Forced Felinutification

[Itseasytosee2me]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35349

I'm unsure how to feel about unconsensual catification.

[iwishforducks]

ban evaders put more effort into their alt appeals than this

[Higgin]

Folks' statics aren't sacred, but they probably shouldn't be fucked with if you don't have some sort of license like antag or tit-for-tat retaliation in any sort of meaningfully irreversible way if you don't wanna court rule 1 or self-antagging - which it seems that they did. This looks like a fair shoot.

Getting mis-ID'd as a nonhuman can get you killed.

[RedBaronFlyer]

Admins on Manuel have force felinid transformed people several times in the last week.

[Donglesplonge]

hey wait a minute thats me in that screenshot

of all the things this person COULD'VE DONE to someone while reviving them they gave them.... cat ears, terrifying i know.

i know sybil tiders will suicide over cat ears but like lets say i'm a tider in their shoes i'd just turn around after realizing i have cat ears, ask another MD who gave me the surgery, then crit and rob them, like isn't that something people would just do? its a free pass to rob a head of staff like any guy wouldn't just do that, yeah i understand that this guy was nonantag but doesn't that just mean he can get shitwhipped by any of the crew he DID do surgery on? iunno just reeks of IC issue to me, especially the fact that this was on sybil of all places, feels too weak honestly.

characters aren't sacred, if you get goop'd thats just how it rolls around these parts

[warbluke]

Not noteworthy, but very much so deconstruct-the-entirety-of-the-CMO-office-then-space-the-room-and-kidnap-Runtime-worthy.

[The Wrench]

This shouldn’t be a note, it reeks of cringe.

Let people have fun and open doors

[cSeal]

escalation bait behavior tbqh, shouldve been a perma. where did they even get the cat ears btw?

[MooCow12]

bad note, ic issue.

[iwishforducks]

peanut on the ban tangibly related to this incident: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=35048

[TypicalRig]

It's the second time I've seen Bible wrongly note someone for things that are perfectly acceptable on LRP that wouldn't necessarily be allowed on Manuel without antag status/prior ahelps. The other one was also appearance related.

What is allowed on LRP in terms of FNR appearance changing: Race changing (humans and non-humans alike), modifying a person's purely physical appearance in general (like spraytan OD botanists).
What isn't allowed on LRP in terms of FNR appearance changing: Chopping off/replacing limbs that would give debuffs, stealing critical items on the person and/or items that would cause permanent loss in mood.

Mind you obviously the exception to this is if a person does it regularly FNR and forms a pattern or if they use it to bait escalation by punishing people that retaliate over it, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the CMO here. I think in the future this is more of a lesson learned that when we have someone admin on a server that's different to what they're used to they should maybe have someone mentoring them/giving them a second opinion so they don't get ahead of themselves. Bible has been quite a bit active on LRP, but rather than taking time to understand how the server works, it seems like they're just handling it how they'd handle Manuel, which isn't why we have a distinction between LRP and MRP. A headmin should be able to recognise that.

[TheBibleMelts]

Mind you obviously the exception to this is if a person does it regularly FNR and forms a pattern or if they use it to bait escalation by punishing people that retaliate over it,

bingo, that's why i make notes the way i do. they're not punishments, they're record-keeping because the admin team isn't a hivemind who will know if someone is repeating the same gimmick again and again unless they have something to go off of.

[MooCow12]

That note better fade with time then lol.

[TheBibleMelts]

That note better fade with time then lol.

actually I had this one bronzed.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Forcible unwanted cosmetic surgeries on crew has always been provocation on the level of "if you cry about ending up dead and hidden in a locker by a victim over this I will ban you" so it seems reasonable that the admins can tell you to knock it off.

[oranges]

tbm you'll be banning admins who use the purrbation button now right?

[cSeal]

tbm you'll be banning admins who use the purrbation button now right?

No we have to keep beating this horse, itll get funny again eventually i swear guys

[Itseasytosee2me]

yeah this peanut isn’t as spicy as i would like. pretty lukewarm takes all around.

[TheBibleMelts]

here let me try something


why was this note as a punishment for an IC issue?

[TheBibleMelts]

why was this note as a punishment for an IC issue?

this note wasn't a punishment, it was just a record of a line toe

[TypicalRig]

when you are given a chance to take back your mistake, but double down on it. perks of being a headmin I guess

[TheBibleMelts]

why was this note as a punishment for an IC issue?

this note wasn't a punishment, it was just a record of a line toe

if notes aren't punishments then why do people get banned for having them down the line??

[TheFinalPotato]

Notes aren't punishments posters when I use my maintainer perms to note a headmin

[TheBibleMelts]

why was this note as a punishment for an IC issue?

this note wasn't a punishment, it was just a record of a line toe

if notes aren't punishments then why do people get banned for having them down the line??

because they set tracks for establishing behavior that may end up being punished with repetition, as seen here.

[TheBibleMelts]

why was this note as a punishment for an IC issue?

this note wasn't a punishment, it was just a record of a line toe

if notes aren't punishments then why do people get banned for having them down the line??

because they set tracks for establishing behavior that may end up being punished with repetition, as seen here.

cope, buddy. notes are absolutely punishment and youre delusional if you don't think that.

[BonChoi]

Dawg what are you doing

[Itseasytosee2me]

I’m pretty ambivalent to if this was a rulebreak or not, but if you think the behavior was bad at least put your nuts on the table and say
“Yes this behavior is undesirable and I noted them for it because it was undesirable”
and not this defensive of
“You can’t criticize my note because its just a record of information and not a real punishment”

[iwishforducks]

Dawg what are you doing

idk i kinda liked the bit

[Itseasytosee2me]

this note wasn't a punishment, it was just a record of a line toe

brother no where in the note you placed did it say anything about toeing the line or “not making a habit” about the behavior at all.

you used the words “Should not”

“Should not” implies this is not an ic issue but is an administrative issue.

Is this behavior acceptable or not?
If its not acceptable why are you calling it an IC issue?
If it is acceptable why did you say “you should not make alterations to another person’s character without their consent”

Is it ok to do as long as you aren't doing it consistently round after round? Or is it never ok? Because in the ban appeal you say one thing and in the peanut you say another.

[TheBibleMelts]

he bit the hook

[Not-Dorsidarf]

TBM taking the orange pill today.

[Vekter]

We note people for doing any kind of body modification like removing/replacing other peoples' limbs for no reason without consent. It's grief. It's not something you should be doing to people for no IC reason.

[MooCow12]

We note people for doing any kind of body modification like removing/replacing other peoples' limbs for no reason without consent. It's grief. It's not something you should be doing to people for no IC reason.

shouldnt...shouldnt reactive bio scrambler armor be banned then?

also isnt adding cat ears to someone who is dead literally just aesthetics.

[Itseasytosee2me]

he bit the hook

Schrödinger's bait.

[cSeal]

also isnt adding cat ears to someone who is dead literally just aesthetics.

No

[Vekter]

We note people for doing any kind of body modification like removing/replacing other peoples' limbs for no reason without consent. It's grief. It's not something you should be doing to people for no IC reason.

shouldnt...shouldnt reactive bio scrambler armor be banned then?

also isnt adding cat ears to someone who is dead literally just aesthetics.

1) No, because that's obviously being done by a game mechanic and not by someone individually.

2) No, because if they are revived with the cat ears on they lose silicon protections under Asimov (Silicons can identify non-humans based on species traits, like wings, tails, and cat ears). It's also just shitty to do - modifying someone's character without their consent is a dick move, and rule 1 is "don't be a dick". If you have valid IC reasons to do it (someone keeps breaking into your department, you're an antag, you have explicit beef with them, they're being species-ist) then the situation is less cut and dry, but Vending Machine had none of these reasons - they just did it because they thought it was funny.

tl;dr Altering peoples' character without consent as a non-antag (and without IC justification) is a rule 1 violation. Don't do it.

Spoiler:

And because I know some pedant is going to say it, by "altering peoples' character" I don't mean injuring them or blowing their arm off in an explosion, I mean explicitly replacing or changing parts of their character without their consent or knowledge.

[conrad]

Yeah Vekter but what about throwing a pie at someone, huh? That alters their sprite until they wash their face. Should I be banned for throwing a pie?

[iwishforducks]

yes

[Capsandi]

local headmin becomes sole admin on duty after admin team struggles to understand obtuse policy changes. More at 6.

Yeah Vekter but what about throwing a pie at someone, huh? That alters their sprite until they wash their face. Should I be banned for throwing a pie?

Well if you have no IC reason to do so thats being a dick, which falls under rule 1.

[iwishforducks]

fuck you i was going to double post and now my joke is RUINED. it just doesn't hit as hard when it's not a double post.

Spoiler:

permanently banned. blacklisted, even. shunned, strung by the limbs, taken to the gallows, etc etc

[EmpressMaia]

Holy ic issue just beat up the cmo after the fact and tell sec

[Redrover1760]

It is the year of 203X. There is no more such thing as an "IC issue". The Admins intervene in every random squabble or action that vaguely harms other people. Non-antagonists are absurdly bored and validhunt even more than they do, or alternatively just afk in a corner while they wait to be able to play their boring job simulator. Anyone who dares to try and randomly shove people in the hallways or start shit is instantly sent to admin jail, and are given a 20 minute lecture over ahelps as well as a permanent note before being returned to the round, all of their gear stolen as per a standard security confiscation. This is completely fine, as permanent notes are not punishments, and only exist to note people's repeated patterns of breaking the rules or performing low level antagonistic activities so they can be banned later for trying to not have fun. The vines of Manuel have wrapped onto the other servers, corrupting and encouraging "roleplay" with their horrid policies and plans, (despite there being almost no roleplay at all in any tg server except basil). However, there is hope. Terry, the shittiest, dirtiest, muddiest, server in existence, still struggles against the tyranny of the MRP admin clique, even after all the other servers have given up. Every week, there is a new "funeral incident" in rebellion and mourning for yet another perm'd soldier who engaged in incredibly advanced hatecrimes against the admins. Will there ever be peace? Will the MRP admins and the NRP players ever reconcile? No, never, as the fundamental war between player and admin is bound to the very culture of the server and admins themselves. A culture clash of the greatest proportions, of Mozzarella dragon lightsabers, Talon worshipers (he got perm banned another 5 times), and Virology mains (they got replaced by fish doctors).

NSFW:

This is a satire, you evil MRP mozzarella hating admins. Don't ban me or I will become a virology main in real life and make that Mozzarella dragon my new fursona.

[8bot]

manuel is deranged
reminder that they got randomnamed back a few years ago and had a collective mental breakdown about it because they were no longer their statics

[AsbestosSniffer]

I think TBM might be losing it, anyone else?

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

why was this note as a punishment for an IC issue?

this note wasn't a punishment, it was just a record of a line toe

if notes aren't punishments then why do people get banned for having them down the line??

because they set tracks for establishing behavior that may end up being punished with repetition, as seen here.

Okay, if this is to punish things that shouldn't be done repetitively, does that mean he can do this like, once a month or something, regardless of the existence of this note?

[chocolate_bickie]

I want TBM to mass purrbate Terry non-stop until they agree this ban was justified.

[kieth4]

Bruh why is this a note...who cares...someone got cat ears oh no... hurts me that ic conflicts that have the potential to arrise are being stomped out instead and replaced with "YOU MUST NOT DO THIS." Especially when it's rather harmless- things like baldium, mutation toxin cat ears ect have been the starter of ic conflict for agesss

[dirk_mcblade]

What if instead they removed felinids ears and tails. That's am Asimov buff.

[Donglesplonge]

Its sad that silicons have to be considered at all for this equation considering if they try it you can kill them anyways because theres no feedback to know when a borgs disabled and nobody should trust combat enough against borgs to not kill them (and take them to robotics for legal defense)

Was there a mysterious third party that took this heinous offense personally? Are the trumpets of heaven sounding because the damned roam the earth and they all look like they came outta nyan neko sugar girls? If so i hope you bought your laser pointers and wood chippers.

I can understand that like, if they were taking whole ass limbs away from people this'd be an actual issue, because yknow then im being mechanically limited with an issue that isnt one of the biggest nonfactors in the whole universe. but at what point does a normal sane human player look at having cat ears and weep because they lost asimov protections, one of the biggest "who??????" Bonuses in the entire game, newsflash, i have greybull and a toolbelt.

[TypicalRig]

admins only bring silicons into the argument for these scenarios because they have absolutely nothing left to grasp at but the vague don't be a dick rule, which gets them (rightfully) ridiculed when they use it so liberally. it's not that it's actually the problem that they think it is but it's an easy cop out. historically when a person goes around non-humanning people the AI, rather than targeting the non-human, focuses on detaining the dude going around non-humanning folks since "humans being non-humanned can lead to someone who is now a human being harmed later"

also what the fuck is this example? a guy gets surgery in plain sight and is given cat ears. he can easily explain to the AI that he's actually human because he's not meowing and doesn't have a tail and was just given ears by forced. or even to check his medical records assuming the CMO didn't alter them. or to check his crew manifest photo which the cmo can't touch. or ask other people to confirm. the admins aren't arguing in good faith here in the slightest