Toxics Ban Appeal

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Toxics Ban Appeal

Postby ToxicI11I » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:32 pm #487463

Pastebin of my game client: https://pastebin.com/CeJQy4yM
Round ID: 105220
MortoSasye - admin
Samantha Judge(Botanist, me)
Luna Seperata(guy who attempted to break in and steal our only grinder, and then claimed he was "trying to get a beaker")


Byond account and character name: Toxic I11I(Samantha Judge)
Banning admin: MortoSasye
Ban type (What are you banned from?):Ingame
Ban reason and length:Killed a moth that stole a beaker from botany, said they were a ling due to being unable to be flashed and to put the cherry on top they asked the chaplain to cremate them. This seems more like you creating an excuse to kill them than commiting a mistake; read the rules, don\'t overescalate.
This ban is temporary, it will be removed in 1440 minutes.
Time ban was placed (including time zone):19:17? GMT
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil):Terry
Your side of the story: Doing my job as chemist, doing capsacin extraction on peppers to make crowd control tomatoes for sec and personal use and this guy just walks up, hacks my door, breaks in. I ask "what are you doing", they reply "getting to maintenance on the other side, before saying shit, attempting to unwrench my grinder and run off with it. At this point I flash him, he doesnt drop it or drop down, or his wrench. This is a common sign of a ling that has evolved the eye perk(you can get protection from bright lights and XRAY). I use stance 3(push/disarm) and stunlock. They then attempt to gouge out my eyes, at this point I had called sec about a ling, a borg came and assisted me(they were a moth so no law 1 broken unless he refused to help me). At this point, I hadn't switched to harm intent while they were gouging my eyes out, instead attempting to disarm. When they kept attacking and refusing to be restrained I KNEW they were a ling. Attempting to access maint, stealing from literally anywhere, attacking for the eyes when confronted. I and the ling managed to down them, as following standard ling procedure we cremate them. 20 mins or so goes by. Pinged by an admin saying "Admin PM from- MortoSasye : Hello, can i know what happened between you and Luna Separata?" I reply "PM to- Admins : Immune to flashes, was a ling " quickly, as I was doing my job as a botanist growing the extremely hard to keep alive unless modified Ambrosia Gaia. They pinged back saying "Admin PM from- MortoSasye : Being inmune to flashes doesn't make a person a ling. Also, it's funny you say this after killing them when they grabbed a beaker from botany, and going as far as cremating them. " I respond to "PM to- Admins : they stole the all in one grinder, also immune to flashes is a ling trait " Then he responds "Admin PM from- MortoSasye : What you did is overescalation, and you already have a note related to something similar. I will apply a ban since it's obvious you haven't read the rules, and i really doubt this was caused due to being inexperienced. ".

Why you think you should be unbanned: For one, the admin had the wrong information. The ling had lied to them saying they were trying to steal the beaker, which they were not. They attempted to wrench the all in one grinder and steal it. You can see me resecure it(put it back onto the table) in line 903. This shows the ling/moth was lying already, as they had attempted to wrench and steal it.

Secondly. The admin claimed I overesculated in a ling situation. For one, a ling can revive unless cremated, form an armblade and chop somebodies head off if they activate their stasis early in the space of 20 seconds. Ling procedure is stun/incapacitate, beat to enough death so they are crit and cremate. If you dont do this, you are objectively retarded as lings are more dangerous than nukies with their ability to come back to life. I would happily suicide bomb any ling with a phlog nade just to crit it so others can finish it.

Thirdly, the fact the admin refused to acknowledge the fact the ling/moth had lied to him, and proceeded to ban me for 1440 mins for "overesculation" is bullshit. I pointed it out, he didnt check logs and still continued saying it.



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Re: Toxics Ban Appeal

Postby MortoSasye » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:35 am #487544

Hello, thanks for appealing.

First of all: The person you killed was not an antagonist/changeling, or i wouldn't have banned you. Second, I will deny this appeal keeping on mind that the ban was applied for overescalation which was what you did.

Jumping to the conclusion that someone is a changeling just because they can't be flashed is the weakest of reasons to do so, and going so far as to cremate them even more so. You didn't even got attacked by them first, and didn't wait to see if they revived or asked if anyone was attacked by said player.

Headmins can override my decision as always if they please, but for now, this is a no from me.
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Re: Toxics Ban Appeal

Postby ToxicI11I » Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:10 am #487558

MortoSasye wrote:Hello, thanks for appealing.

First of all: The person you killed was not an antagonist/changeling, or i wouldn't have banned you. Second, I will deny this appeal keeping on mind that the ban was applied for overescalation which was what you did.

Jumping to the conclusion that someone is a changeling just because they can't be flashed is the weakest of reasons to do so, and going so far as to cremate them even more so. You didn't even got attacked by them first, and didn't wait to see if they revived or asked if anyone was attacked by said player.

Headmins can override my decision as always if they please, but for now, this is a no from me.


Hi, at the time there were already fears of changelings (a guy was murdered in maint with an oxygen tank) and more importantly, if you check, they initiated on me with the aggressive stance. If you check I attempted to disarm and grab before going aggressive, and I called sec originally. Overesculation could be seen here, but for the situation I believe it was justified (reports of lings, immune to flashing, initiating on me with stance 3, which is hostile)

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Re: Toxics Ban Appeal

Postby ATHATH » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:10 am #487693

I feel like I should mention that the moth being flashproof was a (known) bug: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/43255

If the moth wasn't wearing a welding mask, the moth had eyegear on that provided no eye protection (or had no eyegear whatsoever), the moth wasn't blind, and it was way too early in the round for the moth to have welding eyes surgically implanted in their head, then the only plausible explanation (other than the bug, which Toxic didn't appear to know about even in his ban appeal) for the moth to have been flashproof would have been that the moth was a changeling with the changeling ability that gives them some eye protection. You would arrest a traitor that walked over slippery surfaces without galoshes or the like under suspicion of them having noslips, yes? How is this different?

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Re: Toxics Ban Appeal

Postby MortoSasye » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:42 am #487725

It's different in the sense a botanist did it, didn't confirm they were in fact a changeling and jumped straight to killing and cremating.

You would arrest a traitor that walked over slippery surfaces without galoshes or the like under suspicion of them having noslips, yes?


Here's the key word. Arrest, which was not something done by him.
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Re: Toxics Ban Appeal

Postby MortoSasye » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:58 pm #487819

After strong discussion with another player on our discord, i decided to post the relevant logs to this appeal (which are not available yet), specifically the ones that deny the story you're telling me here.

First of all, your claim of being a chemist which is a complete lie:

Spoiler:
The manifest log (that didn't show you for some reason) tells me the following people were the chemists, while you spawned in botany:

[2019-04-01 17:37:37.650] elordexe \ Maegan Lafortune \ Chemist \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-04-01 17:37:38.254] lordoza \ Bryan Elderson \ Chemist \ traitor \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-04-01 17:37:34.502] toxici11i \ Samantha Judge \ Botanist \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
ACCESS: Mob Login: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[2019-04-01 17:37:40.333] GAME: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) Client Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has taken ownership of mob (/mob/living/carbon/human) (Hydroponics (139, 113, 2))


Second part, in which you mentioned Luna was ''gouging your eyes out''. This are all the relevant attack logs between you and Luna:

Spoiler:
[2019-04-01 17:47:35.526] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has flashed(AOE) Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:04.430] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (130, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:05.855] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (130, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:09.201] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:10.356] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:16.360] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (131, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:17.475] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:18.791] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:19.661] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:20.571] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:21.695] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:19.661] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:21.695] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:22.706] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:23.838] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:24.694] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:31.973] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:32.944] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:34.547] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 114, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:35.969] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:37.820] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:38.846] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:39.931] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:40.624] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:39.931] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:47.667] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:48.717] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:16.175] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has flashed(AOE) Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:16.175] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has flashed(AOE) Tomand15/(Gannon Ackerley) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:16.176] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has flashed(AOE) Xel13/(Kaden Zaun) with the flash (NEWHP: 97.5) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
(Hydroponics (130, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:23.600] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has flashed(AOE) Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)
[2019-04-01 17:49:23.600] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has flashed(AOE) Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)
[2019-04-01 17:49:23.855] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:25.449] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))

Here toxic starts strangling them, notice also how Luna hasn't even tried to push them

[2019-04-01 17:49:27.426] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:30.611] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:32.117] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to strangle Xenon009/(Luna Separata) kill grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:35.367] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has strangled Xenon009/(Luna Separata) kill grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:35.957] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has resisted grab Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:35.961] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has broke grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100)
[2019-04-01 17:49:38.159] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:39.359] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:40.652] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:44.277] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:45.663] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has resisted grab Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:48.811] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has broke grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:50.540] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:58.816] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with removing the screwdriver (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))

Finally, Luna gets tired of Toxic shit and them trying to kill them
[2019-04-01 17:49:59.675] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 98) (Hydroponics (140, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:59.716] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:01.133] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (138, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:02.207] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:03.561] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:04.594] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:05.586] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:06.371] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:07.938] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:12.112] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:12.936] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (138, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:16.555] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))

Here's the ''brutal'' attack done by Luna after being spam disarmed for now two minutes.

[2019-04-01 17:50:16.685] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has attacked Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) with screwdriver (INTENT: HARM) (NEWHP: 91) (Hydroponics (140, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:17.573] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:17.736] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has attacked Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) with screwdriver (INTENT: HARM) (NEWHP: 84) (Hydroponics (140, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:18.702] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with removing the screwdriver (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (138, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:19.616] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (138, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:19.905] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 80) (Hydroponics (140, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:20.535] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has disarmed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (137, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:20.977] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 74.8) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:21.735] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has flashed(AOE) Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) with the flash (NEWHP: 74.8) (Hydroponics (136, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:21.736] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has flashed(AOE) Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (136, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:21.892] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Hydroponics (137, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:22.405] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 71) (Hydroponics (134, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:23.274] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 65.8) (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))

Here a cyborg starts attacking them after hurting a human

[2019-04-01 17:50:25.600] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with integrated welding tool (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 85) (Hydroponics (136, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:33.813] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with integrated welding tool (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 73.8) (Hydroponics (136, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:34.236] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with cultivator (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 70.4) (Hydroponics (135, 114, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:45.980] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has attacked Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) with screwdriver (INTENT: HARM) (NEWHP: 58.8) (Hydroponics (135, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:52.082] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 70.4) (Hydroponics (131, 115, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:54.292] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with integrated welding tool (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 55.5) (Hydroponics (132, 115, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:55.243] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 54.2) (Hydroponics (131, 114, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:56.172] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with integrated welding tool (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 39.2) (Hydroponics (132, 115, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:56.464] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 37.8) (Hydroponics (131, 114, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:59.572] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 34) (Hydroponics (136, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:59.816] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 55.8) (Hydroponics (138, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:02.822] ATTACK: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) has punched Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) (NEWHP: 48.8) (Hydroponics (139, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:07.135] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to disarm Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 34) (Hydroponics (139, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:07.842] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with integrated welding tool (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 19) (Hydroponics (136, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:09.202] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has pushed over Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 19) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:11.872] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 18.3) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:12.726] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: 14.4) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:12.903] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has attacked Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with integrated welding tool (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -0.6) (Hydroponics (137, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:13.595] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -2.8) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:14.451] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -6.1) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:15.325] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -7.1) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:16.315] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -12.3) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:17.293] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -14.2) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:18.198] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -20.9) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:19.719] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: -20.9) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:21.068] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -20.9) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:24.952] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: -20.9) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:29.423] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: -20.9) (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:48.887] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has grabbed Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) passive grab (NEWHP: 48.8) (Hydroponics (135, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:51.615] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: -21.6) (Hydroponics (135, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:52.281] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has grabbed Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) passive grab (NEWHP: 48.8) (Hydroponics (134, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:52.755] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -21.6) (Hydroponics (135, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:02.582] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: -21.6) (Aft Primary Hallway (107, 101, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:12.213] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has punched Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -22.4) (Chapel (91, 73, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:16.358] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to neck grab Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: -23) (Chapel (89, 74, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:19.567] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) neck grab (NEWHP: -23) (Chapel (89, 74, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:25.070] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has attempted to strangle Xenon009/(Luna Separata) kill grab (NEWHP: -23) (Chapel (90, 73, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:28.513] ATTACK: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) has strangled Xenon009/(Luna Separata) kill grab (NEWHP: -23) (Chapel (90, 73, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:53:33.745] ATTACK: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) has grabbed Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) passive grab (NEWHP: 48.8)

Here Toxic tells the chaplain that Luna is a changeling, they get stripped and then given another chance by being sharded

[2019-04-01 17:53:50.278] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the insulated gloves off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -47) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))[2019-04-01 17:53:51.124] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the satchel off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -47) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:53:52.288] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the black shoes off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -47.7) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:53:52.781] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the gladiator helmet off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -47.7) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:53:53.206] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the black skirt off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -47.7) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:54:06.083] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the gas mask off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -51.7) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:54:10.525] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the optical meson scanner off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -53) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:54:13.383] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has stripped the radio headset off Xenon009/(Luna Separata) (NEWHP: -53.7) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:54:24.847] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: -57) (Chapel Office (80, 75, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:54:29.819] ATTACK: Kittenplays/(Aria Greenwater) has grabbed Xenon009/(Luna Separata) passive grab (NEWHP: -58.4) (Chapel Office (80, 74, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:57:16.678] ATTACK: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) has captured Luna Separata's soul Xenon009/(Luna Separata) with the mysterious old shard (NEWHP: -100.4) (Xenobiology Lab (126, 66, 2))


The conversation between you and Luna:

Spoiler:
[2019-04-01 17:46:47.161] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Hey" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:46:53.165] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Do you mind letting us in?" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:46:55.525] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "nah" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:02.109] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "I need to get to the mantien-" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:04.199] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "mk then" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:19.481] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Oh ffs" (Hydroponics (131, 110, 2))

After telling them first that they didn't mind, they change opinion

[2019-04-01 17:47:22.392] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "yeah" (Hydroponics (130, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:23.230] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "leave" (Hydroponics (130, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:24.740] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Why can't I open that" (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:25.905] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "b4 i call sec" (Hydroponics (130, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:29.782] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "and say your a ling" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2)) This part is extremely important, because Toxic didn't flash Luna yet when it was said which means they had the intention of creating a lie by claiming they were a changeling
[2019-04-01 17:47:30.048] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Alright, chill out" (Hydroponics (130, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:36.227] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Go for it" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:37.588] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "oh" (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:38.986] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "nice" (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:42.387] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "LING IN BOTANY" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:47:44.423] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "IMMUNE TO FLASH" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:27.572] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "SEC TO BOTANY" (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:28.535] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "LING" (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:46.366] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Botany is making up bullshit" (Hydroponics (133, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:50.920] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "I came to borrow a beaker" (Hydroponics (133, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:51.439] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "she broke in" (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:54.729] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "tried stealing shit" (Hydroponics (132, 113, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:48:56.914] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "shes a lin" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:00.098] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "immune to flashes" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:00.768] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Uh huh" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:04.434] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Fuck off am I" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:10.783] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "yeah" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:12.800] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "this moth is a ling" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:14.610] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "you don't even have a flash" (Hydroponics (132, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:15.213] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "immune to flash" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:17.851] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "you sure?" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:26.502] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Moths are immune to flash" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:30.493] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "thats their racial trait" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2)) This player is fairly new so they assumed the bug was a racial trait
[2019-04-01 17:49:30.661] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "no they arent" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:35.362] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "ima strangle it" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:36.910] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "cremate it" (Hydroponics (132, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:45.615] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "Sec?" (Hydroponics (131, 110, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:49.099] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "Um." (Hydroponics (131, 110, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:49:52.535] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "Weird." (Hydroponics (131, 110, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:07.011] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "do not harm that human" (Hydroponics (135, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:11.122] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "im not" (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:14.961] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "i mean them" (Hydroponics (135, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:50:34.420] SAY: Xenon009/(Luna Separata) "Calm down borg" (Hydroponics (135, 115, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:15.699] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "calm" (Hydroponics (137, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:24.206] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "the fuckers a ling" (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:27.205] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "it wont stay dead" (Hydroponics (139, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:37.881] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "to chapel" (Hydroponics (139, 112, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:41.795] SAY: Dogera/(Engineering Cyborg-780) "sure?" (Hydroponics (135, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:51:43.839] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "yo chapel we got a ling coming ur way" (Hydroponics (136, 113, 2))


And with the chaplain:
Spoiler:
[2019-04-01 17:52:20.124] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "yo chaplain" (Chapel (89, 74, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:22.857] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "we need a ling cremated" (Chapel (89, 74, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:52:47.588] SAY: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) "on way" (Aft Primary Hallway (106, 90, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:54:42.054] SAY: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) "yea you wanna make sure?" (Chapel Office (79, 74, 2)) (Chaplain asks toxic if they want to be sure they're in fact a ling)
[2019-04-01 17:54:53.094] SAY: Zanith50/(Harrison Lowstetter) "before i cremate?" (Chapel Office (79, 74, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:55:18.152] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "yo" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:55:25.738] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "it was a ling" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))
[2019-04-01 17:55:31.269] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "motherfucker was immune to flashes" (Hydroponics (131, 111, 2))

Chaplain shards Luna around this part, while Toxic thinks it got cremated

[2019-04-01 17:57:13.244] SAY: Toxici11i/(Samantha Judge) "we destroyed the fucker and cremated" (Hydroponics (135, 111, 2))


As i said before, this appeal is denied due to overescalation. Toxic threatened Xenon (Luna) of claiming they were a ling to security if they didn't leave after letting them in and had the full intention of getting them cremated, even if the action wasn't done by themselves.

Not being able to be flashed doesn't mean automatically that someone is a ling, and that they're ''valid''. Specially if they didn't even start the fight first, since they got in by your own hand and the conflict started when they stole the beaker from the grinder. Even if this was done through our escalation policy, cremating them was an overkill and what determined this was overescalation.
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