terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
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terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Acting cap is informed that the QM refused to attempt to sort let alone deliver mail.
When a baton is stolen and the acting called a retard the QM suffers from Chat shit get shot
Acting gets hit with a command ban that the admin claims is a perma one
the appeal
When a baton is stolen and the acting called a retard the QM suffers from Chat shit get shot
Acting gets hit with a command ban that the admin claims is a perma one
the appeal
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I have never heard of the whole meantime words = valid. I've only seen that for Ligger. I have seen some people get lynched who happened to say retard, but it's because they were being such a gigantic douche that security didn't even bother to try and stop some of the crew from lynching the guy 1945 Mussolini style. Speaking of, we really need a gallows/noose in-game.
Seeing as there were five security personnel (not including the warden) it probably would have been better to leave, get a warrant for arrest, then return with several officers to arrest the person. No idea how the round was at that point, though
Seeing as there were five security personnel (not including the warden) it probably would have been better to leave, get a warrant for arrest, then return with several officers to arrest the person. No idea how the round was at that point, though
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I've absolutely been told that I can beat the shit out of people for calling me a retard (and vice versa), but you can't RR people for it or anything.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
after that point it was a bloody mess. A riot broke out amongst the crew when the CMO was arrested and demoted. Everyone loves a good riot. Security even used lethal force on people swinging signs and tear gassed them. They also flashbanged and shot up medical before that.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:55 pm Seeing as there were five security personnel (not including the warden) it probably would have been better to leave, get a warrant for arrest, then return with several officers to arrest the person. No idea how the round was at that point, though
There were also people using smoothbore pistols to take potshots at sec, so it wasn't entirely peaceful.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Sounds like a lot of funNecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:20 amafter that point it was a bloody mess. A riot broke out amongst the crew when the CMO was arrested and demoted. Everyone loves a good riot. Security even used lethal force on people swinging signs and tear gassed them. They also flashbanged and shot up medical before that.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:55 pm Seeing as there were five security personnel (not including the warden) it probably would have been better to leave, get a warrant for arrest, then return with several officers to arrest the person. No idea how the round was at that point, though
There were also people using smoothbore pistols to take potshots at sec, so it wasn't entirely peaceful.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
For what it's worth if I was captain (even acting) and a QM told me off for telling them to do their job I'd ABSOLUTELY give them a nonlethal smack and tell them to get their shit together. If they did what they did to me here I'd have probably dome the same shit as well.
Part of your job when roleplaying command is following said chain of command. He probably could've had security do it, but I'd be 50/50 on just doing it myself in a similar fashion.
Part of your job when roleplaying command is following said chain of command. He probably could've had security do it, but I'd be 50/50 on just doing it myself in a similar fashion.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
If I was the captain, "Do your job -> "Fuck off" -> Single baton -> Batonned in response, confiscated, thrown out and repeatedly called a retard is 10000000% a scenario where I'd drop the hammer for insubordination. Possibly mutiny.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
leaking my own bus post for this one:
it leads to absolute dogass gameplay because someone will choose to ignore all the nuance of an ic situation to immediately jump to oocly motivated violence because they think it's an instant gotcha to get rid of someone that has done something to upset them. it's just totally shit behaviour so far removed from any semblance of rp or good faith that ruins rounds because it turns a small problem that needs a quick "please don't do that" bwoink into a massive clusterfuck of oocly motivated conflict that causes way more ahelps and takes a year to unravel because some players shit in their hands and clapped over nothing and every bystander got caught in the splash zone.
if you're initiating a conflict then it should be for an ic reason: someone insulted your character icly, and you are icly responding to that by roleplaying as your upset character. this is good. it creates a story of ic conflict. it's not an excuse to drop all the nuance of a situation to use the fact that someone used a bad word to validate oocly motivated violence to correct their behaviour or remove them from the game because you feel they need to be punished on an ooc level. especially if you're the one to have instigated the situation in the first place.
it's also worth noting that the QM in this instance was told to reduce their usage of "retard" as part of the ruling.
i really am not a fan of this muddying the ic waters shit by taking ic actions which are motivated by ooc behaviour. it's metagamey and stupid. the bad no-no lizard word is a special case because we needed to reach a compromise on that one word specifically, otherwise it would fall under the same school of thought.what happened is manuelmins sometimes looked the other way when people saying the n-word and shit got round removed and now it has been ruined because this small understanding has grown to encompass all bad words and is taken for granted instead of being a special use case for rare situations
it leads to absolute dogass gameplay because someone will choose to ignore all the nuance of an ic situation to immediately jump to oocly motivated violence because they think it's an instant gotcha to get rid of someone that has done something to upset them. it's just totally shit behaviour so far removed from any semblance of rp or good faith that ruins rounds because it turns a small problem that needs a quick "please don't do that" bwoink into a massive clusterfuck of oocly motivated conflict that causes way more ahelps and takes a year to unravel because some players shit in their hands and clapped over nothing and every bystander got caught in the splash zone.
if you're initiating a conflict then it should be for an ic reason: someone insulted your character icly, and you are icly responding to that by roleplaying as your upset character. this is good. it creates a story of ic conflict. it's not an excuse to drop all the nuance of a situation to use the fact that someone used a bad word to validate oocly motivated violence to correct their behaviour or remove them from the game because you feel they need to be punished on an ooc level. especially if you're the one to have instigated the situation in the first place.
it's also worth noting that the QM in this instance was told to reduce their usage of "retard" as part of the ruling.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Yes, but this is quite different from "valid"BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:06 am I've absolutely been told that I can beat the shit out of people for calling me a retard (and vice versa), but you can't RR people for it or anything.
It is absolutely fine to escalate against. But when one says valid, they imply that you can bypass escalation policy entirely to kill them.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Escalation means "bitch called me retard so I stole his shoes and id".
Valid means I deepfry your brain and feed it to the resident lizard.
Valid means I deepfry your brain and feed it to the resident lizard.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I mean in this case he was demoting an insubordinate and I'd usually crack out lethals for that just to maximize my own safety, especially since it's a member of command. tgstation is really dogshit when it comes to policy for demoting other members of command and so falls back on general policy (just like in this scenario) so I generally just say "fuck it", dome them and revive them.Sightld2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:45 amYes, but this is quite different from "valid"BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:06 am I've absolutely been told that I can beat the shit out of people for calling me a retard (and vice versa), but you can't RR people for it or anything.
It is absolutely fine to escalate against. But when one says valid, they imply that you can bypass escalation policy entirely to kill them.
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I've always been of the opinion that a captain rightfully demoting a member of command should be free from escalation rules. Too often it just turns into "lmao I outrobust you so you're not captain anymore" which is just stupid.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
If you're too unrobust to demote someone without killing them with a goddamn firearm get sec to help you ya nimrod.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:55 amI mean in this case he was demoting an insubordinate and I'd usually crack out lethals for that just to maximize my own safety, especially since it's a member of command. tgstation is really dogshit when it comes to policy for demoting other members of command and so falls back on general policy (just like in this scenario) so I generally just say "fuck it", dome them and revive them.Sightld2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:45 amYes, but this is quite different from "valid"BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:06 am I've absolutely been told that I can beat the shit out of people for calling me a retard (and vice versa), but you can't RR people for it or anything.
It is absolutely fine to escalate against. But when one says valid, they imply that you can bypass escalation policy entirely to kill them.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Fuck that, I'm the captain. Any command member who's gotten me to the point where I'm demoting them is getting THE BULLET. Corporate fascism is the flavour of the day.conrad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:10 amIf you're too unrobust to demote someone without killing them with a goddamn firearm get sec to help you ya nimrod.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:55 amI mean in this case he was demoting an insubordinate and I'd usually crack out lethals for that just to maximize my own safety, especially since it's a member of command. tgstation is really dogshit when it comes to policy for demoting other members of command and so falls back on general policy (just like in this scenario) so I generally just say "fuck it", dome them and revive them.Sightld2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:45 amYes, but this is quite different from "valid"BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:06 am I've absolutely been told that I can beat the shit out of people for calling me a retard (and vice versa), but you can't RR people for it or anything.
It is absolutely fine to escalate against. But when one says valid, they imply that you can bypass escalation policy entirely to kill them.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
But it’s such a power move to kill people who are in insubordinate.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I try, fam, I try so hard. Why do people shoot themselves agressively in the foot? With a nine millimeter.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:14 amFuck that, I'm the captain. Any command member who's gotten me to the point where I'm demoting them is getting THE BULLET. Corporate fascism is the flavour of the day.conrad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:10 amIf you're too unrobust to demote someone without killing them with a goddamn firearm get sec to help you ya nimrod.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:55 amI mean in this case he was demoting an insubordinate and I'd usually crack out lethals for that just to maximize my own safety, especially since it's a member of command. tgstation is really dogshit when it comes to policy for demoting other members of command and so falls back on general policy (just like in this scenario) so I generally just say "fuck it", dome them and revive them.Sightld2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:45 amYes, but this is quite different from "valid"BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:06 am I've absolutely been told that I can beat the shit out of people for calling me a retard (and vice versa), but you can't RR people for it or anything.
It is absolutely fine to escalate against. But when one says valid, they imply that you can bypass escalation policy entirely to kill them.
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The smoke kinda looked like a heart and it made me inagine a modern cupit that instead of arrows uses an SSG 08 to spread looove.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:19 amBut it’s such a power move to kill people who are in insubordinate.
“Hey, can you actually do your job?”
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I wanna say MRP/manual issue but wanting to demote someone for not doing their job as the acting captain and then personally doing it yourself after they call you names is worthy of even HRP roleplay.
Atleast the demotion was fine, killing I dont know maybe some more stuff happened.
edit: bruh why didnt the ban message say they used antagonistic gear (a fucking makarov) to kill the QM I understand acting captain is above the law but that paints a dirty picture
i understand dereliction of duty is shit, but thats mostly an issue with engineers and viro, focus your rage on those jobs not the qm just not sending people their mail when they can just walk to cargo and if they have any.
Atleast the demotion was fine, killing I dont know maybe some more stuff happened.
edit: bruh why didnt the ban message say they used antagonistic gear (a fucking makarov) to kill the QM I understand acting captain is above the law but that paints a dirty picture
i understand dereliction of duty is shit, but thats mostly an issue with engineers and viro, focus your rage on those jobs not the qm just not sending people their mail when they can just walk to cargo and if they have any.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
yeah the core of the ban is the mismanagement of escalation due to what seems to be one party being under the impression that one particular insult is worth ramping the escalation factor up several degrees immediately. this wouldn't be a conversation if the acting captain had used their increased access to walk to security, get a nonlethal weapon, and demote the QM for insubordination instead of pulling a 9mm pistol on him for xbox live banter.MooCow12 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:36 am I wanna say MRP/manual issue but wanting to demote someone for not doing their job as the acting captain and then personally doing it yourself after they call you names is worthy of even HRP roleplay.
Atleast the demotion was fine, killing I dont know maybe some more stuff happened.
edit: bruh why didnt the ban message say they used antagonistic gear (a fucking makarov) to kill the QM I understand acting captain is above the law but that paints a dirty picture
i understand dereliction of duty is shit, but thats mostly an issue with engineers and viro, focus your rage on those jobs not the qm just not sending people their mail when they can just walk to cargo and if they have any.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Honestly after seeing the logs and such its clear that the acting cap escalated to far
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I have no idea where they got the idea that you can't call people a retard for assaulting you.
I don't really know why admins would need to bwoink the player that called Thranos a retard about it.
I always held the opinion at least in the modern use of retard it's a general insult regarding bad faith incompetence, it's not intended to put down people who are genuinely struggling but doing their best. It's intended to put down people who are deliberately doing the wrong thing when they are completely capable of doing otherwise.
A captain killing you with a Makarov for not sorting mail is being a retard. I get the misunderstanding around slurs kind of, except I'm pretty sure I've seen Thranos call people retarded.
A player genuinely struggling and clearly doing their best shouldn't be called retarded.
I don't really know why admins would need to bwoink the player that called Thranos a retard about it.
I always held the opinion at least in the modern use of retard it's a general insult regarding bad faith incompetence, it's not intended to put down people who are genuinely struggling but doing their best. It's intended to put down people who are deliberately doing the wrong thing when they are completely capable of doing otherwise.
A captain killing you with a Makarov for not sorting mail is being a retard. I get the misunderstanding around slurs kind of, except I'm pretty sure I've seen Thranos call people retarded.
A player genuinely struggling and clearly doing their best shouldn't be called retarded.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
As I see it, the execution was justified under the capital crime of mutiny. You can't just kick the captain out of a part of his own station. The captain should've just said that instead of admitting to being such a huge pussy he felt the need to kill someone over being called a retard.
Also since when is Archie an admin?
Also since when is Archie an admin?
You can have that opinion on what constitutes a slur but rulings aren't made based off of your opinion, they're based off of existing rulings and policy. Existing policy, as you've already been told by several admins, is that "retard" is not a slur.
Valid demotions are already protected from escalation (something I find immersion-breaking). Retaliation is realistic. If you shoot at the king (a command member in this instance), you better not miss. Why would you expect people you're taking action against to just... let you? Also see ban precedent below:BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:09 am I've always been of the opinion that a captain rightfully demoting a member of command should be free from escalation rules. Too often it just turns into "lmao I outrobust you so you're not captain anymore" which is just stupid.
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"Confiscated" is a funny way to say "stolen by a direct subordinate".
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Does headmin clarification come with the salad or do you need to get a soup?
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
That's not a mutiny. Mutiny is where you try to overthrow the captain or do something like seced from the station.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:18 am As I see it, the execution was justified under the capital crime of mutiny. You can't just kick the captain out of a part of his own station. The captain should've just said that instead of admitting to being such a huge pussy he felt the need to kill someone over being called a retard.
The qm was insubordinate over mail, resisted arrest and stole a weapon. There was no capital crime there.
The only reason the qm threw out the captain was because they were batoned. At worst they resisted an arrest, at best they just defended themselves.
The reasonable move here is to arrest that player, not kill them.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Secede from the station? You mean making it so there's a part that isn't under to the captain's authority? ... in other words, exactly what happened?Lacran wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:54 amThat's not a mutiny. Mutiny is where you try to overthrow the captain or do something like seced from the station.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:18 am As I see it, the execution was justified under the capital crime of mutiny. You can't just kick the captain out of a part of his own station. The captain should've just said that instead of admitting to being such a huge pussy he felt the need to kill someone over being called a retard.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I can't help but feel that I'm partly responsible for this outcomedendydoom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:37 amwhat happened is manuelmins sometimes looked the other way when people saying the n-word and shit got round removed and now it has been ruined because this small understanding has grown to encompass all bad words and is taken for granted instead of being a special use case for rare situations
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Depends on the day of the week. Considering people are chronically online and in different timezones, it's a crapshoot.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
alright but why the fuck are there like 6 different people in that thread wtf
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
So if a captain goes to the bar, hits the bartender and gets thrown out. That's the bar declaring it's an independent authority and staging a mutiny?ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:37 amSecede from the station? You mean making it so there's a part that isn't under to the captain's authority? ... in other words, exactly what happened?Lacran wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:54 amThat's not a mutiny. Mutiny is where you try to overthrow the captain or do something like seced from the station.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:18 am As I see it, the execution was justified under the capital crime of mutiny. You can't just kick the captain out of a part of his own station. The captain should've just said that instead of admitting to being such a huge pussy he felt the need to kill someone over being called a retard.
Cargo didn't secede the qm denied an order and retaliated against being struck. Secession isn't one person refusing one order. It's also not throwing someone out of somewhere for hitting people.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
No one is arguing whether the captain was wrong to pursue conflict. The ban was due to overescalation.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:18 am As I see it, the execution was justified under the capital crime of mutiny. You can't just kick the captain out of a part of his own station. The captain should've just said that instead of admitting to being such a huge pussy he felt the need to kill someone over being called a retard.
Also, capital crime? lmfao laugh at this user.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
People acting like retard is a word on par with the n-word are chronically online retards who should probably be removed from the servers (and the internet) for their own good.
Or to put it in a more constructive manner: Acting like Retard is on par with the N-Word is not only just utterly insane, but also kinda fucking shitty? Like my brother in christ you are absolutely fucking downplaying that word by claiming Retard is on its level.
When someone calls you a retard, you have two paths. You can choose to throw a tantrum like a spoiled child who just got told they have to pick between the PS5 or the new Xbox, throw all of your toys out of the pram and just generally be a miserable twat that nobody wants to be around.
Or you can just shrug it off as you do any other insult. Call them a cunt, call them a retard back, tell them they're a shitbrained fuckwit.
Which one's gonna make you happier at the end of the day?
Or to put it in a more constructive manner: Acting like Retard is on par with the N-Word is not only just utterly insane, but also kinda fucking shitty? Like my brother in christ you are absolutely fucking downplaying that word by claiming Retard is on its level.
When someone calls you a retard, you have two paths. You can choose to throw a tantrum like a spoiled child who just got told they have to pick between the PS5 or the new Xbox, throw all of your toys out of the pram and just generally be a miserable twat that nobody wants to be around.
Or you can just shrug it off as you do any other insult. Call them a cunt, call them a retard back, tell them they're a shitbrained fuckwit.
Which one's gonna make you happier at the end of the day?
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
It is entirely possible that multiple admins are taking a rule 0 stance in regards to words like "retard". If that is the case then we would benefit from re-evaluating rule 11, specifically on what the player expectation for it is. However that also opens up a can of worms in itself.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I disaproove of rule zeroing that. There's a headmin ruling over that, and using retard is pretty prolific. We don't need reasons for the checking adminwho meme to be real.Drag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:54 am It is entirely possible that multiple admins are taking a rule 0 stance in regards to words like "retard". If that is the case then we would benefit from re-evaluating rule 11, specifically on what the player expectation for it is. However that also opens up a can of worms in itself.
A policy thread to re-evaluate rule 11 would only serve to give retard the treatment nigger or ligger got, 'cos as it stands when and where you can use it is pretty well defined, much like nigger (don't) and ligger (valid) are.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
i have and will speak to people for excessively saying it when someone ahelps it because it makes them uncomfortable. it's never not been a very easy situation where i go "hey, sorry but could you please use other insults for a bit?" and they say "yeah sure" and i say "cool thanks for your time" and then the game continues with no further action necessary. no note, no ban, no pile of corpses, just a polite request for the comfort of other players.Drag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:54 am It is entirely possible that multiple admins are taking a rule 0 stance in regards to words like "retard". If that is the case then we would benefit from re-evaluating rule 11, specifically on what the player expectation for it is. However that also opens up a can of worms in itself.
what bothers me is when people are involved in a heated IC situation where someone speaks out of frustration and then the pretence of rp is dropped because certain players are rubbing their hands together and licking their lips because now they get to kill someone for an ooc reason to get the resolution they want from the IC situation, it ultimately detracts from the rp and ruins the actual interesting conflict happening in the situation, and 9 times out of 10 we now have a complicated investigative ahelp for bad escalation. it's just unnecessary, players should not be punishing other players in the ic space for what they perceive as ooc rule breaks.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
admins will use their discretion in those situations to judge what is best for the round using the access to the information and oversight they have. it's best in these situations to ahelp it and clear it with them first. i say this because if this sort of thing is taken for granted by players rather than a greenlit exception to the rule it will eventually generate enough noise that the management will come down here and take it away from you forever and we will have to rule very differently in these situations.Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:19 amI can't help but feel that I'm partly responsible for this outcomedendydoom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:37 amwhat happened is manuelmins sometimes looked the other way when people saying the n-word and shit got round removed and now it has been ruined because this small understanding has grown to encompass all bad words and is taken for granted instead of being a special use case for rare situations
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
It's also relevant, in that regard, that player expectation might be different between Manuel and the rest of tgstation.Drag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:54 am It is entirely possible that multiple admins are taking a rule 0 stance in regards to words like "retard". If that is the case then we would benefit from re-evaluating rule 11, specifically on what the player expectation for it is. However that also opens up a can of worms in itself.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
I am honestly trying to find instances of us taking a rule 0 stance to either the R-slur specifically or any others. I was discussing this with Oranges earlier and if the argument is that we have turned a blind eye to people being killed over words, then sure, that sends a message in its own right but is much harder for me to find evidence for (so if anyone has any specific examples that'd be great).
The closest I can find is admins permitting people getting dumpstered over the L-word even before this term's ruling, however even that was not allowed to be taken to round removal.
The closest I can find is admins permitting people getting dumpstered over the L-word even before this term's ruling, however even that was not allowed to be taken to round removal.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
why is everybody peanutting on this ban in the appeal
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
When you look at retard it's fine to use unless you're using it for the specific case of being bigoted. Hell man even some admins use it.
Not sure why people are blowing it up so much but it has never been valid or anything. Would be interested in seeing examples of it ever being valid but if admins are a oking people murdering for it they're cringe
Not sure why people are blowing it up so much but it has never been valid or anything. Would be interested in seeing examples of it ever being valid but if admins are a oking people murdering for it they're cringe
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
regular timberpoes protege in the making
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
It doesn't even matter if we consider it a slur or not, because we aren't allowed to enforce rule 11 based on words alone without context.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
Also what a thinly veiled power trip holy fuck.
They go into cargo yell at the qm, the qm tells them to fuck off so they ATTACK THE QM?
The qm fights back (as expected) so they call a coup???
Please correct me if I'm wrong here or if I'm not following the logs correctly or smth
If this is the situation and i have correctly understood it this is some fucking insane demotion baiting occurring
Even before retard word involvement
They go into cargo yell at the qm, the qm tells them to fuck off so they ATTACK THE QM?
The qm fights back (as expected) so they call a coup???
Please correct me if I'm wrong here or if I'm not following the logs correctly or smth
If this is the situation and i have correctly understood it this is some fucking insane demotion baiting occurring
Even before retard word involvement
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
And people say Manuel isn't like our other servers.
It's an MRP Terry.
It's an MRP Terry.
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
The irony is palpable. You have no ground to stand on calling out blatant power trips.
You shot a sec officer with lethals as a head of staff over the word "ligger", before the new ruling.
Mutiny is a much better reason to use lethals than that bullshit.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
OooOOoOo Kieth Ekaterina has you in a logical and rethorical armlock
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
the name of the sec officer? Ekaterina.
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
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Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: terry trialmin meets normal Manuel Rp
What I'm saying is that we've got to legalise glue man, it's got other uses that aren't just mind-expanding!
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