are out so I can engage (in a civil manner!) with those.