Hydrogen Borg gets zapped to oblivion, bwoink ensues.

[DATAxPUNGED]

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Why the hell WAS the borg bringing a hydrogen canister to the escape shuttle anyways? Regardless, maybe Maia should've tried flashing them or something, but I don't blame them for the immediate action of taking down what could kill everyone on the shuttle.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Bringing a tank of flammable gas to the emergency escape shuttle and plugging it onto an atmos system definitely seems to qualify as the sort of thing that sec can blast people for without typing "Do not kill us all, You, Specifically, Borg 146" and waiting to see if it listens.

[britgrenadier1]

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Why the hell WAS the borg bringing a hydrogen canister to the escape shuttle anyways? Regardless, maybe Maia should've tried flashing them or something, but I don't blame them for the immediate action of taking down what could kill everyone on the shuttle.

EORG probably. The classic EORG prep canister/bomb that security usually never does anything about. Borg should have just labeled the can oxygen or something

[zxaber]

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Why the hell WAS the borg bringing a hydrogen canister to the escape shuttle anyways? Regardless, maybe Maia should've tried flashing them or something, but I don't blame them for the immediate action of taking down what could kill everyone on the shuttle.

EORG probably. The classic EORG prep canister/bomb that security usually never does anything about. Borg should have just labeled the can oxygen or something

The correct way to do this is via a beacon and teleporter. This way you never actually violate your laws, because within the context of the round (that is, before the round-end screen), you never put the canister onto the shuttle.

Alternatively, you RCD together a very quick containment structure and get the canister secured and locked down.

[PapaMichael]

"I have this item that can kill the entire shuttle, but you're supposed to ignore it because you meta-know it's for EORG" has felt like utterly failrp and never sat well with me.

It feels like Maia got noted for actually RPing and treating the TTV-esque threat as something worth immediate action against, while the borg failrped so he could burn 2d spessmen after the round end and got off fine.

If I was playing sec, and I saw someone drag a shielded canister of hot gas into medbay, that would register as a severe immediate threat to everyone in there. I'd personally feel justified using lethals and not asking questions, and I don't think the shuttle should be treated any differently just because of meta-knowledge of the existence of EORG (which seems to be the subtext here)

[iansdoor]

I seen quite alot of canister fails and hot shuttles. I don't know how you are supposed to RP that threat without knowledge of its existence prior. My question is did the borg ask its ai or anyone else before bringing the hot thing aboard?

[yttriums]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

[TheLoLSwat]

least banhappy manuelmins

[NecromancerAnne]

I believe prior precedent for this is 'don't bring flammable canisters onto the shuttle'. The impact of that is entirely on the one who dragged it aboard. Especially if its a fucking cyborg on Asimov. This is on the borg, not Maia.

[datorangebottle]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

bwoink
datorangebottle: excuse me, why the fuck did you just break that innocent table? this is improper escalation.

[DrAmazing343]

Definitely feel like bringing almost any atmos canister except O2 or Air onto the shuttle should be grounds for lethal retaliation. Of course, we should encourage and pray for words and roleplay, but in my experience?

I've personally held back on shoving over and cuffing an atmos techie that was dragging a plasma can towards the shuttle, and it lead to almost everyone on that shuttle getting killed. If I hadn't restrained myself in hopes of roleplay or more stable escalation, maybe people wouldn't have died. In the end, it really is NOT something to fuck around with, both on an IC and an OOC level, and I respect and understand the actions taken here.

[Constellado]

No borg should be bringing over such a dangerous can onto the shuttle, especially without CE or captain permission. It is something a malf borg would do IC, and is VERY easy for an antag to just walk up to it and open it. OOC yes we know its for EORG but IC its a borg bringing a weapon of mass destruction onto the shuttle. Plus, the sec officer couldn't have used disablers because its a borg. Only other option was to have the office walk up to the borg and flash twice to get the can off. IC the borg looks malf or subverted, so going law 2 is also out of the question.

It feels like the borg was ban baiting.

[Justice12354]

We see no issue in people preparing or participating in EROG, however. If you're going to do EORG you should take some effort to conceal or protect your devices. There shouldn't be a circumstance where you're just walking forward and have a max cap dragging behind you onto the shuttle.

Given that Cyborgs are incredibly limited in ways to conceal EORG toys (someone mentioned that you could possibly use bluespace vendors to do your EORG shenanigans but Idk how that works), they are equally limited when it comes to getting protected by this ruling. If you drag a canister of blazing hot Hydrogen to the shuttle, regardless of being borg or not, and someone else opens it, get ready to get your cheeks clapped by this headmin ruling. Protecting your devices is a core part of this ruling. However, nowhere in the ruling says this applies differently to Silicons and I'd like to think it doesn't because that'd be a big poo-poo in our pants. If you manage to sneak in a weapon of mass destruction into the shuttle as an ASIMOV Cyborg and conceal it, I'll clap my hands for you

I'd also like to keep in mind that destructive weapons are not inherently harm and that we allow players to prepare for EORG under made-up bullshit reasons such as "I'm bringing this TTV to CentCom for Research!", so fuck it; let the Silicon players do some shenanigans too!

Spoiler:

To make it clear, I don't think the Borgo is in the right here... I'm just interpreting the headmin ruling

[conrad]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35599

Why the hell WAS the borg bringing a hydrogen canister to the escape shuttle anyways? Regardless, maybe Maia should've tried flashing them or something, but I don't blame them for the immediate action of taking down what could kill everyone on the shuttle.

EORG probably. The classic EORG prep canister/bomb that security usually never does anything about. Borg should have just labeled the can oxygen or something

Notes like these feel like a solid disencouragement to do anything about. Suppose that borg was emagged:

"Borg what is that?"
"Uh" massive explosion/plume of fire

I'm very pleased with this outcome. Don't get caught with EORG stuff, and don't activate it before the end of round. All's well that ends well, then.

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

OH MY GOD
sigged

Just a disclaimer since people seem to be really rowdy nowadays, ahelp if you feel like a rule's been broken regardless of what role you're playing.

[dendydoom]

"say something first" is the secret code to getting away with a lot of stuff on mrp. sometimes you make a call where you don't think it's reasonable to be expected to talk first, but when you do it makes the experience of getting owned a lot more palatable. when people get capped wordlessly they tend to assume the worst about the person doing it.

that being said, prepping for eorg is the worst shit imaginable my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. eorg is ooc.

[Epicgamer545]

Yeah, you guys, I honestly fucked up on this one. Once I figured out that it was EORG I shuttered internally. I'll try not to do this again in the future.

[Cheshify]

Wonderful conduct from both player and admin. Entirely respectful discussion leading to a resolution. No need to feel sorry Epicgamer, sometimes you get it wrong and you'll never be in trouble for that.

[DrAmazing343]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

how did I miss this in my first scan of this thread holy FUCKING SHIT HAHHAHA

[Timberpoes]

Wonderful conduct from both player and admin. Entirely respectful discussion leading to a resolution. No need to feel sorry Epicgamer, sometimes you get it wrong and you'll never be in trouble for that.

Wrong, deheadminning you now.

[kieth4]

We see no issue in people preparing or participating in EROG, however. If you're going to do EORG you should take some effort to conceal or protect your devices. There shouldn't be a circumstance where you're just walking forward and have a max cap dragging behind you onto the shuttle.

Given that Cyborgs are incredibly limited in ways to conceal EORG toys (someone mentioned that you could possibly use bluespace vendors to do your EORG shenanigans but Idk how that works), they are equally limited when it comes to getting protected by this ruling. If you drag a canister of blazing hot Hydrogen to the shuttle, regardless of being borg or not, and someone else opens it, get ready to get your cheeks clapped by this headmin ruling. Protecting your devices is a core part of this ruling. However, nowhere in the ruling says this applies differently to Silicons and I'd like to think it doesn't because that'd be a big poo-poo in our pants. If you manage to sneak in a weapon of mass destruction into the shuttle as an ASIMOV Cyborg and conceal it, I'll clap my hands for you

I'd also like to keep in mind that destructive weapons are not inherently harm and that we allow players to prepare for EORG under made-up bullshit reasons such as "I'm bringing this TTV to CentCom for Research!", so fuck it; let the Silicon players do some shenanigans too!

Spoiler:

To make it clear, I don't think the Borgo is in the right here... I'm just interpreting the headmin ruling

God that headmin was so sexy and awesome and six-pack...

[kieth4]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

Best take in this thread

[RedBaronFlyer]

total clanker death

[BonChoi]

Just replying to log my participation on security note / ban appeals peanut threads. Now all we're missing is Prussen.

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[2024-01-14 23:03:01.291] GAME-SAY: 23:03:01.291] GAME-SAY: DATAxPUNGED/(Azdak-Keztaf) (mob_4317) "The hell's this, fafnir?" (Engineering (99,112,2))
[2024-01-14 23:03:13.716] GAME-SAY: 23:03:13.716] GAME-SAY: Pratty420/(Fafnir) (mob_3416) "Making Hydrogen" (Engineering (101,112,2))

...I wasn't expecting my static to appear in the ban appeal, so it was in THAT round. Just for the record, the escape shuttle that time was that birdshot one with multiple small rooms instead of a big one

[Itseasytosee2me]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

very good take

[Critawakets]

we shouldn't protect players for this sorta stuff just because they didn't fuck up to the highest degree

you know damn well the borg player would've recieved atleast a week ban if the hydrogen ignited.

[Justice12354]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

Please never stop posting

[EmpressMaia]

remove ahelp from silicons

[PapaMichael]

post in ones own peanut cringe etc etc

[EmpressMaia]

post in ones own peanut cringe etc etc

you are not free of sins either and i will see you in the 4th circle

[oranges]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

the concept of this fucking sent me, can we get this illustrated by some of tg's talented drawers

[TheLoLSwat]

W admin, good appeal

[Dax Dupont]

borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it

It's early but I nominate this for post of 2024