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Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:48 pm #415383

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https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/ wrote:...
When GitHub first launched ten years ago, I could have never imagined this headline.
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[Why GitHub exists:] What we really needed was an easier way to work with others regardless of whether the code was public, private, or something in-between.
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Git is far and away the most popular version control system, clouds are mostly computers, and Microsoft is the most active organization on GitHub in the world. Their VS Code project alone is beloved by millions of developers, entirely open source, and built using GitHub’s Electron platform.
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So as we look to the next decade of software development and beyond, we know it’s all about the developer. And as we’ve gotten to know the team at Microsoft ... we’ve learned that they agree. ... the success of the Minecraft and LinkedIn acquisitions has shown us they are serious about growing new businesses well, and the growth of Azure has proven they are an innovative development platform.
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But more than that, their vision for the future closely matches our own. [oh dear god]
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We both believe that software development needs to become easier, more accessible, more intelligent, and more open ...
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... we both believe we can do greater things together than alone.
...
Nat Friedman will be taking on the role of GitHub’s CEO. ... found in both Microsoft and Nat a partner we believe will strengthen and grow the GitHub community and company ... co-founded Xamarin ...


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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Gun Hog » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:43 pm #415395

That depends entirely on how you feel about Microsoft as a company and its practices. Expect GitHub to be integrated into Microsoft's services for sure, I would wager that some time in the future, your Microsoft Account will work to get you into GitHub. Other than that, I do not expect that big a change. Microsoft ate MineCraft, and it is still running just fine.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Denton » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:09 pm #415417

Imagine if it was bought by Oracle

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby bandit » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:58 am #415561

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Saegrimr » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:16 am #415577

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Dax Dupont » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:03 pm #415753

While in the 90s/early 00's I'd be worried, but MS has shifted gears and actually contributes a lot to open source communities.

Not only that, it's also integrating a lot of open source into their ecosphere, you have a full fledged linux subsystem and openssh client/server these days in windows 10.
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Also consider the following:
Github doesn't really make a lot of money and it's expensive to run github, MS's capital can do some good.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby iksyp » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:33 pm #415759

CosmicScientist wrote:Image
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/ wrote:...
When GitHub first launched ten years ago, I could have never imagined this headline.
...
[Why GitHub exists:] What we really needed was an easier way to work with others regardless of whether the code was public, private, or something in-between.
...
Git is far and away the most popular version control system, clouds are mostly computers, and Microsoft is the most active organization on GitHub in the world. Their VS Code project alone is beloved by millions of developers, entirely open source, and built using GitHub’s Electron platform.
...
So as we look to the next decade of software development and beyond, we know it’s all about the developer. And as we’ve gotten to know the team at Microsoft ... we’ve learned that they agree. ... the success of the Minecraft and LinkedIn acquisitions has shown us they are serious about growing new businesses well, and the growth of Azure has proven they are an innovative development platform.
...
But more than that, their vision for the future closely matches our own. [oh dear god]
...
We both believe that software development needs to become easier, more accessible, more intelligent, and more open ...
...
... we both believe we can do greater things together than alone.
...
Nat Friedman will be taking on the role of GitHub’s CEO. ... found in both Microsoft and Nat a partner we believe will strengthen and grow the GitHub community and company ... co-founded Xamarin ...


Is this something to be concerned about?

Yes because it's a fucking awful ship
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Rustledjimm » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:54 pm #415766

le evul microsoft
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby lzimann » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:51 pm #415799

Microsoft itself has nearly 2 thousand repositories on their github account. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they made some parts of GitHub open source, which would honestly be an amazing thing. I don't think it will have any negative impact at the very least.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby DemonFiren » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:44 pm #415874

wait for it
waaiit foor iit
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Dr. Chef » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:13 am #415943

There is nothing wrong with Microsoft acquiring Github. If anyone thinks Microsoft is evil then why do they use any version of Windows or Microsoft software?

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Qbopper » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:26 pm #416023

Microsoft has been making moves to be a much better company recently and they handled the Minecraft acquisition really really well so I honestly don't think much bad shit will go down here
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby MrStonedOne » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:17 pm #416717

The issue is we are relying on a closed source service for anything.

At any point github could ban us for no reason, their terms allow this

At any point github could start trying to charge us for features we use.

At any point github could just remove features we use without any alternative, paid or not.

It's not about rather or not they will, it's about the fact they can. We are at their mercy, and if we aren't thinking of backup plans we are fools.

The proper way to handle this is to start mirroring our github to some self hosted solution, its not just issue reports and prs that have to be mirrored, accounts have to be mirrored too. So this would require a system that allows anybody to claim their mirrored account and have all of their prs linked to them their issues linked to them, etc.

Then at any moment's notice we can just switch with the least technically possible disruption.
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Rustledjimm » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:57 pm #416728

But does microsoft owning github really change that fact? They could kick us off before no questions asked etc.
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Armhulen » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:37 pm #416737

The problem isn't that it's switching to microsoft, it seems more like the problem is that it's switching. if microsoft has a different idea on where it wants to take git, we have no protection.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Dax Dupont » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:33 am #416839

Gitlab seems to be the thing everyone seems to be thinking of an alternative, but I am not sure if you can import /everything/.

Gitlab's memory usage is hilariously insane though, looking at an average of 4GB of ram usage.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby oranges » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:30 pm #418206

You know it's a cloud product right? The standalone version is really for companies

we don't want to be in the business of running a git server as well.
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Dax Dupont » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:36 pm #418231

oranges wrote:You know it's a cloud product right? The standalone version is really for companies

we don't want to be in the business of running a git server as well.

I forgot the cloud aspect to it yeah.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby MrStonedOne » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:03 am #418269

Its a cloud product without any kind of guarantee (understandably because its free) putting us at the whim of cloud charity without some kind of backup is just asking for trouble.

If you aren't paying for it and its not open source you're stupid to rely on it.

Creating a system to automatically mirror our github to a self hosted solution basically keeps us free from the whims and ever changing winds of microsoft leadership.

Even if it's never used having that kind of safety net is something we need, it's too crucial to operations at /tg/station to allow it to be such a single point of failure.

There is a reason this is so well thought out in my mind, its been on my mind ever since goof got github banned and we lost access to even view his merged prs (sometimes containing pretty important details about the systems). This isn't reactive, this is proactive.
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby oranges » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:09 am #418272

>mirroring a distributed VCS

boy you are well dumb lol
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby SpaceManiac » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:30 am #418278

Tickets and pull requests, lots of knowledge there. Project board maybe less so.
Wiki is a second git which most people won't have cloned.

To peanutpost, keep backups, no reason to migrate yet. AKA MSO has the right idea.

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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby Deitus » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:39 am #418282

New lawsuit thread when
TG vs Microsoft would be some David and Goliath shit
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby iksyp » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:01 am #418966

Deitus wrote:New lawsuit thread when
TG vs Microsoft would be some David and Goliath shit

except spessmen would lose because microsoft lawyers
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Re: Microsoft x GitHub

Unread postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:38 am #419512

iksyp wrote:
Deitus wrote:New lawsuit thread when
TG vs Microsoft would be some David and Goliath shit

except spessmen would lose because microsoft lawyers

MSO could take em
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