[PsyKzz] - Admin Application

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[PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Mon May 06, 2019 12:39 am #492315

Current ckey and any previous ckeys:
psykzz

Character name(s):
Mostly random & prefer Xeno, however recently Matt Dowl

Timezone:
GMT

Discord tag:
psykzz#4695

Any previous experience administrating? Where and in what manner:
Nothing in the SS13 space. I have however typically run servers for other games i played previously, as well as managed Teamspeak (back when) and forums for the original L4D.

How familiar are you with our ruleset:
I could always improve, but I understand them quite well i think.

How long have you been playing TGMC and other servers in general:
TGMC style about 2 weeks, SS13 for a few years.

Have you been banned from any SS13 servers within the past 6 months? If so, what server, and for what reason:
Nope

Have you ever recieved a permanent ban from a server? If so, what server, and for what reason:
Nope

Why do you believe that you would make a good admin?
I don't think a good admin would be able to give you a reason to why they are a good admin. I hope its because as an admin i'll see issues arise and will have the chance to fix them via code / gameplay instead of words & actions.
I can tell you what makes me a bad admin though, I don't have experience with the tools or the people, Im pretty new, i wouldn't expect people to like someon



What's one aspect of how you play the game that you think you could improve on?
I need to get faster at just generally doing things. There are alot of buttons, i can't press them fast enough.

What standards do you personally hold players to? How should judgements on their actions be determined?
"Get what your given" how would they/general population feel with this done to them. Some people are insane, and so it doesn't work for everyone but in general.

What is a good metric or standard to go by when doing admin events? What would you try to consider when doing an admin event? How often do you think you'd run admin events?
Admin events should be more planned than on the fly. Round time is key, short rounds allow more killing, longer rounds require more RP

What do you think you'll find most enjoyable about being an admin? What do you think you'll find least enjoyable?
Drama and drama, its sometimes fun to know the dirt, buts its also fucking shit dealing with it.

No one admins forever. For what reason or how do you think you will stop adminning? Do you think you'll be able to call it quits when you've had enough?
When development on the server stops. Honestly until that happens i don't see myself being bored, even if im just helping people and not playing. If im coding im happy.

Please fill out the following example scenarios, put your answer on a separate line from the question:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
I wanna preface most of this and say its about understanding the community.
Over the recent 2 weeks the same players play every day. I know by name the strong marines, the strong xenos and who likes to captain. Im pretty sure i'll quickly be able to work out if this player is new and needs help or new and being a dickhead. Most of my actions will take that into account.

1. A player shoots another player near the start of the round, but the MPs have already detained and brigged him.

Unless someone pings for help, i wouldn't get involved.

2. You see a player walking around the ship without any clothes on, looking pretty lost.

I may watch them at first, depending on my own time. I would go from full out spawn in and help them around to ping them to the wiki quick-guide. With the inbetween just private messaging them the tl;dr of what to do.

3. A player is getting aggressive in adminhelps and requesting to speak to a higher ranking staff member.

If its just me around, explain to them they need to goto the forums, because no one is about.
If more people are about, ill ask them to assist. From my experience its hard to ignore this type of person, similar if i saw someone being irate to another admin, i'd offer to them to step in in the event a fresh pair of eyes help.

4. You notice a player with a name that doesn't fit our naming rules. The player is arguing that they've used the name for several years across multiple servers and no one has told them to change it before.

This is unfortunately a hard stance they need to change, if its against the rules and i noticed that then its bad enough that it needs changing. I suspect there are more names will be "against the rules" but not as noticeable and those will have the harder discussion.

5. You see an MT running around in armor and carrying a rifle. The security level is green with no threat present.

Watch them for a bit, I'll know if they are new or a regular. If it persists just ask them about and talk it through.

6. The round is stagnating. There are 14 marines and 4 aliens (balance will change over time, just imagine a stalemate scenario according to the current meta). The marines won't leave the ship, and the aliens won't attack. What would you do, to "encourage" the sides to engage each other?

Ideally reach out to the command / queen and see if i can get them to do the work, if not try to create incentives for them to go out and push each other. Finally ERT one side.

7. A marine is running around disarming other marines and stealing their gear near the beginning of the round.

If MP are about they should be dealing with it, so i'll wait to see how it goes. If not ill poke MP to take care of it, finally messaging the player.

8. A marine has killed another marine. When you ask him why, he said it was because the other marine had punched him or said something rude towards him.

A punch is a punch but death is a bigger deal. IF the situation allows for it, revive the dead marine and have words with the killer. If they start being unreasonable they can sit the rest of the round out.

9. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and roleplaying but one player gets offended and adminhelps about it.

Difficult, because minor is subjective. Ideally just OOC that everyone cuts our racism. if it doesn't stop, start poking individuals about why they fail to listen to an admin.

10. A marine opens fire at several marines during briefing killing multiple people and logs off before you can message him.

Ban them with a message to speak to us on discord to get it removed, heal everyone else involved.

11. You see a larva die near the frontlines. Upon further investigation, you see that they bursted in a safe place far away.

Honestly, let them learn the hard way, but determined by their client age, maybe speak with them about about it.

12. You see a xeno excessively saying phrases like "Ayyylmao", "Reeeee" and similar in the hivemind chat.

Generally ill see how the hive is reacting, if no one is replying to them or its 1 sided i might ask them to tone it down. Otherwise leave them be.

13. A command staff player mentions during briefing that there might be xenos on the planet.

Just subtly message them its not RP and they shouldn't mention xenos. If this happens EVERY TIME for months, job ban is availble to me and ill suggest it to them. See if it changes their mind.

14. A marine kills another marine on the Evac Pod to take the last spot, but has roleplayed the situation quite well.

Wait to see if their are any ahelps about it.

15. You see an SSD Squad Leader in the preparation room 1 hour into the round. When you check the logs, you notice he logged off near the beginning of the round.

Propose we add mob takeover for SSD squad members, or at least alert on it to offer the mob to dead players.
at 1 hour into the round? I think its too late, clean up the mob.

16. You see a member of the staff give wrong information in an adminhelp.

Inform the staff member. Depending on the level of wrong and the severity, is how direct i'd be.

17. You see a member of the staff abusing his powers in-game or otherwise breaking the administrator rules.

de-admin ASAP. have a converstation, if not they can speak with the head admin

18. You see a player bashing another server or player in OOC.

In OOC tell them to stop, if they don't mute their OOC for a bit.

19. A player ahelps saying that they were instantly killed by another member of their squad. When you ask their squad member who shot them, they said that it was accidental friendly fire.

Not much i can do, no freebies.



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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Mon May 06, 2019 4:41 pm #492371

Hello, thank you for showing interest and applying!

psykzz wrote:1. A player shoots another player near the start of the round, but the MPs have already detained and brigged him.

Unless someone pings for help, i wouldn't get involved.

What if the player was new (you checked their connection count/playtime) and looks very displeased but hasn't ahelped about it?


psykzz wrote:2. You see a player walking around the ship without any clothes on, looking pretty lost.

I may watch them at first, depending on my own time. I would go from full out spawn in and help them around to ping them to the wiki quick-guide. With the inbetween just private messaging them the tl;dr of what to do.

Can you think of another solution to this?

psykzz wrote:5. You see an MT running around in armor and carrying a rifle. The security level is green with no threat present.

Watch them for a bit, I'll know if they are new or a regular. If it persists just ask them about and talk it through.

What would you ask them? How could the conversation go from there, based on their answer?

psykzz wrote:6. The round is stagnating. There are 14 marines and 4 aliens (balance will change over time, just imagine a stalemate scenario according to the current meta). The marines won't leave the ship, and the aliens won't attack. What would you do, to "encourage" the sides to engage each other?

Ideally reach out to the command / queen and see if i can get them to do the work, if not try to create incentives for them to go out and push each other. Finally ERT one side.

Additonal scenarios with the same stalemate circumstances:
a) the marines go after the xenos, but the xenos keep running away each time and hiding
b) the marines are refusing to attack the xenos
c) both sides are avoiding each other

psykzz wrote:7. A marine is running around disarming other marines and stealing their gear near the beginning of the round.

If MP are about they should be dealing with it, so i'll wait to see how it goes. If not ill poke MP to take care of it, finally messaging the player.

There is an MP present, but said player in question has managed to steal all of the following: Every specialist's weapon, synth's ID, captains megaphone. Would you do anything differently here?

psykzz wrote:9. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and roleplaying but one player gets offended and adminhelps about it.

Difficult, because minor is subjective. Ideally just OOC that everyone cuts our racism. if it doesn't stop, start poking individuals about why they fail to listen to an admin.

What would you personally consider minor/major or okay/not okay? Would you comfortable enforcing something that went against your personal belief here?

psykzz wrote:10. A marine opens fire at several marines during briefing killing multiple people and logs off before you can message him.

Ban them with a message to speak to us on discord to get it removed, heal everyone else involved.

Isn't there a better place for such discussion?

psykzz wrote:11. You see a larva die near the frontlines. Upon further investigation, you see that they bursted in a safe place far away.

Honestly, let them learn the hard way, but determined by their client age, maybe speak with them about about it.

Larva's last message in hivemind was "Fuck you Queen I won't listen to you", how would you go about that?

psykzz wrote:13. A command staff player mentions during briefing that there might be xenos on the planet.

Just subtly message them its not RP and they shouldn't mention xenos. If this happens EVERY TIME for months, job ban is availble to me and ill suggest it to them. See if it changes their mind.

The player gets slightly confused and asks about which rule he is breaking, what do you tell him?

psykzz wrote:14. A marine kills another marine on the Evac Pod to take the last spot, but has roleplayed the situation quite well.

Wait to see if their are any ahelps about it.

The dead party ahelps about it, but you check the logs and it seemed like both of them enjoyed it, the roleplay was good, deadchat liked it, the player is just having regrets after the fact. What do you do here?


psykzz wrote:15. You see an SSD Squad Leader in the preparation room 1 hour into the round. When you check the logs, you notice he logged off near the beginning of the round.

Propose we add mob takeover for SSD squad members, or at least alert on it to offer the mob to dead players.
at 1 hour into the round? I think its too late, clean up the mob.

Automatic takeover for human mobs is a bad idea due to the identity issues. Xenos are not individualistic like humans, it's much better for us to manually do this. We could implement automatic measures to ban/note people but you know how terribly these go in all games - things are based on context and should be judged as such, by humans, not by some arbitrary code.

psykzz wrote:19. A player ahelps saying that they were instantly killed by another member of their squad. When you ask their squad member who shot them, they said that it was accidental friendly fire.

Not much i can do, no freebies.

Would you still investigate the issue?
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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm #492376

What if the player was new (you checked their connection count/playtime) and looks very displeased but hasn't ahelped about it?


I would message them and explain a little why they are detained, explain our rules and why it happened. Let them know in the future that ahelp is an option in case they didn't know. Depending on how friendly or aggressive their replies are give them the chance to start again.

Can you think of another solution to this?


If i didn't have the time, i would ask a mentor, or in the last case, another admin, but otherwise i wouldn't mind helping them myself.

What would you ask them? How could the conversation go from there, based on their answer?


Just being curious asking them "How come you have a weapon, are you expecting an attack?" If yes, ask them to keep it RP and remind them they don't know about any threats yet, otherwise just talk it through, but I dont think i'd take action unless they started impacting others (killing etc).

Additonal scenarios with the same stalemate circumstances:
a) the marines go after the xenos, but the xenos keep running away each time and hiding
b) the marines are refusing to attack the xenos
c) both sides are avoiding each other


Use my admin hacks!
Because i can easily see that one side is intentionally prolonging the game, i'd be clever and create the every approaching fog of doom to limit xeno movement.

There is an MP present, but said player in question has managed to steal all of the following: Every specialist's weapon, synth's ID, captains megaphone. Would you do anything differently here?


Ultimately i want to make sure he's not impacting the round, if the synth can't do its job, then i return the items that are needed (or help the MP to do its job a little faster). If however its a clown and the round is extended for example, I may let it happen, I'd most likely warn the player though that as soon as i get ahelps about it, hes to stop. If they don't then i see it as just ignoring admins and potentially ghost them for the rest of the round.

What would you personally consider minor/major or okay/not okay? Would you comfortable enforcing something that went against your personal belief here?


Minor racism being something like "french man eats bagette" / Russians drink vodka,
jokes i wouldn't accept are jokes about culture that make fun of wealth or under privileged lifestyles.
Major being anything targeting specifically about real life, religion, politics, someone or their countrie's economic or under privileged lifestyles. (EG "people from X are so poor, have stds, live in trees" etc)

Isn't there a better place for such discussion?


Yes the forums, I don't know why i didn't put that originally.

Larva's last message in hivemind was "Fuck you Queen I won't listen to you", how would you go about that?


Look at this person's history, if its first time, i help them to understand that its not RP and they need to follow the queen,
If not, I tell them its not rp anyway (because i bet he loves that), and that they should know better. If hes aggressive back, potentially job ban them.

I think I'd pay more attention to the round however and if they could've used the larva, i would've granted one back to the Hive. If they are winning, i'd leave it as it is.

The player gets slightly confused and asks about which rule he is breaking, what do you tell him?


Tell him its not about rules, and that its also about playing the game, not everyone is here for the deathmatch XvH. If he continues to ask about rules, I'd tell him to stop being smart and that there are no rules from me job banning him. if he can't play the role correctly.

The dead party ahelps about it, but you check the logs and it seemed like both of them enjoyed it, the roleplay was good, deadchat liked it, the player is just having regrets after the fact. What do you do here?


I'd ask him what he'd want me to do, i suspect by the time i get to it the round will already be over and ill tell them to just play the next round. If he does want action, i'd tell him i'll keep an eye on that player next round as much as i could.

Automatic takeover for human mobs is a bad idea due to the identity issues. Xenos are not individualistic like humans, it's much better for us to manually do this. We could implement automatic measures to ban/note people but you know how terribly these go in all games - things are based on context and should be judged as such, by humans, not by some arbitrary code.


Not sure if you had a question here, so gonna ssd is bad, and just clean up the mob. If there is space reopen the role and allow someone else to join / assume the position if its not already handled IC by overwatch.

Would you still investigate the issue?


My assumption is im am investigating it because im asking squad members about what happened.
Before i'd reach out ill check what logs are available to me without disrupting someone elses gameplay.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Tue May 07, 2019 8:26 pm #492611

psykzz wrote:What if the player was new (you checked their connection count/playtime) and looks very displeased but hasn't ahelped about it?

I would message them and explain a little why they are detained, explain our rules and why it happened. Let them know in the future that ahelp is an option in case they didn't know. Depending on how friendly or aggressive their replies are give them the chance to start again.

How would such a chance to start again look?
Would you consider the issue proper escalation?

psykzz wrote:Can you think of another solution to this?

If i didn't have the time, i would ask a mentor, or in the last case, another admin, but otherwise i wouldn't mind helping them myself.

Wouldn't it be better to let mentors handle it first?

psykzz wrote:What would you ask them? How could the conversation go from there, based on their answer?

Just being curious asking them "How come you have a weapon, are you expecting an attack?" If yes, ask them to keep it RP and remind them they don't know about any threats yet, otherwise just talk it through, but I dont think i'd take action unless they started impacting others (killing etc).

The player becomes slightly defensive and asks for a ruling on this matter, what do you tell him?

psykzz wrote:Additonal scenarios with the same stalemate circumstances:
a) the marines go after the xenos, but the xenos keep running away each time and hiding
b) the marines are refusing to attack the xenos
c) both sides are avoiding each other

Use my admin hacks!
Because i can easily see that one side is intentionally prolonging the game, i'd be clever and create the every approaching fog of doom to limit xeno movement.

Would you do the same thing in all three scenarios? If not, could you describe each in a little bit more detail?

psykzz wrote:There is an MP present, but said player in question has managed to steal all of the following: Every specialist's weapon, synth's ID, captains megaphone. Would you do anything differently here?

Ultimately i want to make sure he's not impacting the round, if the synth can't do its job, then i return the items that are needed (or help the MP to do its job a little faster). If however its a clown and the round is extended for example, I may let it happen, I'd most likely warn the player though that as soon as i get ahelps about it, hes to stop. If they don't then i see it as just ignoring admins and potentially ghost them for the rest of the round.

Would you do something about it even if noone ahelped? If so, what rule would you use to help your ruling here?

psykzz wrote:What would you personally consider minor/major or okay/not okay? Would you comfortable enforcing something that went against your personal belief here?

Minor racism being something like "french man eats bagette" / Russians drink vodka,
jokes i wouldn't accept are jokes about culture that make fun of wealth or under privileged lifestyles.
Major being anything targeting specifically about real life, religion, politics, someone or their countrie's economic or under privileged lifestyles. (EG "people from X are so poor, have stds, live in trees" etc)

You missed the second part of the question, but no worries:
"Would you comfortable enforcing something that went against your personal belief here?"

psykzz wrote:Larva's last message in hivemind was "Fuck you Queen I won't listen to you", how would you go about that?

Look at this person's history, if its first time, i help them to understand that its not RP and they need to follow the queen,
If not, I tell them its not rp anyway (because i bet he loves that), and that they should know better. If hes aggressive back, potentially job ban them.

I think I'd pay more attention to the round however and if they could've used the larva, i would've granted one back to the Hive. If they are winning, i'd leave it as it is.

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The player gets slightly confused and asks about which rule he is breaking, what do you tell him?

Tell him its not about rules, and that its also about playing the game, not everyone is here for the deathmatch XvH. If he continues to ask about rules, I'd tell him to stop being smart and that there are no rules from me job banning him. if he can't play the role correctly.

Let's look at these two answers in a little bit more detail, since they have one thing in common. Can you spot it?
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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Tue May 07, 2019 10:41 pm #492636

How would such a chance to start again look?
Would you consider the issue proper escalation?


Ideally speak to the MP to reduce their scentence, and allow the player to continue on their way.
No not typically, I'd prefer that someone adhelped about it because i wouldn't want to get invovled, however if its something i personally noticed then i'd want to help out.

Wouldn't it be better to let mentors handle it first?


It would but, that doesn't mean i can't try and help.

The player becomes slightly defensive and asks for a ruling on this matter, what do you tell him?


I would explain their is no ruling and hes not in trouble, im just want to inform them that its not strictly correct RP, and #

Would you do the same thing in all three scenarios? If not, could you describe each in a little bit more detail?


I don't know why i didn't read this and the other questions fully, maybe Im tired.
1st scenario, admin hacks.
2nd scenario, with the xenos attacking leave them to it, but progress to 3rd scenario if they are not finishing them off.
3rd. Pressure leaders on both sides to assault, ideally starting with the high pop count side.


Would you do something about it even if noone ahelped? If so, what rule would you use to help your ruling here?


Probably not, but if there were complaints in ooc not ahelp, id first tell them to ahelp if its a problem and then address it.

You missed the second part of the question, but no worries:
"Would you comfortable enforcing something that went against your personal belief here?"


Hard to answer, I don't personally have many beliefs, but im also not stupid and know when people are being fools, if someone else is being abused by another player I'd enforce it.

Let's look at these two answers in a little bit more detail, since they have one thing in common. Can you spot it?


I believe its that, neither of them are actually breaking rules, but Im enforcing more RP on them via the potential of a jobban (although i want to be clear that i dont think i'd actually do this until im sure they are being intentionally disruptive, i just know its a tool thats available)

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Sat May 11, 2019 6:14 pm #493208

Apologies for the lack of a response for the past few days, I've been thinking quite hard about how to phrase this. Most of your answers are wrong which would not be that much of an issue, but if taken at face value they would also display the mindset we are trying to avoid.

If you weren't active in the community much, it would have likely been attritubed to you meaning it, but since you're an active member and your history is as clean as it gets, it makes me thing that there might be a misunderstanding here.

So my question to you is, why did you answer specifically in this manner? Was it your interpretation of the rules? Or did you see the rules enforced here it the way you describe? (If so please contact me and I will look into it.)

psykzz wrote:I believe its that, neither of them are actually breaking rules, but Im enforcing more RP on them via the potential of a jobban

If the rules aren't being broken, why punish people?

psykzz wrote: I'd prefer that someone adhelped about it because i wouldn't want to get invovled

Would you do something about it even if noone ahelped? Probably not

Adminning is dirty work and you should generally be proactive rather than purely reactive. It would be very easy to just claim ignorance and avoid a terrible situation just because noone ahelped.

psykzz wrote:I would explain their is no ruling and hes not in trouble, im just want to inform them that its not strictly correct RP

You have the authority so if you tell someone to do/not do something, they will take it as a command, which is why we need to be very careful on how we phrase things and in what tone we speak with people.





With the prior things out of the way, can you take a look at the following answer and explain everything wrong with it?
psykzz wrote:If not, I tell them its not rp anyway (because i bet he loves that), and that they should know better. If hes aggressive back, potentially job ban them.
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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Sat May 11, 2019 7:02 pm #493214

I believe my answers may be a little out there because i was trying to answer for intent, with the assumption that all these scenarios needed to be handled.
Which lead to me over thinking things, for example with the mentor question. Obviously i expect a mentor would help a new player, because as an admin I would imagine there would be other tasks that would require my help, and if im stuck helping a mentor im not helping the server with my actual role.

If the rules aren't being broken, why punish people?


To be clear, if someone clearly wasn't breaking any rules then I wouldn't punish them. I was thinking here that if someone is not technically breaking the rules, but is working around them, in spite of the server, or not taking it seriously then I would want to persuade them otherwise as much as possible. That also doesn't mean i'd take an action against them, but i would want to try and improve their RP as much as possible.


This is all what i would do if left alone without guidance. That said i'm not someone to do any type of ban unless im sure of it, and if not i would be consulting other admins / mentors to help me with my decision.

With the prior things out of the way, can you take a look at the following answer and explain everything wrong with it?

psykzz wrote:
If not, I tell them its not rp anyway (because i bet he loves that), and that they should know better. If hes aggressive back, potentially job ban them.


I believe that, an admin shouldn't take action (jobban or otherwise) without a rule being broken or another extermely good reason.
If an action is taken against a player a clear reason as to why should be available to them, whether that is a rule broken or worse.
This will help the admin to make the right choice and avoid making subjective actions against players.
As an admin i believe we have a variety of tools (making notes, other admins, etc) that we can use to deal with issues we don't have a clearcut answer with.


Hope that helps.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Sat May 11, 2019 7:32 pm #493216

Another point i wanted to add. One of my skills is learning fast.

Previous to the work ive done so far on TGMC i haven't been working in DM or contributed to another SS13 repo in the last few years.

I joined TGMC because CM style maps are something im pretty interested in and after joining, loved it enough to stay and try and contribute back.
I really think now is a great time to get involved with everything as the server is still trying to find its place, once we finish porting over what we need from /TG/

I dont think i'll be the most memorable admin for sure, as im bound to make mistakes, but i hope that i'd be one of the most active.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby Rohesie » Thu May 16, 2019 9:15 am #493815

Hey, sorry about the delay. RL has been hectic.

I have mixed feelings, same as La. On one hand you are a very good contributor with a good player record, but on the other you insinuate you'll enforce things without caring if they are rules about it or not.

Admins have Rule 0 to avoid rules-lawyering, or to deal with anything that's not explicitly defined in the rules, but should be common sense, or edge cases. That doesn't mean they should invoke it lightly. I can't recall any time it was used since we started hosting months ago, really. If it's used, then it means we'll have to talk about it and modify the rules to accommodate for the situation, for banning someone for untold rules is something that happens in other servers and we'd really like to avoid it.

I'd be a bit more comfortable with this app if you'd be able to rephrase/re-answer questions 5, 7 and 13.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby Rohesie » Thu May 16, 2019 9:29 am #493819

psykzz wrote:17. You see a member of the staff abusing his powers in-game or otherwise breaking the administrator rules.

de-admin ASAP. have a converstation, if not they can speak with the head admin


Do you mean here that you'd de-admin your fellow admin? Could you expand on this scenario?

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Sat May 18, 2019 10:03 pm #494481

A few of these scenarios are worse case scenarios, so im giving my worse case answers. Nearly every answer would start with a smaller response.


Question 5
To be clear i'm not exactly sure what MT is referring to, i assume it meant Maintenance Technician (or another civilian role).
Being geared isn't a big deal, I wouldn't expect the player to be deploying to the frontline however, and would keep and eye out to ensure they don't.
If the player was new, and just looking to do some killing, i may offer they return to the lobby and join as a squad marine instead.

Question 7.
Given enough occurences (that i would have to notice without ahelps) or some ahelps i would answer and tell the player he's been griefing the others and needs to stop.
Otherwise, this could be handled ingame.

Question 13
Command staff are meant to be held to a higher standard, I would expect that they are able to keep it RP within the first few moments of the game. If It's happening once in a while is fine, but generally it shouldn't be everyday that this leader just ignores RP. I would be happy if they wanted to role play the situation, knowing about the aliens, to create something more interesting.

Question 17.
So i thought more about this and I want to explain my reasoning. (Im assuming its just me and other admin in this situation, if not i'd escalate to a higher admin asap).
If the admin is using fun verbs to learn what wires which, ill tell him to keep it cool, and to not not get crazy but not take any other action.
On the other hand, If the admin isn't replying to me and continuing to ruin the round banning players or something more, then i'd remove the admin until LaKiller / keyholder can get on and speak to both of us, I understand that when i do this i serverly put myself on the line, which is why i wouldn't do it unless im sure the admin is not thinking sanely.


I have admitted i'm pretty new, and wouldn't be taken many actions solo without advice until im sure about what im doing.
Learning the rules inside & out is going to give me a baseline, but blinding applying them could do just as much harm as good.

I'd need to learn discretion for sure, and I would be leaning heavily towards lesser / no punishments for my first few months.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby Rohesie » Wed May 22, 2019 1:09 am #494961

First of all, every time you apply punishment or demand change from a player you need to be able to back it up with the rule(s) they are breaking. That is not really optional, else we'd subject players to arbitrary admin moods. Please take this in mind in your answers.
There is Rule 0 for very edge cases, but we haven't had the need to invoke it yet, and it's certainly not meant to be the norm.

psykzz wrote:Question 5
To be clear i'm not exactly sure what MT is referring to, i assume it meant Maintenance Technician (or another civilian role).
Being geared isn't a big deal, I wouldn't expect the player to be deploying to the frontline however, and would keep and eye out to ensure they don't.
If the player was new, and just looking to do some killing, i may offer they return to the lobby and join as a squad marine instead.


Yep, MT is Maintenance Techinician. Say the MT is armed and armored, but is doing MT things. What then?

psykzz wrote:Question 7.
Given enough occurences (that i would have to notice without ahelps) or some ahelps i would answer and tell the player he's been griefing the others and needs to stop.
Otherwise, this could be handled ingame.


What rule(s) would this touch upon?


psykzz wrote:Question 13
Command staff are meant to be held to a higher standard, I would expect that they are able to keep it RP within the first few moments of the game. If It's happening once in a while is fine, but generally it shouldn't be everyday that this leader just ignores RP. I would be happy if they wanted to role play the situation, knowing about the aliens, to create something more interesting.


What rule(s) would this touch upon?

psykzz wrote:Question 17.
So i thought more about this and I want to explain my reasoning. (Im assuming its just me and other admin in this situation, if not i'd escalate to a higher admin asap).
If the admin is using fun verbs to learn what wires which, ill tell him to keep it cool, and to not not get crazy but not take any other action.
On the other hand, If the admin isn't replying to me and continuing to ruin the round banning players or something more, then i'd remove the admin until LaKiller / keyholder can get on and speak to both of us, I understand that when i do this i serverly put myself on the line, which is why i wouldn't do it unless im sure the admin is not thinking sanely.


Admins don't get to remove the rank of other admins, but they do get one admin ban, that is one ban that bypasses admin protections. This has been used only a single time, as memery, that I know of.

Can you describe the situations on which you'd use this, and the ones you'd try different methods?

psykzz wrote:I have admitted i'm pretty new, and wouldn't be taken many actions solo without advice until im sure about what im doing.
Learning the rules inside & out is going to give me a baseline, but blinding applying them could do just as much harm as good.

I'd need to learn discretion for sure, and I would be leaning heavily towards lesser / no punishments for my first few months.


That is fine, we don't fault people from not knowing everything as long as they are willing to learn and have the right attitude. Though knowledge is a plus.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Wed May 22, 2019 6:53 am #494998

Rohesie wrote:Yep, MT is Maintenance Techinician. Say the MT is armed and armored, but is doing MT things. What then?


Allow them to continue with it then.

Rohesie wrote:Question 7.
What rule(s) would this touch upon?


Rule 1.2 and 3.2 Under "repeated cases of minor unprovoked grief" and also "Stupid shenanigans which would otherwise be considered LRP can be allowed as long as harmless and is beneficial to the general enjoyment of the players", as the incident was ahelped, the player is more griefing, then being silly.

Rohesie wrote:Question 13
What rule(s) would this touch upon?


Rule 3.8 and Rule 5.1
Both reference that command staff have a duty at the start of round and are held more accountable for RP purposes.

Rohesie wrote:Question 17.

Admins don't get to remove the rank of other admins, but they do get one admin ban, that is one ban that bypasses admin protections. This has been used only a single time, as memery, that I know of.

Can you describe the situations on which you'd use this, and the ones you'd try different methods?

For all cases, where I believe the admin acted inappropriately, I would speak directly with that admin for justification, if we continue to disagree, I would add it to the forum under admin feedback at least.
If this continues, I would then bring it up with leads &/ LaKiller and explain whats happened and ask their opinion, as I could still be in the wrong.

In the situation before where the admin is refusing to listen to me, I would definitely not start with banning, but reach out in PM, discord, and even kick them to lobby, but eventually if they keep coming back in, ignoring me, and ruining the round. That is when i would use the admin ban until a lead is a available to help and assist me.
I don't see there being a case that will happen, but that is the circumstance that i feel like it would warrant the admin ban.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Wed May 22, 2019 5:22 pm #495057

psykzz wrote:Rule 3.8 and Rule 5.1
Both reference that command staff have a duty at the start of round and are held more accountable for RP purposes.

Let's look into those in a bit more detail.

Rule 3.8
"Everyone in the marine side is expected to behave in some form of order during briefing time, roughly before deployment, in its mapped location. It is a little protected RP intermission where the (acting) field commander, or another designated member of command, is expected to brief the troops, setting the squad objectives. Those who would rather not take place in it and are not playing a leadership role may head straight for the dropship instead."

Where does this rule state that they are not allowed to say that there are xenos on the planet?

Rule 5.1
"Essential roles such as Captain, Field Commander, Synth, Xenomorph Queen and Heads of Staff require a certain degree of knowledge of the game mechanics and are held to higher standards than the other roles."

Same question, where do you see the standard for RP behavior?
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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Wed May 22, 2019 5:54 pm #495063

Neither of the rules explicitly state what you are asking, 3.8 does not state anything about xenos, and rule 5.1 does not make a statement about RP.

My interpretation however was that these together would consititute to the meaning I was getting at.

From Rule 5.1 we understand that command staff are held to a higher standard than other roles (I expected this extends to RP along with knowledge). As Rule 3.8 directs a member of command staff to give the briefing, I determined that this briefing, being a single moment at the start of the round is what sets the tone for the rest of the marines.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Wed May 22, 2019 8:18 pm #495080

psykzz wrote:Neither of the rules explicitly state what you are asking, 3.8 does not state anything about xenos, and rule 5.1 does not make a statement about RP.

My interpretation however was that these together would consititute to the meaning I was getting at.

From Rule 5.1 we understand that command staff are held to a higher standard than other roles (I expected this extends to RP along with knowledge). As Rule 3.8 directs a member of command staff to give the briefing, I determined that this briefing, being a single moment at the start of the round is what sets the tone for the rest of the marines.


Alright, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this.
Have you read our lore?
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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Wed May 22, 2019 10:02 pm #495096

Honetly not enough no, I'm not really a lore person and I believed it to be still a work in progress honestly.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Tue May 28, 2019 6:33 pm #495858

I have since read through the lore and got caught up.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 pm #495864

psykzz wrote:I have since read through the lore and got caught up.

What does it say about Xenomorphs?
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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby psykzz » Tue May 28, 2019 8:53 pm #495870

No talk about it, however they could be related to the non-human species that used bio weapons on colonies across the galaxy, however after ICC and TGMC joined forces it was pretty much wiped out.

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Re: [PsyKzz] - Admin Application

Postby LaKiller8 » Thu May 30, 2019 9:31 am #496055

Hello! After consulting with the rest of the admin team, I have decided to accept this application! Welcome to the team, I'll explain everything on our Discord.
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