Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

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Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Hulkamania » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:33 am #498259

Hello spacemen of the 2d variety!

AnturK has reworked an old policy feature that will allow you to see policy relevant to your current character in game!
By hitting the "show policy" button in the OOC tab you get a popup that will list out anything added to the config file itself regarding the keywords applied to your character. Here's the general idea of how it works:

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Possible keywords :
Job titles / Assigned roles (ghost spawners for example) : Assistant , Captain , Ash Walker
Mob types : /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/carp
Antagonist types : /datum/antagonist/highlander
Species types : /datum/species/lizard
special keywords defined in _DEFINES/admin.dm

Example config:
{
    "Assistant" : "Don't kill everyone",
    "/datum/antagonist/highlander" : "<b>Kill everyone</b>",
    "Ash Walker" : "Kill all spacemans"
}


As you can see we can cover a wide variety of things from jobs, to antagonist types, to specific species using keywords. With that being said, it would be easy for the head admins to overlook something that could use policy clarification around it so I'm opening this thread for input from the public as a whole. If there's a job, antag, species or other keyword that you think could benefit from having some in-game policy reminders, please feel free to post about it here.

An example of this for something like revs would be: "You are a team antagonist, team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team."

Another example for mime would be: "You may break your vow of silence at any time, but this could result in an angry crew coming after your head."

If you have any suggestions for what might make a good policy reminder in game, please post it here. This is not the place to post ideas for new policies or policy clarification



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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby MortoSasye » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:11 am #498264

Maybe reminding people to not steal if they don't want to get possibly killed for instigating a conflict, or for security to seek approval of the captain, warden or head of security when making executions >if< available.

Also remind clowns that if they take their shoes off they will prob get lynched.
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby wesoda25 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:56 am #498277

Authorization has never been necessary, I ask for it in like 1/20 cases, no notes over it yet.
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:36 pm #498308

We should, at the very least, be providing links to the job’s wiki page and any guides that are necessary for them to function.

EDIT: There’s a PR up at the moment which will display this information when a player spawns in.
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Gigapuddi420 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:59 pm #498311

I like the idea of a simple verb/button players could use to remind themselves of specific policy for roles. The main benefit I see is to aid people using ghost roles as they tend to have their own policies based on the premise of the role. Admittedly those roles also have flavor-text on using them, but a policy verb would be more explicit on what is expected if the players chose to look it up. As Ned says, providing links might help though a short line on what is expected of the role or what it explicitly can do might help.

For all ghost roles in general it might be prudent to remind the player that this is NOT a continuation of their previous life and all knowledge from their previous life is lost followed by specifics of the roles. Lavaland golems start off neutral and generally well meaning but can defend themselves should others prove hostile. Ash Lizards can freely attack and kill outsiders but should remain on lavaland to keep the nest safe. Syndicate Base staff can kill anyone who isn't syndicate but must remain on their base, they can only blow the base if it is compromised. Ect.

It might be a bit of a task to go around all the side roles we have and picking apart our policy on them into a easy, quick shorthand of what is expected. Even the examples above are just quick and loose based on what I remember of their policy. If I wanted a proper go at it I'd have to pour over the threads again.
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby teepeepee » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:48 pm #498372

MortoSasye wrote:Maybe reminding (...) security to seek approval of the captain, warden or head of security when making executions >if< available.

The source of this supposed "policy" you quote is Space law
Capital Crimes wrote:These crimes can result in Execution, Permanent Prison Time, Permanent Labor Camp Time, or Cyborgization.
Only the Captain, HoS, and Warden can authorize a Permanent Sentence.
Only the Captain can authorize an Execution or Forced Cyborgization.

admins have scoffed at players trying to justify their actions with space law before (see Istoprocent1's ban), so we should be able to ignore this as a simple suggestion too
instead, you should adjust your expectations to what is said here
Security Policy & Precedents wrote:2. Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Security are not exceptions to the rule where non-antagonists can do anything they want, as per rule 4, to antagonists.
3. The 'act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4. Make sure players deserve it when you treat them as an antag, when in doubt, err on the side of caution as poor behaviour on the part of security will not be tolerated.

of course, it says to make sure players deserve it and that leads to administrative issues, but in my experience when you execute someone as an officer they were past the line of "acting like an antag" beyond any reasonable doubt, and of course, that's what we have admins to determine for anyways
tl;dr: There's no actual rule telling security officers not to execute antagonists, if they're up for execution, they've acted like an antag most probably

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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby MortoSasye » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:54 pm #498387

wesoda25 wrote:Authorization has never been necessary, I ask for it in like 1/20 cases, no notes over it yet.


It's to avoid us headaches of someone ahelping because McNew Security Officer decided to kill someone for stealing the clown shoes. No, you won't get in trouble for not asking your boss but in servers like Event this would help prevent issues of new players making bad decisions.
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby MortoSasye » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:56 pm #498388

teepeepee wrote:stuff

Read above, also sorry for double post but im on my cellphone
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Shadowflame909 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:57 pm #498389

This is a very interesting one

Solo antagonists and metagrudging: Solo antagonists can metagrudge as long as they are not rolling for it specifically to do so, and killing someone who killed you in a previous life as a ghost role antag is bad.

Huh. But on the safer side, I think this one needs to be made more prominent.

Organizing mass grief as security or a head: Do not organize mass grief when you are in control of the security force.

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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:12 pm #498392

Hulkamania wrote: If you have any suggestions for what might make a good policy reminder in game, please post it here. This is not the place to post ideas for new policies or policy clarification


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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:37 pm #498394

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{
   'AI':'Be sure to familiarize yourself with silicon policy at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Silicon_Policy and please contact an administrator if you need assistance interpreting your laws'
   'Assistant':'New player? Read the player guide at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Starter_guide Returning assistants may find inspiration at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Assistant#Gimmicks'
   'Atmospheric Technician':'Please see the guide to atmospherics at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_Atmospherics'
   'Bartender':'Please see the wiki\'s page on bartender at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Bartender and the guide to food and drinks at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_food_and_drinks'
   'Botanist':'Please see the Guide to Hydroponics at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_hydroponics and the Guide to Plants at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_plants'
   'Captain':'This job is critical to round progression. If you need to leave, please inform an administrator. More information on how to successfully lead the crew can be found at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Captain'
   'Cargo Technician':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Cargo_Technician'
   'Chaplain':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chaplain'
   'Chemist':'Please see the Guide to Chemistry at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_chemistry and Chemical Recipes at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chemical_recipes'
   'Chief Engineer':'A variety of guides and more information for this job are available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chief_Engineer'
   'Chief Medical Officer':'A variety of guides and more information for this job are available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Chief_Medical_Officer'
   'Clown':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Clown'
   'Cook':'Please see the Guide to Food and Drinks at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_food_and_drinks'
   'Curator':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Curator'
   'Cyborg':'Be sure to familiarize yourself with silicon policy at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Silicon_Policy and please contact an administrator if you need assistance interpreting your laws'
   'Detective':'Your revolver should only be used for self defense. More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Detective'
   'Geneticist':'Please see the Guide to Genetics at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_genetics'
   'Head of Personnel':'This job is critical to round progression. If you need to leave, please inform an administrator. More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Head_of_Personnel'
   'Head of Security':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Head_of_Security'
   'Janitor':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Janitor'
   'Lawyer':''More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lawyer'
   'Medical Doctor':'Please see the Guide to Medicine at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_medicine and the Guide to Surgery at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Surgery More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Medical_Doctor'
   'Mime':'Breaking your vow of silence may result in your death. More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Mime'
   'Quartermaster':'More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Quartermaster'
   'Research Director':'Please see the Guide to Research and Development at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_Research_and_Development More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Research_Director'
   'Roboticist':'Please see the Guide to Robotics at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_robotics More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Roboticist'
   'Scientist':'Please see the Guide to Research and Development at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_Research_and_Development More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Scientist'
   'Security Officer':'Please see the Guide to Security at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_security and Standard Operating Procedure at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Standard_Operating_Procedure More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Security_Officer'
   'Shaft Miner':'Much is unknown about what lurks on the surface of Lavaland. You may find more information at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Shaft_Miner'
   'Station Engineer':'For guides on setting up the station\'s power, please see the Station Engineer job page on the wiki at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Station_Engineer'
   'Virologist':'Please see Virology 101 at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Infections More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Virologist'
   'Warden':'Unless shortstaffed, the Warden is not intended to be acting as a security officer. You are advised to remain in or near the brig unless otherwise needed. More information on this job is available at: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Warden'
}
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:06 pm #498400

Add the "this is a critical role" to all heads of staff, ned

Security roles should have at least a basic outline of security precedent from the rules page.
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Skillywatt » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:14 am #498808

Yakumo_Chen wrote:Add the "this is a critical role" to all heads of staff, ned

Security roles should have at least a basic outline of security precedent from the rules page.


Should also remind detective players it's preferred they play detective and not a red shirt with a revolver.

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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:17 pm #499496

I created a shorter URL for the security rules and precedents: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Security_Rules
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:13 pm #506154

A few suggestions for sec:
-Fines exist
-Perma exists
-You can use gulag instead of brigging
-Don't run around with your 'tools" in hand
-Ask first, shoot later
-Be humane (when convict asks for lawyer get a lawyer, set brig times etc...)
-Do not use confiscated antag items (traitor weapons wizard things etc....)
-Don't leave brig as warden
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Server: Shity game
Admin with problems : [REDACTED]
Admin that needs to kill himself : [REDACTED]
My appeal : Just pick up a flamthorwer and kill community and you cured cancer , good job you are a hero .
Admin reaction: forum ban , Some shit talk , alot of salt
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i forgot it wrote: [Security] Ned Speaker says, "Hello, I've just arrived"
[Security] Ned Speaker says, "What is the current threat to the station?"
Clue Less says, "It's revs"
[Security] Clue Less says, "It's revs"
*BWOINK*
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby bandit » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:27 pm #506173

does it contain anything about when you do and don't need to ahelp before ghosting/leaving, if not it should
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby ATHATH » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:38 am #506228

Tarchonvaagh wrote:-You are allowed to use confiscated antag items (traitor weapons wizard things etc....), and if your HoS tries to convince you otherwise, you are allowed to laugh at them (and defend yourself if they try to take them by force).

FTFY.

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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:52 am #506284

ATHATH wrote:
Tarchonvaagh wrote:-You are allowed to use confiscated antag items (traitor weapons wizard things etc....), and if your HoS tries to convince you otherwise, you are allowed to laugh at them (and defend yourself if they try to take them by force).

FTFY.

The fuck

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Shitcurity

75. Use contraband you found against criminals
My characters:
Tharcoonvagh Hawker the paparazzi librarian,
Pennydumb the wise clown,
And Marvin the moody robot.

Some random quotes:

Spoiler:
420goslingboy69 wrote:looking foir all the girl admins so we can have a party server you know what i am saying formal complaitn that there aint enough babes in bikinis and dresses (i mean skirts lol) telling us boys how we should paly the game and handle our roleplaying ic interactions


looping wrote: HELLO I AM BANNED FROM THE FORUM AND I WANT OUT OF THE HUTT, IT SMELLS AND THE PEOPLE WHO WALK THE GROUND NEXT TO ME DO NOT WASH THEIR FINGERS WHICH NOW ARE LONG AND CAKED IN DIRT


fopat wrote:Admin : dickhead
Reason of ban: Community dickedness
Server: Shity game
Admin with problems : [REDACTED]
Admin that needs to kill himself : [REDACTED]
My appeal : Just pick up a flamthorwer and kill community and you cured cancer , good job you are a hero .
Admin reaction: forum ban , Some shit talk , alot of salt
Community reaction: Memes , ALOT OF MEMES Holly
My reaction: Thanks you cured my cancer , by banning me from this shity game
Reason of appeal: Anger the admin , and make him game end himself
Fan Reaction: GWQEINHHHHHH ... And another alien shit
THE BIGGEST THE BIGGEST THE BIGGEST SHIT : Byond
Conclusion: dont waste your life playing this game , and admins suck , in alomost all games , because they are human , AND HUMANS SUCKS


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i forgot it wrote: [Security] Ned Speaker says, "Hello, I've just arrived"
[Security] Ned Speaker says, "What is the current threat to the station?"
Clue Less says, "It's revs"
[Security] Clue Less says, "It's revs"
*BWOINK*
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Re: Suggestions for the Show Policy OOC verb

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:05 am #506398

Tarchonvaagh wrote:
ATHATH wrote:
Tarchonvaagh wrote:-You are allowed to use confiscated antag items (traitor weapons wizard things etc....), and if your HoS tries to convince you otherwise, you are allowed to laugh at them (and defend yourself if they try to take them by force).

FTFY.

The fuck

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Shitcurity

75. Use contraband you found against criminals

it's one of those things that's allowed but you're just a fundamentally bad person for doing it
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