🌙 Headmin Election 19 Discussion Thread 🌙

[dragomagol]

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Who will wax? Who will wane? Will Cheshify make someone cry at the debates? Find out on today's edition of the Headmin Elections!

Campaign Threads:
Rex9001
Kieth4
Timberpoes
TheBibleMelts
WalterMeldron
Kinnebian
DendyDoom
Tegun
Tattle

[BonChoi]

I dunno this dennis person but if she's anything like dennis the menace we're all doomed (for a number of months)

[TheRex9001]

Stiff competition that I’m gonna beat, they’ve all had their chance before this one.

[ekaterina]

Strong candidates so far. They all have many things I like but some things I dislike. Kieth's probably going to end up as my top pick, but we'll see how it unfolds.

[Lizardistaken]

Well that's it less interesting. I wanna see effective, tangible, feasible change on headmin threads, not just reverting what was done literally the term before.

i think it is fair for a player representative to want to revert changes that many players aren't very happy about. i also like that the essence of his policies is to allow for interactions and conflict to happen more organically, which shows that there is more to his ideas than simply "just reverting past-term changes". this is overall really good because in my experience the best way to properly get into the game-spirit and do different kinds of fun roleplay has always been through organic interactions without any ooc interference. the mentors addition is pretty interesting as well, it seems like it'd be genuinely helpful to new players.

[Cheshify]

is to allow for interactions and conflict to happen more organically...
...the best way to properly get into the game-spirit and do different kinds of fun roleplay has always been through organic interactions without any ooc interference.

Dude
Please actually read the space law thing. It's IC and exists to promote IC interaction on LRP and MRP. It doesn't actively prevent you from doing anything at all, in fact, it removes OOC restrictions on you in exchange for IC ones that only security might give a damn about. You breaking space law isn't a thing admins will bwoink you for, only the server rules.

The space law change was made and crafted specifically to encourage ss13 game experience.

Also it's been literally 1 week since it's been put into effect.

[Lizardistaken]

Dude
Please actually read the space law thing. It's IC and exists to promote IC interaction on LRP and MRP. It doesn't actively prevent you from doing anything at all, in fact, it removes OOC restrictions on you in exchange for IC ones.

The space law change was made and crafted specifically to encourage ss13 game experience.

Also it's been literally 1 week since it's been put into effect.

i am not strictly talking about space law here... but on that topic, kieth himself has already quite decently described the potential issues concerning that in this very thread, which isn't related to what i was talking about anyway. that aside, i was referring to his rule 5 change as well as his tiding policy. in fact i never even mentioned space law in the first place so that reply just seems really random.

[Nabski]

Dead as a community only four people put up a thread so far and all of them have done it before.

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Rex was under a different name.

[Drag]

We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide

[RedBaronFlyer]

We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide

It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that

[Vekter]

I know we haven't had everyone post threads yet, but I'm likely going to support another Timber or Xemo term. Both have done very well in the past.

If you absolutely want someone who's new to headmin for the role for whatever reason, looks like Rex is your only option at the moment.

[TheRex9001]

So many darn old headmins running, they had their chance! New, fresh blood is needed to keep up with a constantly changing world! I also updated my headmin thread to the folks who care (everyone in this thread)

[Timberpoes]

I had to run.

I wanna work with Dendy and our rules pages are too complex. Dendy's the kinda co-headmin that would be a perfect partner in crime for reworking/rewriting/reimagining the core server rules.

[Nabski]

So many darn old headmins running, they had their chance! New, fresh blood is needed to keep up with a constantly changing world! I also updated my headmin thread to the folks who care (everyone in this thread)

Don't believe his lies. I would remind everyone that this is just arm in a trenchcoat but he like, didn't even bother to button up the coat.

[Dax Dupont]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

[TheRex9001]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

No one is perfect! But we can strive to be. Could you be more specific about the busywork parts?

[vect0r]

I had to run.

I wanna work with Dendy and our rules pages are too complex. Dendy's the kinda co-headmin that would be a perfect partner in crime for reworking/rewriting/reimagining the core server rules.

I hope if you get headmin you will start timberposting again, correct?

[Timberpoes]

I hope if you get headmin you will start timberposting again, correct?

It's mandatory.

[conrad]

We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide

It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that

Drinks were spilt, sides taken to orbit, stolen and sigged.

[TheRex9001]

So many darn old headmins running, they had their chance! New, fresh blood is needed to keep up with a constantly changing world! I also updated my headmin thread to the folks who care (everyone in this thread)

Don't believe his lies. I would remind everyone that this is just arm in a trenchcoat but he like, didn't even bother to button up the coat.

2 arms, 2 legs, one head and we are fucking ROLLING

[TheLoLSwat]

The (very early) First Tierlist is done!

After a sorta rocky start, this term managed to do quite a bit in terms of policy shifting and sorting. Guessing this wouldve been a quiet status-quo term couldnt have been more off the money and Im grateful for that. With all that being said, we have our first batch of candidates for the first new term of 2024.





Notes

• Congrats on DendyDoom for winning the hostvote! Even if she didnt and ran normally she would be a very strong candidate especially for the adminvote which is insane considering the competition this time around

• A lot of previous headmins are running, including someone who is currently headmin!

• Only very slightly ordered within tiers, bigger gaps are between tiers

• Hopefully we can get more people running so this list can be filled out and shaken up

• Unlike the last election, we have pretty clear frontrunners very early on, Its looking to be an uphill battle for everyone else

• (Atleast for right now) Placements are relative to one another for the most part

Good luck to all candidates! Make sure to have yourself seen on servers and discord very frequently since those are where the majority of votes are coming from!

[Timonk]

So many darn old headmins running, they had their chance! New, fresh blood is needed to keep up with a constantly changing world! I also updated my headmin thread to the folks who care (everyone in this thread)

we need responsible adults to lead the server (THIS IS A CODEWORD FOR OLD PEOPLE)

[kinnebian]

i shouldnt run

[kinnebian]

my doctor told me not to

[kinnebian]

i will run next term i think

[TheRex9001]

The (very early) First Tierlist is done!

After a sorta rocky start, this term managed to do quite a bit in terms of policy shifting and sorting. Guessing this wouldve been a quiet status-quo term couldnt have been more off the money and Im grateful for that. With all that being said, we have our first batch of candidates for the first new term of 2024.

You know what, I'm taking the B. B stands for based and best!

[dendydoom]

i've never been ranked so highly in anything before. the implications this has for my ego will be disastrous...

also i've been reminded about the host vote making a campaign thread and i shall be doing this. it was not a conscious decision not to, i just forgot that this was a thing people did!!

[TheRex9001]

Rip WalterMeldron, having second thoughts is fine and its usually good to act on something with more reflection. Looks like its just me vs 3 previous headmins who are all also fighting each other at once before 2 of us get elected and work together as a great team.

[iansdoor]

Rip WalterMeldron, having second thoughts is fine and its usually good to act on something with more reflection. Looks like its just me vs 3 previous headmins who are all also fighting each other at once before 2 of us get elected and work together as a great team.

Ah sad! I do enjoy more Terry candidates! I was chatting with him what he should mention! TV TV TV and amount of maints clown is unreal.. I am not sure who to vote for.

I'll vote you Rex. New blood is always good! Though project started in headmin terms, take two terms to finish up.

Timbers is the other runner up, literally kept doing headmin stuff till he wasn't allowed to. I respect that the most from his first term, when the others were done and burnt out.

[iansdoor]

i've never been ranked so highly in anything before. the implications this has for my ego will be disastrous...

also i've been reminded about the host vote making a campaign thread and i shall be doing this. it was not a conscious decision not to, i just forgot that this was a thing people did!!

I hope to see. "I am already headmin and there is nothing you can do about that!!!" That sentence cracks me up good.

[TheRex9001]

Rip WalterMeldron, having second thoughts is fine and its usually good to act on something with more reflection. Looks like its just me vs 3 previous headmins who are all also fighting each other at once before 2 of us get elected and work together as a great team.

Ah sad! I do enjoy more Terry candidates! I was chatting with him what he should mention! TV TV TV and amount of maints clown is unreal.. I am not sure who to vote for.

I'll vote you Rex. New blood is always good! Though project started in headmin terms, take two terms to finish up.

Timbers is the other runner up, literally kept doing headmin stuff till he wasn't allowed to. I respect that the most from his first term, when the others were done and burnt out.

WOOOO!!! You get the complementary t-shirt!!!!

[Higgin]

We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide

I want you to run on this platform

Also I'd like more elaboration on Timber's ideas about what changes to make to support the kinds of play he's identified between LRP and MRP

besides the rule condensing and keeping the lights on (both very good things on which pretty much all of the candidates can point to great records) I think that's an important philosophical issue for any headmin to have clear ideas and vision about

[Dax Dupont]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

No one is perfect! But we can strive to be. Could you be more specific about the busywork parts?

The adminpm guideline and headmins always posting "we're looking into this" makes it feels like we're some kind of call center. I fear it might lead to more soulless handling of tickets.

I'm not great at describing it

[oranges]

would it help if they were like

Fucking hell what a mess, we're gonna go to the pub with some beers and mull this one over.

[dendydoom]

sometimes it's hard to know what to say to a player to end a ticket when you can't tell them what they want to hear. often players want the other person obliterated from orbit until nought remains but ash, but this is usually not a fair or reasonable decision. you can easily slip into "defending" your ruling and it can be an invitation to re-engage on a matter that you consider resolved, and a lot of the desired "skill" in handling issues is de-escalating, resolving and disengaging.

offering too much information will often turn the ticket into a long winded debate, entirely unfocused with people passing essays to one another. over something that, in the grand scheme of things, probably doesn't matter all that much. usually.

but honestly, "handled", "resolved", etc are memes at this point and shouldn't really be used if you can help it at all.

there is no one-size-fits-all approach. everyone has their own style. some admins want to be friends with the whole server. some admins want to resolve issues efficiently so they're not wasting player time and can keep the game moving.

[conrad]

Goddamnit I had them questions prepared for Waltermeldron and he just up and drops out.

[TheRex9001]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

No one is perfect! But we can strive to be. Could you be more specific about the busywork parts?

The adminpm guideline and headmins always posting "we're looking into this" makes it feels like we're some kind of call center. I fear it might lead to more soulless handling of tickets.

I'm not great at describing it

I think I understand where you are coming from, I disagree and its how I handle a lot of my tickets. I feel like it leads to the player being more satisfied and at least personally it feels good to end stuff of on a good note, like a "good luck with [insert thing they were doing]" and I think players like it more. Headminwise, I don't have a lot to say because I do that "I'm looking into it" on tickets. Of course admins should still feel free to pursue their own paths but these are just the ways I personally found to reach that end goal of good understanding in a ticket.

[TheRex9001]

sometimes it's hard to know what to say to a player to end a ticket when you can't tell them what they want to hear. often players want the other person obliterated from orbit until nought remains but ash, but this is usually not a fair or reasonable decision. you can easily slip into "defending" your ruling and it can be an invitation to re-engage on a matter that you consider resolved, and a lot of the desired "skill" in handling issues is de-escalating, resolving and disengaging.

offering too much information will often turn the ticket into a long winded debate, entirely unfocused with people passing essays to one another. over something that, in the grand scheme of things, probably doesn't matter all that much. usually.

but honestly, "handled", "resolved", etc are memes at this point and shouldn't really be used if you can help it at all.

there is no one-size-fits-all approach. everyone has their own style. some admins want to be friends with the whole server. some admins want to resolve issues efficiently so they're not wasting player time and can keep the game moving.

Goddammit moments after I post my thing dendy has made a post that better describes my opinion.

[datorangebottle]

He's already headmin(again), there's nothing you can do to stop him.

[iansdoor]

sometimes it's hard to know what to say to a player to end a ticket when you can't tell them what they want to hear. often players want the other person obliterated from orbit until nought remains but ash, but this is usually not a fair or reasonable decision. you can easily slip into "defending" your ruling and it can be an invitation to re-engage on a matter that you consider resolved, and a lot of the desired "skill" in handling issues is de-escalating, resolving and disengaging.

offering too much information will often turn the ticket into a long winded debate, entirely unfocused with people passing essays to one another. over something that, in the grand scheme of things, probably doesn't matter all that much. usually.

but honestly, "handled", "resolved", etc are memes at this point and shouldn't really be used if you can help it at all.

there is no one-size-fits-all approach. everyone has their own style. some admins want to be friends with the whole server. some admins want to resolve issues efficiently so they're not wasting player time and can keep the game moving.

I always say have a good morning/afternoon/evening/night, that usually signals the end of the ticket. 99.8% have replied "you as well". No hard feelings.

Though if you are talking about tricky situations, where you are full of bias. An admin can always ask for help from another to take over that situation. The hard part is ego or short time constraint in asking for help.

[Indie-ana Jones]

My prediction is that Timber is guaranteed the admin vote, and the player vote will essentially boil down to Keith vs. TBM. Keith has my vote.

The one big thing I liked from TBM was the the idea of servers tiered by threat as opposed to rp level (Sybil has been very boring since the latest batch of dynamic changes), but I don't if I'd trust them to combine those rulesets nor do I think there will ever be enough support for that idea due to the very big us vs. them mindset. Keith's viewpoint on most things are ones I share, so I would deem him overall a better representative of what I want.

[iansdoor]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

No one is perfect! But we can strive to be. Could you be more specific about the busywork parts?

The adminpm guideline and headmins always posting "we're looking into this" makes it feels like we're some kind of call center. I fear it might lead to more soulless handling of tickets.

I'm not great at describing it

I also dislike that as well, has the vibes of "do you have a moment?" Both don't really help the situation as that sentence is too vague.

[TheRex9001]

I respect your opinions but I generally enjoy being informed that my appeal or ticket hasnt gone neglected. I would prefer ”I’m looking into it” over radio silence and a full response 25 minutes later. Its a small amount of effort that I think really helps make tickets less hostile, and I think the same could be true for appeals. To make it clear I want to encourage but not force admins to use these methods.

[DrAmazing343]

I think Timber and Xemo should have a best of 3, heavily publicized, streamed Toolbox-Tourney style 1v1. If something like that happened, it’d make it much easier to write fanfiction about all this for the library.

[DrAmazing343]

-therexsnip-

Unrelated to the contents of that message, and on a more genuine note than my last post, you’re quite active in this thread and specifically what you can do to be a good headmin/change people’s minds. I haven’t seen nearly enough of your work around Manuel to swing my vote your way, but know that you have my respect as a candidate and I hope the best for your campaign! It’s refreshing, as always, to see such good energy.

[TheRex9001]

-therexsnip-

Unrelated to the contents of that message, and on a more genuine note than my last post, you’re quite active in this thread and specifically what you can do to be a good headmin/change people’s minds. I haven’t seen nearly enough of your work around Manuel to swing my vote your way, but know that you have my respect as a candidate and I hope the best for your campaign! It’s refreshing, as always, to see such good energy.

Love to Hear it, I’ll swing by Manuel some more. Its just very akward with timezones and lag but I’ve had fun everytime I’ve made the journey.

[kieth4]

I respect your opinions but I generally enjoy being informed that my appeal or ticket hasnt gone neglected. I would prefer ”I’m looking into it” over radio silence and a full response 25 minutes later. Its a small amount of effort that I think really helps make tickets less hostile, and I think the same could be true for appeals. To make it clear I want to encourage but not force admins to use these methods.

Bro even being told hey we don't know is better than silence

[dendydoom]

I think Timber and Xemo should have a best of 3, heavily publicized, streamed Toolbox-Tourney style 1v1. If something like that happened, it’d make it much easier to write fanfiction about all this for the library.

me watching the proceedings reclined on a silk chaise longue while a trialmin feeds me grapes and another fans me with a big palm leaf

[conrad]

I think Timber and Xemo should have a best of 3, heavily publicized, streamed Toolbox-Tourney style 1v1. If something like that happened, it’d make it much easier to write fanfiction about all this for the library.

me watching the proceedings reclined on a silk chaise longue while a trialmin feeds me grapes and another fans me with a big palm leaf

Which trialmins?

[Vekter]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

No one is perfect! But we can strive to be. Could you be more specific about the busywork parts?

The adminpm guideline and headmins always posting "we're looking into this" makes it feels like we're some kind of call center. I fear it might lead to more soulless handling of tickets.

I'm not great at describing it

The problem is that we also get feedback saying that we're not professional enough in how we handle things, so like...

[Sightld2]

We should answer all ahelps in character

[TheBibleMelts]

We better get more candidates.
I'm not sure what I think of anyone outside of timberpoes.

Keith4 wasn't a great headmin and most of his ideas are "meh" at best. I'm divided over TBM while they have done good things I don't feel like they're the right way for me, Walter's a great dude but his thread and points feel bare but it's early days, rex's has a few busywork points when it comes to bureaucracy.

No one is perfect! But we can strive to be. Could you be more specific about the busywork parts?

The adminpm guideline and headmins always posting "we're looking into this" makes it feels like we're some kind of call center. I fear it might lead to more soulless handling of tickets.

I'm not great at describing nit

The problem is that we also get feedback saying that we're not professional enough in how we handle things, so like...

admins ain't being paid, they don't need to act like outsourced customer service representatives. as long as they're being cool and helpful I couldn't be caught dead giving a damn about how casual they're acting.