Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
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Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/80313
Cool seeing another blood-brother like antag, I just cant imagine someone rolling this and doing anything other than enjoying free antag while physically avoiding changelings in order to not get sacced without being able to fight back
Cool seeing another blood-brother like antag, I just cant imagine someone rolling this and doing anything other than enjoying free antag while physically avoiding changelings in order to not get sacced without being able to fight back
Last edited by TheLoLSwat on Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother
Maybe they could do something to a person and if the changeling absorbs them they get a bonus? Atleast one incentive for the changeling not immediately going "lets head to dorm toilets, cut our radios off and talk about our evil plan ;D" when they find the fanatic
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother
This would work better as a tot kit option like contractor, on its own it is pretty barebones.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother
ngl i like when we experiment with new antags it's exciting
let's bring back devil
let's bring back devil
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother
they do get to be an imaginary friend if when the ling eats them.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:00 pm Maybe they could do something to a person and if the changeling absorbs them they get a bonus? Atleast one incentive for the changeling not immediately going "lets head to dorm toilets, cut our radios off and talk about our evil plan ;D" when they find the fanatic
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother
i can't wait to be imaginary friend antag honestly, i love being an imaginary friend.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother
I like this idea. I'm getting genestealer cult vibes, very neat.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Bro i'm literally right here.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
"WE NEED MORE ANTAGS WE NEED MORE ANTAGS WE NEED MORE ANTAGS"
"NO YOUR ANTAG IDEA SUCKS"
"AND I HAVE NO IDEAS BUT I AM GREAT AT SHOOTING DOWN IDEAS, NOTHING IS WORTH TESTING TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT IN"
"AND I WON'T CODE ANY IDEAS I DO HAVE"
"NO YOUR ANTAG IDEA SUCKS"
"AND I HAVE NO IDEAS BUT I AM GREAT AT SHOOTING DOWN IDEAS, NOTHING IS WORTH TESTING TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT IN"
"AND I WON'T CODE ANY IDEAS I DO HAVE"
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
it is pretty stupid to post it in here though when players cant even play it yet
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
sorry i went a little gamer night at the inventory i'm just saying there is no antag liked by everyone and it's so easy to find potential holes but whether it has issues and whether it overall works for the game is different and nothing reveals problems that infringe on the latter like a live environment
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
what if the tiger operative does xenobio and turns themselves into a slime person and gets a changeling to absorb him multiple times
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
I'm happy to see people try their hand at making more antagonists for the game. We need more variety and whether one would like to admit it or not, having a varied cast of evildoers helps keeps rounds fresh and interesting. It also alleviates issues of our antag cast being somewhat exhausting to fight over and over when its the same ones being picked.
That being said, depending on how you make an antag, they'll having varying amounts of impact on the story of the round. These guys seem to be able to greatly buff a single changeling, so the question would be is how much will that impact the course of the round on average? We'll just have to see.
That being said, depending on how you make an antag, they'll having varying amounts of impact on the story of the round. These guys seem to be able to greatly buff a single changeling, so the question would be is how much will that impact the course of the round on average? We'll just have to see.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Their connection to the body gets destroyed on absorb, and the changeling only gets the benefit if the tiger's mind is in the body.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
this is an entire new antag, something the community should speak on even those that may not see it if its there
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Bro why are you version two of the person that made this PR.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Changelings aren't even real so why does this matter. I haven't seen a ling for months.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:53 amthis is an entire new antag, something the community should speak on even those that may not see it if its there
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Maybe if you played then I wouldn't have to be triple posting off my phone.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
My favorite part is the hackmd they wrote suggests the policy that the new antag gets, imagine someone who gets their information by looking up stuff on github rolls the antag, knows wikis are outdated and looks for the pr that added the antag they are playing as, clicks on hackmd, and then they also happen to get info about how they should behave from the hackmd
and then they get banned for following that coderwritten policy and not some even harder to find wall of text written by a headmin about the specific antag they are playing.
Alot of stars have to align for this outcome but its amusing to think about.
and then they get banned for following that coderwritten policy and not some even harder to find wall of text written by a headmin about the specific antag they are playing.
Alot of stars have to align for this outcome but its amusing to think about.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Double post but concerning the antag itself and not a madeup fantasy....
It could literally give the changeling that absorbs them infinite chem storage and infinite dna and i would still call it noob bait for a changeling to absorb them, chemical storage is shit because chem regen is shit and likely made worse by time dilation (i watched my chem storage for half a minute waiting for it to tick up by ONE), you would need a massive supply of changeling sting drinks for it to matter and even then who the fuck cares if you have access to more abilities and can use them more often when they are just changeling abilities
Changeling's base kit is already as good as its gonna get at the start of the round, it doesn't scale to be much better unless you get better equipment, you dont have super powerful "spells" you have buttons that let you go back to left clicking people with your armblade or whatever weapon you come across.....its not like heretic where unlocking a new ability could be an instant win in a situation..
Meaning that someone else that can click on people and defend you when you get 2 shot by a stun baton is far more valuable than any amount of dna points or chem storage.
Infact the most robust changeling players i've seen dont even use armblade they use station equipment like captains laser and sabre and stun batons, the only time they use an ability its to help them keep using captains laser sabre and some stun baton.....nobody should give a damn about chem storage or dna points.
It could literally give the changeling that absorbs them infinite chem storage and infinite dna and i would still call it noob bait for a changeling to absorb them, chemical storage is shit because chem regen is shit and likely made worse by time dilation (i watched my chem storage for half a minute waiting for it to tick up by ONE), you would need a massive supply of changeling sting drinks for it to matter and even then who the fuck cares if you have access to more abilities and can use them more often when they are just changeling abilities
Changeling's base kit is already as good as its gonna get at the start of the round, it doesn't scale to be much better unless you get better equipment, you dont have super powerful "spells" you have buttons that let you go back to left clicking people with your armblade or whatever weapon you come across.....its not like heretic where unlocking a new ability could be an instant win in a situation..
Meaning that someone else that can click on people and defend you when you get 2 shot by a stun baton is far more valuable than any amount of dna points or chem storage.
Infact the most robust changeling players i've seen dont even use armblade they use station equipment like captains laser and sabre and stun batons, the only time they use an ability its to help them keep using captains laser sabre and some stun baton.....nobody should give a damn about chem storage or dna points.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A combat knife (20 damage)
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
A Bio terror foam grenade
A doorjack
A flash full of ritual wine (which heals them)
A combat knife (20 damage)
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
A Bio terror foam grenade
A doorjack
A flash full of ritual wine (which heals them)
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots rightTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:58 pm The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
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just a joke bud dont look into itArmhulen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:04 amuhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots rightTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:58 pm The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
You told me it would be easier to nerf them rather than buff em laterArmhulen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:04 amuhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots rightTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:58 pm The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
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itseasytosee was taken on the forums already.Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:05 amBro why are you version two of the person that made this PR.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
you decide the balance but if it drops and its just stupid you're going to leave a sour taste first impression that will be very hard for anyone to move on from jsykItseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:21 amYou told me it would be easier to nerf them rather than buff em laterArmhulen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:04 amuhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots rightTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:58 pm The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
Why does he need a gun capable of that damage output?
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
You gotta remember that these are solo antags where changeling cooperation is anticipated rather than codified in policy. If you give them a bunch of strong things and only make the teamup viable from the changelings perspective, fanatics will just run around being a slightly stronger solo blood brother. If there’s no policy change stopping it, they will even hunt the changelings who would also be seeking them out for points or otherwise.
The teamup is not like blood brothers or rev (group antags), there has to be solid gameplay incentives for a fanatic to risk their antag status to seek out and work with changelings.
The teamup is not like blood brothers or rev (group antags), there has to be solid gameplay incentives for a fanatic to risk their antag status to seek out and work with changelings.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
i'm starting to see the writing on the wall that this won't happen in practice but i'm still ok with trying all this out because the dev is working under the impression the antag can go easier than it cameTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm The teamup is not like blood brothers or rev (group antags), there has to be solid gameplay incentives for a fanatic to risk their antag status to seek out and work with changelings.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
yeah i nerfed itArmhulen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:55 amyou decide the balance but if it drops and its just stupid you're going to leave a sour taste first impression that will be very hard for anyone to move on from jsykItseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:21 amYou told me it would be easier to nerf them rather than buff em laterArmhulen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:04 amuhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots rightTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:58 pm The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
The deagle made sense, the Regal Condor is a Tiger Co-operative holy weapon after all.
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Re: Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)
thats where i got it fromNecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:05 am The deagle made sense, the Regal Condor is a Tiger Co-operative holy weapon after all.
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