A Mime’s Misdeeds

[RedBaronFlyer]

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[BONERMASTER]

Just saying guys, but if I was that mime, I'd stuff my backpack with the maximum amount of bombs possible in the videogame of SS13 that is being the context of this discussion, and give that doctor a real tight hug before deleting them and their entire department.

Of course, this is all just hyopthetical, because I will never play a mime and have no interest of doing so. But just saying! And also, you're being honest to god cowards with this escalation policy: If you're already going to void someone's life over something as trite as using their voice, at least let them fight back against all the idiots that are coming for them. It's only fair!


With emotional regards
-BONERMASTER

[TheRex9001]

Talking Mimes dont deserve revenge. Using your voice is the one fucking thing you can’t do as a mime, simple as. Also talking mimes should get a 15min role ban for every word spoken but thats a seperate issue.

[dirk_mcblade]

I've never been opposed to valids fighting back lethally but apparently the admin concern is kill baiting or something?
And I am okay with admins talking to people and not noting them. I guess maybe if they log off make it a temporary note or just not note them at all. If all ot takes not to note someone is them replying "ok" maybe you shouldn't note them either if they log off?
Just seems unclear to me why some notes are removable.

[dendydoom]

in all honesty, i've never been a huge fan of people dropping everything to kill someone because they did something harmless that makes them valid. we try not to encourage this sort of kill hungry behaviour in other circumstances, but then in a handful of situations we totally allow it. it sometimes seems to demand that we ignore all the nuance around a situation when otherwise it would be part of our due diligence to consider that nuance. sometimes it helps the ss13 style fun of a situation to relax escalation for something that makes sense, but a lot of the time these situations are people out for blood just because the rules said they're allowed to do so, disconnected from any tangible IC reasoning.

however, on the other hand, the mime spoke. kill them. parade their body through the streets as a warning for all.

[Sightld2]

Just seems unclear to me why some notes are removable.

I felt like it

[Sightld2]

if I fought to keep it, Kieth might've had to read all that

[BrolyButterfingers]

in all honesty, i've never been a huge fan of people dropping everything to kill someone because they did something harmless that makes them valid. we try not to encourage this sort of kill hungry behaviour in other circumstances, but then in a handful of situations we totally allow it. it sometimes seems to demand that we ignore all the nuance around a situation when otherwise it would be part of our due diligence to consider that nuance. sometimes it helps the ss13 style fun of a situation to relax escalation for something that makes sense, but a lot of the time these situations are people out for blood just because the rules said they're allowed to do so, disconnected from any tangible IC reasoning.

however, on the other hand, the mime spoke. kill them. parade their body through the streets as a warning for all.

There are three things that flip my switch like I'm a fucking sleeper agent being activated and I become a validhunting NPC until it's resolved: Space Dragons, people who say slurs, and talking mimes.

I will forever die on the "Mimes getting their ass beat for talking makes well-timed choices to talk far funnier" hill and vow to defend the institution of mime beatings to my very last breath.

[BrolyButterfingers]

I also beat the shit out of clowns who take off their shoes so they can run faster.

[Justice12354]

I also beat the shit out of clowns who take off their shoes so they can run faster.

Beware:

make clowns who take off their shoes valid
the only thing wrong with this is that people could remove shoes to make said clown valid, I have a suggestion for that but that's more a coding thing.

No thanks.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: No.
Phuzzylodgik: No.
TWATICUS: No.

Taken from here.

Unless I'm mistaken and you can find a more recent ruling saying otherwise, please do not kill Clowns for the sole reason of them taking their shoes off.

On a less serious note, clown shoes make you slower?

[BrolyButterfingers]

I also beat the shit out of clowns who take off their shoes so they can run faster.

Beware:

make clowns who take off their shoes valid
the only thing wrong with this is that people could remove shoes to make said clown valid, I have a suggestion for that but that's more a coding thing.

No thanks.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: No.
Phuzzylodgik: No.
TWATICUS: No.

Taken from here.

Unless I'm mistaken and you can find a more recent ruling saying otherwise, please do not kill Clowns for the sole reason of them taking their shoes off.

On a less serious note, clown shoes make you slower?

I know about this ruling, I do it anyway because I think it's incredibly funny (and also invite it upon myself when I play clown). A sacrifice I am willing to make for comedy.

[Justice12354]

I also beat the shit out of clowns who take off their shoes so they can run faster.

<ruling>

Unless I'm mistaken and you can find a more recent ruling saying otherwise, please do not kill Clowns for the sole reason of them taking their shoes off.

On a less serious note, clown shoes make you slower?

I know about this ruling, I do it anyway because I think it's incredibly funny (and also invite it upon myself when I play clown). A sacrifice I am willing to make for comedy.

Funny.
I do feel sad when I see a Clown with their shoes off. Like, why would you not want to waddle around and make funny honk noises?

[Jacquerel]

the only good time to take off clown shoes is to replace them with meown shoes or ducky shoes

[Not-Dorsidarf]

killing a mime for breaking their vow is stupid unless they're breaking their vow to say something shitty

it was literally added as a ruling on the spot by the griefer headmin term out of the blue and everyone just went along with it. We spent years removing "annoying thing that makes you valid to the whole crew" policies then as soon as ones added back in people started salivating for free kills all over again

[Super Aggro Crag]

killing a mime for breaking their vow is stupid unless they're breaking their vow to say something shitty

it was literally added as a ruling on the spot by the griefer headmin term out of the blue and everyone just went along with it. We spent years removing "annoying thing that makes you valid to the whole crew" policies then as soon as ones added back in people started salivating for free kills all over again

which was the griefer headmin term? please help me to recollect i am old

[Striders13]

killing a mime for breaking their vow is stupid unless they're breaking their vow to say something shitty

it was literally added as a ruling on the spot by the griefer headmin term out of the blue and everyone just went along with it. We spent years removing "annoying thing that makes you valid to the whole crew" policies then as soon as ones added back in people started salivating for free kills all over again

which was the griefer headmin term? please help me to recollect i am old

all of them

[dirk_mcblade]

killing a mime for breaking their vow is stupid unless they're breaking their vow to say something shitty

it was literally added as a ruling on the spot by the griefer headmin term out of the blue and everyone just went along with it. We spent years removing "annoying thing that makes you valid to the whole crew" policies then as soon as ones added back in people started salivating for free kills all over again

I thought it was based on a law in France

[nianjiilical]

on one hand i dont think round removal for vow breaking is a good idea but on the other hand i feel like mime is essentially a challenge class the same way clown is (clumsiness) and having a social punishment for abandoning the challenge isn't an inherently bad thing, and being de-tounged for it isnt something i would personally note the other party over as long as they arent like, de-tounging and nuggeting and stripping you naked and throwing you into disposals and effectively completely ruining your whole round (unless you're just taking mime and going HEY LOOK AT ME IM TALKING COME KILL ME in which case im going to knot your shoes as soon as anyone with a baseball bat approached)

if you pick mime theres an expectation that you're opting into playing on hard mode, i think if you break your vow you have to make sure the way you do it is funny/"""epic""" enough that people forgive you for doing it

[WineAllWine]

The fact that crew go mental at talking mimes like someone activated a bottle of mayhem is just hands down funny and is exactly the kind of interaction I want in my funny spaceman game. Like, coders could remove the ability of mimes to speak at all and that would be sad because we'd lose that.

I would've hands down rejected the appeal based on word count alone.

[Donglesplonge]

mime being more difficult is fine but clowns should get the exact same treatment in the form of a vote at the end of the round which asks if they were funny or not

this does nothing, except for if the clown gets less than a 20% approval rating, at which they are jobbanned for a week

why its good for the game: it'd be funnier than most clowns

[oranges]

There are occasionally funny clowns though so it evens out.

[kayozz]

I'm of the opinion that security who deliberately antagonise the Mime / baiting them into talking should also have their tongues ripped out and deep-fried. Shit-sec can really bring out the worst type of frustration in any player. Being unable to defend yourself/talk makes it all the worse.
And yes, I do understand Mimes shouldn't talk. But I've personally been the victim of sadistic shit-sec myself and sadly understand full well how frustrating it is to be caught in a situation that doesn't really warrant admin help but also puts you in a situation that you cannot really get out of IC'ly. Admins will tell you to fuck off, shit-sec know this and will just abuse their power to bait Mimes into talking.

Not an uncommon situation. At least from personal experience.

[dendydoom]

I'm of the opinion that security who deliberately antagonise the Mime / baiting them into talking should also have their tongues ripped out and deep-fried. Shit-sec can really bring out the worst type of frustration in any player. Being unable to defend yourself/talk makes it all the worse.
And yes, I do understand Mimes shouldn't talk. But I've personally been the victim of sadistic shit-sec myself and sadly understand full well how frustrating it is to be caught in a situation that doesn't really warrant admin help but also puts you in a situation that you cannot really get out of IC'ly. Admins will tell you to fuck off, shit-sec know this and will just abuse their power to bait Mimes into talking.

Not an uncommon situation. At least from personal experience.

this is definitely frustrating. for what it's worth, a relatively recent headmin ruling was made regarding this, which asks admins to consider a player's reasonable IC choices when under the thumb of sec's escalation: viewtopic.php?p=689250#p689250

When a meta-protected player initiaties a conflict, admins should keep in mind before IC issuing it what realistic IC actions the player can take to resolve it. Be cautious if your decision is indirectly forcing them to just suck up and take the meta-protected player's behaviour because the only reasonable alternatives lead to death.

[kayozz]

That's reassuring to know dendydoom. Thanks for the reply. Good to know that a Mime can expect a fair response in ahelps if they're being baited into talking then.

[Lacran]

If you can't do the time, don't play a mime

[kayozz]

If you can't do the time, don't play a mime

Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
Similar sentiments.

[conrad]

If you can't do the time, don't play a mime

Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.

Sig content yooooo

[TheLoLSwat]

If you can't do the time, don't play a mime

Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
Similar sentiments.

to be fair though, clowns have plenty of funny reasons to take their shoes off, and they are generally trusted to alter themselves how they see fit because of funny. When a mime speaks they betray who they are. When a mime speaks, their connection to mime ancestors is severed, like so

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A talking mime just isnt a mime anymore, and you cant take that back. They are also violating their contract by not respecting the mime vow, and its only right they are beaten to death as a response

[kayozz]

I agree and I appreciate the very detailed gif.