okay sir/madam/preferred pronoun, how would you like your mock meat done?

[Stickymayhem]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Also the shearing argument is fucking stupid, sheep at least have been bred for so long that they have to be sheared or their hair keeps growing until they can barely move.

that doesnt mean they like being sheared. Just because we made them reliant on us doesn't make the process of shearing any better.

You have no way of knowing if they like it or not, and that’s not my point. My point is, if you DONT shear them they’re guaranteed to suffer.

I have no way of knowing that stabbing you hurts you because I can't read your brain-isms but if you avoid it, scream, struggle and try to get away I'll assume you're in pain and distressed.

Since we know mammals have consciousness and feel pain and emotions in much the same basic way we can, we probably shouldn't inflict it on them.

Pro tip: If you selectively breed an animal until it is reliant on you/suffers entirely based on it's own body, you have already done something wrong and that version of that animal shouldn't continue to be bred.

I am not saying there is no good way to shear a sheep without it freaking out, I am saying that a significant amount of wool comes from 'factory farm' style shearing sheds which process thousands of sheep in short periods of time, resulting in a rushed process that can hurt the animals. And what happens when those sheep get older? They're slaughtered, often sent to third world countries with poor regulations on the sheep equivalent of slave ships.

Wool is not so precious that I would risk it coming from an unethical source. And all those sheep die in the end anyway for meat.

[Armhulen]

Cosmic political cartoons HAS to be the worst timeline

[IkeTG]

Cosmic political cartoons HAS to be the worst timeline

This is true, we are currently in the darkest timeline.

[onleavedontatme]

I'm not upset that some moralizing activists think I'm acting "immoral", I'm upset because they think they can traipse around on their self imposed moral high ground and try and take things away from other people.

Should I link you that time you argued for several pages in favour of putting people in prison for doing drugs or do you remember well enough

Not my argument, my argument was those people (people doing drugs) have agency for their actions.

Must have confused you with bman, my bad.

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

[cedarbridge]

Heanceforth I will only eat things which have a face or I can imagine having a face.

[IkeTG]

consensus on honey?

[oranges]

you're literally raping the bees and don't do it

[iksyp]

consensus on honey?

syrup is better than honey on pancakes

[Stickymayhem]

consensus on honey?

Bees regularly get crushed in trays and transporting them all over the place to pollinate unnaturally introduces diseases they're unfamiliar with into various populations, which is bad for the transported bees and is one of the reason wild bee populations are being wiped out. They are fed a lower nutrient syrup substitute instead of the honey they'd normally eat, resulting in starvation for the sake of profit (On a massive scale, why bother feeding bees you don't need? Let them starve out and save some moolah while spring comes back round)

Bees are obviously lower sentience than mammals, so this is not as terrible as factory farming, but it's enough that I'm not interested in honey, particularly as there's nothing special about honey other sugar syrups can't replicate.

[DemonFiren]

lmao it's like thsi faggot doesn't buy organic honey from local sources
my university's biology department actually make their own honey

[Deitus]

>this has received another 200+ replies since i checked it last night

so when is this going in the reserves

[ShadowDimentio]

Local honey is the fucking best get fucked veganfags. Toasted croissant with some butter and honey and a glass of milk is a godlike way to start your day.

[ShadowDimentio]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder" or "don't steal" or "pay your fucking taxes".

[Incomptinence]

Pretending flow hive don't exist so you can pretend handling bees makes you evil.
NOICE

Honey can just be replaced by sugar or syrup goes both ways if you fuck up and take too much or put them in the wrong location you can feed them sugars and syrups.

It being immoral to kill insects makes the protection of crops from pests immoral.

[Incomptinence]

Vegan endgame all animals and insects are dead so they can't suffer. The surface of earth is reduced to vast algal mats bent to feeding humans.
Bad dragon still produces animal cock dildos so only thing vegans' need from living animals is handled.

[DemonFiren]

Bad dragon still produces animal cock dildos so only thing vegans' need from living animals is handled.

have the tiniest amused dragon

[Grazyn]

What about silk? It's used not just for clothing but in medical and industrial areas as well, is there anything that can be used as a substitute with the same properties?

Also, what about animal testing? Is it ethical?

[DemonFiren]

animal testing is very very iffy and my uneducated kneejerk response is "no thanks for anything where there's a viable alternative, excluding cost as viability factor"
but then I think of life-saving medicine

[ShadowDimentio]

Also, what about animal testing? Is it ethical?

Yes. It's either test it on animals or test it on humans, and fifty humans are infinitely more valuable than, say, fifty rats.

[Stickymayhem]

Pretending flow hive don't exist so you can pretend handling bees makes you evil.
NOICE

Honey can just be replaced by sugar or syrup goes both ways if you fuck up and take too much or put them in the wrong location you can feed them sugars and syrups.

It being immoral to kill insects makes the protection of crops from pests immoral.

What you "delete everything" retards don't notice is the actual vegan definition

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

There will always be accidental deaths, especially of insects and small mammals, and this is an unfortunate consequence of us needing food, but we do ultimately need those crops. I support GMO crops which result in fewer pesticides kiling less fauna on farms to help with that, but obviously some things will die.

Which is why instead of worrying about this minutia, almost all vegans focus on factory farming, because billions of animals being intentionall bred, confined, tortured and killed is the priority at the moment. We can narrow in on the smaller stuff after that big thing is dealt with

[Stickymayhem]

Also, what about animal testing? Is it ethical?

Yes. It's either test it on animals or test it on humans, and fifty humans are infinitely more valuable than, say, fifty rats.

except animal testing is ultimately ineffective in most use cases and relying on it has caused many tragedies to the human race as stuff slips through

[Incomptinence]

Human life is less valuable than animals so all medicine tested on animals is evil.

We have committed the original sin of being smarter than a pig (after the age of 5 humans are beyond redemption).

When your dog gets loose and savages another creature it is more virtuous than any human to even live because sacred dumb doggo.

PRESENTING THE NEW WAY TO WIND BACK HUMAN EVILUTION AND LIVE IN IGNORANT BLISS

RETURN TO THE GARDEN OF EDEN PURGE YOURSELF OF CARNIST SHAME!

[Stickymayhem]

or you know, have an oreo

[Qbopper]

page 12

lol

[Incomptinence]

Oreos have "cross contact" with milk, meaning that small amounts of milk may have come into contact with either the cookies or the equipment used to make them. Cross contact makes it impossible to guarantee that the delicious treat you consume doesn't contain trace amounts of milk.

Welcome back to civilisation sticky.

[Stickymayhem]

Oreos have "cross contact" with milk, meaning that small amounts of milk may have come into contact with either the cookies or the equipment used to make them. Cross contact makes it impossible to guarantee that the delicious treat you consume doesn't contain trace amounts of milk.

Welcome back to civilisation sticky.

See if I was religious or allergic that would matter

but cross contaminated food doesn't influence supply and demand enough to matter

what a dummy

[Incomptinence]

funding a milk using company with your vegandollars

shameful

[SaveVatznick]

Did you know...

most sugar isn't vegan since something something animal bones in processing something?

[Incomptinence]

That doesn't sound very halal!

[Doctor Pork]

Did you know...

most sugar isn't vegan since something something animal bones in processing something?

You would be surprised at how many things contain animal byproducts.

[Grazyn]

I think that "vegan world bad end" is the most likely outcome but it won't be as devastating as you think. Most people lived on a plant-based diet with meat as a luxury food up until the economic boom, we enjoyed some 70 years of abundance but it was never meant to last, especially now that shitholes choked with people like India and China want to enjoy the same lifestyle

[oranges]

nah mate, the most likely outcome is vat grown meat

[Stickymayhem]

Did you know...

most sugar isn't vegan since something something animal bones in processing something?

this is mainly an issue in the US but yup

luckily many vegans have already emailed lots of companies asking about their sugar so finding out is just a quick google away

[Incomptinence]

did you know every time you sip milk a thousand cows instantly scream in agony?
~*vegan fakts*~

[Stickymayhem]

did you know every time you sip milk a thousand cows instantly scream in agony?
~*vegan fakts*~

did you know every time you exist an omni gets triggered

[Incomptinence]

[youtube]HBO8ol9vXKI[/youtube]

[FantasticFwoosh]

Spoiler:

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This is honestly worse than the star wars pro-carnivore movement that explicitly protests gm-foods through the use of blue pears

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But fuck both these filler scenes.

[somerandomguy]

I think that "vegan world bad end" is the most likely outcome but it won't be as devastating as you think. Most people lived on a plant-based diet with meat as a luxury food up until the economic boom, we enjoyed some 70 years of abundance but it was never meant to last, especially now that shitholes choked with people like India and China want to enjoy the same lifestyle

>too many people
>the people want meat
>people are made of meat

The solution is obvious.

[Lazengann]

Most people are too fatty and don't have enough muscle, the meat would be worthless

[Grazyn]

Most people are too fatty and don't have enough muscle, the meat would be worthless

Have you ever enjoyed a fine steak of Kobe beef? I guess fat people would yield a similar kind of meat, marbled and tender.

If not, mechanically separated meat doesn't really require a premium source to be used for meat products

[ColonicAcid]

just put franks red hot down my dick hole and now i got fire coming out of my junk ama

[bandit]

holy shit why are there 12 pages of this

it's food. no matter what it is, you just end up shitting it out (hi TCP). who gives a fuck what others eat

[Nabski]

The answer is sticky. Sticky cares.

[SpaceInaba]

i do nobody should eat mcdonalds food

[bandit]

this includes people who care about other people being vegan/vegetarian, who literally gives a fuck

probably couldn't be vegan myself though, vegan cheese is garbage. vegan baking is p. good though

[ColonicAcid]

i do nobody should eat mcdonalds food

FUCK u

mcdonalds nuggets are fucking cultural heritage material

[SpaceInaba]

i do nobody should eat mcdonalds food

FUCK u

mcdonalds nuggets are fucking cultural heritage material

enjoy your age 40 heart disease LOL

[ColonicAcid]

ill enjoy it by eating 20 in one sitting and u can fucking watch me LOL

[SpaceInaba]

ok LOL

[bandit]

does anyone have that mcdonalds admin chart I think it needs to be updated

[onleavedontatme]

holy shit why are there 12 pages of this

it's food. no matter what it is, you just end up shitting it out (hi TCP). who gives a fuck what others eat

arguing in bad faith, reported you to the moderators