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It sounds like you are having one right now, i am having a hard time comprehending what you are trying to sayJOB GENERAL
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I had one of the higher-ups in the firm call me for advice on putting something together similar to what I do regularly (just on a different topic). Someone legitimately deferred to my experience.
That's fucking weird.
That's fucking weird.
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Moderating singulo is a full time job
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Job? But you do it for free.
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Licensed paramedic. Full time with overtime.
Came close to failing the medic program once. I was rocking it with a 90% until my phone decided to turn off automatic time adjustment one day, so I showed up 30 minutes late to take the mid term. After 3 hours of driving back and forth between the main campus and HSCI campus, my teacher decided that I'm too good of a student to fail. He convinced the teacher of the next days class to let me attend his since they were taking the mid term that day.
Came close to failing the medic program once. I was rocking it with a 90% until my phone decided to turn off automatic time adjustment one day, so I showed up 30 minutes late to take the mid term. After 3 hours of driving back and forth between the main campus and HSCI campus, my teacher decided that I'm too good of a student to fail. He convinced the teacher of the next days class to let me attend his since they were taking the mid term that day.
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Tire Technician:
Mount tires, balance them, repair them. All that shit.
I can do pretty much anything tire related expertly and efficiently. I mean, I can change a whole set of tires on a car in less than 20 minutes, assuming they're normal stock wheels and a common size (14-16in). What's a real pain in the ass are the 20in+ luxury chrome wheels, they're tough to mount, balance, and even take/put back in the car. They also tend to be very low quality so they bend if you so much as knick a curb or a sidewalk, and it just leaks around the wheel until a poor bastard like me has to fix it. And they're very popular in my area so I never catch a break. I like my job, though. It's fun and gratifying. And I get tips(which is weird, guess since I do a quick and thorough job) from random customers for small things like airing up a tire. It's also really unlikely that a robber will want to rob a tire shop so I feel safer than working somewhere else.
Mount tires, balance them, repair them. All that shit.
I can do pretty much anything tire related expertly and efficiently. I mean, I can change a whole set of tires on a car in less than 20 minutes, assuming they're normal stock wheels and a common size (14-16in). What's a real pain in the ass are the 20in+ luxury chrome wheels, they're tough to mount, balance, and even take/put back in the car. They also tend to be very low quality so they bend if you so much as knick a curb or a sidewalk, and it just leaks around the wheel until a poor bastard like me has to fix it. And they're very popular in my area so I never catch a break. I like my job, though. It's fun and gratifying. And I get tips(which is weird, guess since I do a quick and thorough job) from random customers for small things like airing up a tire. It's also really unlikely that a robber will want to rob a tire shop so I feel safer than working somewhere else.
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It does sound like a job with a lot of physical labour involved.
Must be quite tiring.
Must be quite tiring.
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he is secretly stealing your internets to sell for MAD DOSH erry time you visit singuloSaegrimr wrote:Job? But you do it for free.
he makes two (2) dollars per shitpost
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You just gotta roll with it.DemonFiren wrote:It does sound like a job with a lot of physical labour involved.
Must be quite tiring.
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on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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Ba-dum-tishRicotez wrote:You just gotta roll with it.DemonFiren wrote:It does sound like a job with a lot of physical labour involved.
Must be quite tiring.
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- ThanatosRa
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Is it bad that this place is my only form of entertainment at work? As in I get on here every break and lunch just to maintain my sanity and if I could get away with it, would actually browse while at my desk.
my forum gimmick is that no one knows who i am
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
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Same here. This, Fallen London, FARK, and Facebook are pretty much the only thing that keep me from spazzing out when I've got nothing to do. Unfortunately all four of these things move pretty slowly.ThanatosRa wrote:Is it bad that this place is my only form of entertainment at work? As in I get on here every break and lunch just to maintain my sanity and if I could get away with it, would actually browse while at my desk.
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Funny story I just heard though. So I work in a call center that does work for multiple campaigns for multiple clients. Lucky me that i work in a special special project for one of them that has me making maybe one or two calls a day at most.
One of the other campaigns does work for Sony. PSN stuff, troubleshooting, etc. A friend of a friend is Tier 2 over there and ended delaing with a call for a guy who was banned for innappropriate gamertag. He was a very polite and friendly gentleman apparently, engaged well, but as the story was told to me, the man had a preoccupation with killing and gassing jews in his selection of gamer tags. I... actually can't remember most of them, except for the most memorable.
I do have to say that I'm going to go to hell for beiing amused at "AnneFrankenstein".
One of the other campaigns does work for Sony. PSN stuff, troubleshooting, etc. A friend of a friend is Tier 2 over there and ended delaing with a call for a guy who was banned for innappropriate gamertag. He was a very polite and friendly gentleman apparently, engaged well, but as the story was told to me, the man had a preoccupation with killing and gassing jews in his selection of gamer tags. I... actually can't remember most of them, except for the most memorable.
I do have to say that I'm going to go to hell for beiing amused at "AnneFrankenstein".
my forum gimmick is that no one knows who i am
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
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see me show up to my job interview wearing a pair of jncos with a smaller pair of jncos underneath them
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Today on I Shouldn't Get Paid For This Theatre:
An attorney sent me an article, asking if I could get her the opinion mentioned in the article. The article had a hyperlink directly to the opinion she was looking for.
An attorney sent me an article, asking if I could get her the opinion mentioned in the article. The article had a hyperlink directly to the opinion she was looking for.
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Did you tell her the opinion mentioned in that article is that attorneys should learn how to read?
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"Opinion" as in "published decision by judges", but no. I didn't want to embarrass her. It actually took longer than it should have because I couldn't believe the situation and tried to find the document elsewhere at first.
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- ThanatosRa
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There is a possibility that I am getting a front row seat to our Assistance and possible replacement. We just got a bunch of new people on remote access tier 3 support.
Problem is, they're in Manila. Make your own conclusions.
Problem is, they're in Manila. Make your own conclusions.
my forum gimmick is that no one knows who i am
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
- srifenbyxp
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I won't say what security company I work for, but my 2nd job which is purely contacted work made a fancy new website. The only problem is the "testimonies" are flat out fake and even a child can tell, one of the testimonies is "Good and highly professional- Store Manager". Yes that is the actual testimony.
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- EndgamerAzari
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Jesus Christ, they could at least make up a name and write a review that doesn't sound like something a burnt-out college Junior wrote on a professor evaluation to make it seem like he was paying attention.
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What kind of store?Mandurrh wrote:I own a store
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Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
- Mandurrh
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shippingstore/copycenter/printshop/webdesign/pcrepairs/smallofficenetworking Im kind of like a one stop shop for small businesses in the area.Ikarrus wrote:What kind of store?Mandurrh wrote:I own a store
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Owning a small business is pretty coolMandurrh wrote:shippingstore/copycenter/printshop/webdesign/pcrepairs/smallofficenetworking Im kind of like a one stop shop for small businesses in the area.Ikarrus wrote:What kind of store?Mandurrh wrote:I own a store
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Who is this guy?
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That actually sounds like a pretty fulfilling career. Do you like it?Mandurrh wrote:shippingstore/copycenter/printshop/webdesign/pcrepairs/smallofficenetworking Im kind of like a one stop shop for small businesses in the area.Ikarrus wrote:What kind of store?Mandurrh wrote:I own a store
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Is there anything more satisfying at work than bollocking someone for being stupid, especially when they're usually a condescending bitch?
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I'd say having someone praise you for doing "excellent work" in a "timely manner" when you honestly took way longer than you should have on an incredibly menial task and frankly half-assed it is better, at least since it doesn't carry with it the possibility of retribution.Malkevin wrote:Is there anything more satisfying at work than bollocking someone for being stupid, especially when they're usually a condescending bitch?
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Meh, I get that all the time because people are too dumb to know how computers work
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But you have some computer sorcerer education.
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EndgamerAzari wrote:That actually sounds like a pretty fulfilling career. Do you like it?Mandurrh wrote:shippingstore/copycenter/printshop/webdesign/pcrepairs/smallofficenetworking Im kind of like a one stop shop for small businesses in the area.Ikarrus wrote:What kind of store?Mandurrh wrote:I own a store
It's nice because I was able to take my son to work with me and I'm able to make my own schedule. If something comes up or I need off I don't need anyone's permission. I don't make a lot and being in charge of your own paycheck going through is stressful but it really allowed me to parent the way I always wanted to.
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That's great! Always nice to hear of someone living life in a way that's satisfying to them.
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Metallurgy used to be my profession, now it's my interest/passion/hobby, Unfortunately the one aspect I qualify as skilled labor in, Galvanizing, I've been shunted out of ass backwards. Due to fire, and then intra-office maneuvering.
Now I hop from retail and fastfood and craptastic jobs as I work on my casting and wire work, till I reach a quality I find consistent enough for etsy.
Lesson learned, if you are going to care about metallurgy in this day and age, generalize as a welder, bitches love welders.
Now I hop from retail and fastfood and craptastic jobs as I work on my casting and wire work, till I reach a quality I find consistent enough for etsy.
Lesson learned, if you are going to care about metallurgy in this day and age, generalize as a welder, bitches love welders.
Ham Sammich, beating a dead horse since 2010.
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I'm specializing in cyber security but I find learning machines infinitely more interesting.
On the other hand, when I hear tales from my friend who has to wait hours to train his support vector machines, maybe it's not so bad.
On the other hand, when I hear tales from my friend who has to wait hours to train his support vector machines, maybe it's not so bad.
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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OH SWEET JESUS DID I LOSE IT
Also I once manage to get law enforcement to call in a Choppi on my overnight shift a few months back to do a thermal scan sweep of the entire mall I work at. Boy that officers road sergeant was pissed when they couldn't find that man.
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I finally may have found someone to let me work in their lab for free this summer!
That sounds less awesome when i type it out, but at least i will be able to do cool research shit like i have always wanted
That sounds less awesome when i type it out, but at least i will be able to do cool research shit like i have always wanted
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tusterman11 wrote:Can you stop lying? I just asked you and you are was a piece of shiit on me!!!
EngamerAzari's real number one fangirl <3Kor wrote:I wish Wyzack was still an admin.
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That sort of experience can be invaluable on a resume, or at least I'm told.Wyzack wrote:I finally may have found someone to let me work in their lab for free this summer!
That sounds less awesome when i type it out, but at least i will be able to do cool research shit like i have always wanted
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>Inna hanger
>My A&P supervisor, another lineman, and I are doing a weight and balance check on a Cessna Citation
>All done, time to lower it off the jacks
>Alright, on the count of three we'll all lower the jacks slowly so it comes down nice and level
>One
>Two
>I slowly release my hydraulic valve
>A&P slowly releases his hydraulic valve
>Urist McFagengreytide opens his valve all the way
>The left jack fully retracts, causing the Citation to slide off the other two jacks
>I know of no picture nor video in existence that can describe my feelings as I watched that beautiful, freshly painted corporate jets left wing slam into the ground in slow motion
>I don't think there is any way in any form of communication to describe the pilots face after he came out of the office to see what was going on
That's it, I'm turning in my papers Monday. I quit, gg no re. I refuse to work with these braindead subhuman retards who will eventually get me sued or killed.
At least this will give me more time to devote to school, not that my grades are where they need to be. If I don't make it in this program I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do, and it looks like I won't make it.
>My A&P supervisor, another lineman, and I are doing a weight and balance check on a Cessna Citation
>All done, time to lower it off the jacks
>Alright, on the count of three we'll all lower the jacks slowly so it comes down nice and level
>One
>Two
>I slowly release my hydraulic valve
>A&P slowly releases his hydraulic valve
>Urist McFagengreytide opens his valve all the way
>The left jack fully retracts, causing the Citation to slide off the other two jacks
>I know of no picture nor video in existence that can describe my feelings as I watched that beautiful, freshly painted corporate jets left wing slam into the ground in slow motion
>I don't think there is any way in any form of communication to describe the pilots face after he came out of the office to see what was going on
That's it, I'm turning in my papers Monday. I quit, gg no re. I refuse to work with these braindead subhuman retards who will eventually get me sued or killed.
At least this will give me more time to devote to school, not that my grades are where they need to be. If I don't make it in this program I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do, and it looks like I won't make it.
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Studying for a bachelor of science in engineering. This is the first year so everyone has the same stuff, but I'm going for electrical engineering.
- ThanatosRa
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I, and my compatriots, are lead and surrounded by incompetents. Also I may get stuck late at work due to being reliable.
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gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
- John_Oxford
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I work as a bartender for a bar just down my street.
Generally, if you fold you arms together, smoke a cigar, and stare into the soul of everyone that walks into the door, no fights ever happen.
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Generally, if you fold you arms together, smoke a cigar, and stare into the soul of everyone that walks into the door, no fights ever happen.
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I always wanted to try my hand at bartending, but it's hard to get those jobs with no experience. A ladyfriend of mine says I should try to get a job bartending in a gay bar and I'd get rich off the tips.
In other news, I still hate my job and am looking for something else, but my hopes aren't any higher than they used to be.
In other news, I still hate my job and am looking for something else, but my hopes aren't any higher than they used to be.
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I just started back at Walmart again
Kill me!
Kill me!
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John_Oxford wrote:I work as a bartender for a bar just down my street.
Generally, if you fold you arms together, smoke a cigar, and stare into the soul of everyone that walks into the door, no fights ever happen.
EDIT: Signature and Profile Pic related.
I bartended for ten years. It's nice that instant gratification of going home with cash in your pocket. But it killed my body and the party scene that goes with it I outgrew. HOWEVER in my experience the straight male bartender always did the best because of the appeal to women's egos from flirting with the bartender. Whether is was secret horny housewives or young girls looking for validation they loved loved loved the male bartenders. And always gave those outrageous tips.EndgamerAzari wrote:I always wanted to try my hand at bartending, but it's hard to get those jobs with no experience. A ladyfriend of mine says I should try to get a job bartending in a gay bar and I'd get rich off the tips.
In other news, I still hate my job and am looking for something else, but my hopes aren't any higher than they used to be.
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