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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby ThanatosRa » Thu May 30, 2019 1:25 am #496026

I'm actually feeling like the United Kingdom, which has lasted for how long now? Well over a century? Two? Three? Will finally fall apart.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby IkeTG » Thu May 30, 2019 1:28 am #496027

ThanatosRa wrote:I'm actually feeling like the United Kingdom, which has lasted for how long now? Well over a century? Two? Three? Will finally fall apart.

i shall make sure it will, i flew over to the UK last week to commit voter fraud
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby ThanatosRa » Thu May 30, 2019 1:30 am #496028

I don't think its a good thing to be honest. Its going to be an economic mess I think.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Thu May 30, 2019 6:56 am #496048

ThanatosRa wrote:I'm actually feeling like the United Kingdom, which has lasted for how long now? Well over a century? Two? Three? Will finally fall apart.

It never recovered from losing the empire, it has been on a downward spiral ever since. Brexit will just accelerate it but the collapse was already inevitable. The most likely outcome is the UK becoming a client state of the US, losing economic and political freedom in the next century until complete absorption.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby XSI » Thu May 30, 2019 7:49 am #496049

Are you saying that they aren't already the 51st state in all but name?

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu May 30, 2019 9:12 am #496052

We already have a bunch of self-made cripple obese layabouts demanding everyone else pay for them to sit around and be fat and useless, we dont need an island full of them.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Takeguru » Thu May 30, 2019 1:54 pm #496084

Well by that point I'd hope Puerto Rico gets statehood before the UK
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Thu May 30, 2019 2:15 pm #496087

I doubt the US is gonna add more states. 50 is perfect and remaking all the flags alone would be a gargantuan task. Puertorico and the other colonies including the UK will just keep their current status forever.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby ShadowDimentio » Thu May 30, 2019 7:23 pm #496112

I don't want any more states solely because 50 is a nice round number and adding more would ruin it
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Lumbermancer » Thu May 30, 2019 7:45 pm #496114

And FUCK federal district.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Rustledjimm » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:04 am #496530

Brexit probably won't happen tbh.

If it does then Scottish independence is an inevitability.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby XSI » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:16 am #496543

I don't know, the UK porn ban is starting soon and there's someone still fighting it in EU courts
They might decide to brexit just so they can censor the internet without having to worry about the EU courts

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:19 pm #496566

If scotland secedes would england fight them in a war
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:37 pm #496570

I don't think the integrity of the UK is constitutionally guaranteed (or whatever they have in place of a constitution) so there would be no legal basis for a war.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Lumbermancer » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:44 pm #496571

*looks at crimea and donbas*
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:09 pm #496631

Grazyn wrote:I don't think the integrity of the UK is constitutionally guaranteed (or whatever they have in place of a constitution) so there would be no legal basis for a war.

What if they started an illegal war
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby XSI » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:31 am #496651

I imagine they'd be unpopular

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:58 am #496665

but would they fight with swords again
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:50 am #496688

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Grazyn wrote:I don't think the integrity of the UK is constitutionally guaranteed (or whatever they have in place of a constitution) so there would be no legal basis for a war.

What if they started an illegal war

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Farquaar » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:01 am #496691

Grazyn wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Grazyn wrote:I don't think the integrity of the UK is constitutionally guaranteed (or whatever they have in place of a constitution) so there would be no legal basis for a war.

What if they started an illegal war

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:52 pm #496748

Say goodbye to the NHS and welcome US corporations taking over your health sector. Trump said "it's on the table" for US-UK trade deals after hard brexit

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:03 pm #496750

i have US healthcare it was better before stinky old Obama fucked everything up
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby XSI » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:03 pm #496751

From what I heard it's not like the NHS is functional anyway

Sure would suck to go bankrupt over nonfunctional healthcare though

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:00 am #496767

NHS would rather keel over and die naturally than let the Americans try to subsidize it, for better or worse.


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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Malkevin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:30 am #496822

The NHS as it is can't cope with its load
You're looking at a year to get some surgeries, and their mental health service is a shambles - you're looking at two years for an initial assessment

Now the American model itself is horrible for one reason, the lack of regulation that prevents them price gauging the premiums
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby leibniz » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:49 am #496826

But if you dont like waiting for the NHS you can just pay lotsa money for private care like you would in the US
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:19 am #496838

Malkevin wrote:price gauging the premiums

Which is exactly why an insurance-based system is able to sustain itself. Healthcare is INCREDIBLY expensive. Even the easiest blood test costs hundreds of dollars because it requires expensive lab machinery and trained personnel. That's why state-sponsored healthcare is always a loss-making enterprise, and the token sum they make you pay for health services is mostly so that you won't use them for stupid reasons. It doesn't cover even 1% of the true costs. If you turn it into a business, with private companies that not only need to break even but to net a profit as well, such prices are to be expected.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby cedarbridge » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:44 pm #496858

Insurance costs on their own balloon medical costs in America. There's a reason that most doctor's offices will take sometimes as low as 40% of you pay in cash.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:58 pm #496918

why are doctors so greedy
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby cedarbridge » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:23 pm #496924

Damn those doctors and their expecting to be paid for things.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:33 pm #496925

they literally show up for work one hour a day 45 minutes late than the time they told you they'd be there to tell you "uhhh i dunno bro you try taking an aspirin? that'll be 5600 dollars"
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby cedarbridge » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:21 pm #496931

Super Aggro Crag wrote:they literally show up for work one hour a day 45 minutes late than the time they told you they'd be there to tell you "uhhh i dunno bro you try taking an aspirin? that'll be 5600 dollars"

I paid 40 for my last visit and I got in without an appointment and a 15 minute wait. You got hosed.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:00 am #496938

thanks, obama :roll:
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Takeguru » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:43 am #496968

I'm still mad that Obamacare both ballooned my insurance costs and lowered the quality of said insurance at the exact same time

Shouldn't have even fucking bothered
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:38 pm #497011

Morbidly obese diabetic chainsmoker who hasnt worked in fifteen years: "YOURE LITERALLY MURDERING ME BY NOT VOTING FOR OBAMACARE"
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:57 pm #497016

One would think that the American healthcare system would inevitably teach people to take great care of their own health since they risk going bankrupt if they don't (because money is more important than health in the western world), and yet here we are.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:10 pm #497022

Grazyn wrote:One would think that the American healthcare system would inevitably teach people to take great care of their own health since they risk going bankrupt if they don't (because money is more important than health in the western world), and yet here we are.

Some people burn out their health in the pursuit of wealth and some people waste their health on literally nothing at all.

Its value is strangely variable.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Rustledjimm » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:23 pm #497068

The main reason the NHS is struggling is because of the massive underfunding for the past 10 years and a good portion of the staff and recruitment base came from...... The EU.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby XSI » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:23 pm #497075

Some people never got a choice on their health either, so that gets rough if you make them pay up to bankrupcy

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Screemonster » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:00 pm #497141

if you get your legs shot off by a mass shooter then you're just irresponsible for not taking better care of your life choices and why should other people pay for your care

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby cedarbridge » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:13 pm #497144

That's what you get for not shooting him faster.

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Malkevin » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:31 pm #497154

Rustledjimm wrote:The main reason the NHS is struggling is because of the massive underfunding for the past 10 years and a good portion of the staff and recruitment base came from...... The EU.

Might have something to do with nurses finding it more profitable to work in retail.
Doctors have long been buggering off to America/Canada/etc because they pay more.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Grazyn » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:35 pm #497155

>be american

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby cedarbridge » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:52 pm #497160

Grazyn wrote:>be american

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Rustledjimm » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:30 pm #497199

Malkevin wrote:
Rustledjimm wrote:The main reason the NHS is struggling is because of the massive underfunding for the past 10 years and a good portion of the staff and recruitment base came from...... The EU.

Might have something to do with nurses finding it more profitable to work in retail.
Doctors have long been buggering off to America/Canada/etc because they pay more.



Funnily enough many NHS staff enjoyed their work. When they were properly paid and the hospitals were properly funded. They've had a pay freeze for an age.

You only need to look at how the Scottish NHS is now the best in the UK, because the Scottish government makes up for what Westminster is cutting.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Takeguru » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:38 am #497257

You'll have to remind me, what does this do to your taxes again?
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Rustledjimm » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:38 pm #497285

Over the past two years polls have shown the majority of brits would like a tax increase to better fund the NHS. It's stupid how income tax has become untouchable. I'd support an even larger rise in income tax if it was accompanied by a drop in sales tax.
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Takeguru » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:28 am #497357

I looked myself, 20% is roughly what I pay and I feel that's too much
And then you go up a bracket and it's 40%? That's insane, why even work nearly half your work week if you'll never touch it?
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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

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Re: 2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

Postby Malkevin » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 am #497365

Takeguru wrote:I looked myself, 20% is roughly what I pay and I feel that's too much
And then you go up a bracket and it's 40%? That's insane, why even work nearly half your work week if you'll never touch it?

That's just the rates for income tax.
The NHS is also funded by a separate 'totally not a tax guys' 'National Insurance Contributions'.
Which are 12% of your weekly income (I can't remember if that's calced pre or post tax) up to about a grand of weekly income, then it's 2% of the remaining weekly earnings.

Our tax system is stupidly complex.
We get a tax free allowance of the first 12k you earn per year
Then from that to 50k it's 20% on your income minus the allowance
After 50k it's 40% on your remaining earnings minus the previous calc - but above 100k you start losing that tax free allowance, at 125k you lose it entirely
Any incoming above 125k gets taxed at 45%

Although we salaries being as shit as there are in the UK, its not like most of us will ever pay the higher rate tax
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