Archie700 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:24 pm
LEDDDriver wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:29 pm
We are one step closer to becoming Goon. If people, especially admins, put side to side retard and the nword then i can't wait for them to make their (shit) opinions (un)official rulings. Who knows what's next? I don't and i am excited!
"I will fword kill you, you stupid cword! Give me my id back you rword!"
This is the point where I have to break character and post about this.
I had talked about this in asay and adminbus while dealing with the ban appeal. Admins, both during and after, had different opinions on the use of the word "retard" as a slur.
Absolutely
NONE of them said that in any way that what Laura did was justified.
I am very unhappy with the fact that people right now in this thread are saying they're going to do what Laura did if they were in the same situation. I am also very confused by people suddenly saying that saying "retard" automatically makes you valid. Of the "admins" that have "allowed it", only ONE was named, and
I had them explain what happened in the ban appeal itself.
As far as I know there is NO ruling on saying "retard" making you instavalid on ANY count.
Why are you surprised that people twist opinions to fit their narrative? When you have admins telling you that "retard" is on par with the nword and that it
should be treated under the rule all the same then, surely, you can see where the confusion begins. "An admin said so, so why should i think of it more?". Strangely, this goes both ways, "This site tells me their (non-legal) opinion therefore it's a definition that i will hold true."
I'd find more value in an argument if one claimed that there should be an extensive blanket ban on words that are offensive (in a similar spirit i can pull up a website and argue that all of the words listed should be banned), at least then you can't argue anymore with takes on the level of"This site says so therefore we
should..." or "Why is this banned but this isn't?
Some people
i know might get offended by this."
At the end of the day you can be bigoted and express hate speech without ever mentioning a single slur. But it's much easier to reduce the cases of bigotry by banning specific words that historically have led to violence and death against groups. Rule 11 specifically mentions "... to
intentionally demean others." Unless you know the other person
is cognitively impaired and specifically target him for that, it then stops being about the word and falls under harassment. If one would get offended by being called a retard for fucking up the engine, he would, without a doubt, get offended by anything that insults his intelligence; moron, idiot, zero braincell'd individual etc.
It's very clear that the admin team feels torn about rule 11. Maybe you guys need to retrain or perhaps does MSO have to revisit the rule to make it more clear for the people that are not very bright?
If i say "What engine are we building today faggots?", would i get immediately bwoinked and noted? Depends on the admin i guess?