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Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:41 pm #570915

What an idiot
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Postby trollbreeder » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:33 pm #570922

Please link to whatever you're peanutting about
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Screemonster » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:37 pm #570923

trollbreeder wrote:Please link to whatever you're peanutting about

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Postby trollbreeder » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:38 pm #570924

Haha.
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Postby Jack7D1 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:20 pm #570927

Banned for posting stale memes. We live in a good society.
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Istoprocent1 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:06 am #571969

I don't get all this phobia towards the symbols from the past, but thats just me. Might need to start drinking more of that tap water people be raving about. :roll:

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby kopoba » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:46 am #571970

he better been Indian and blame that its not nazi simbol and just Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism simbol and admems are racists towards indians :head:

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Postby Vekter » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:22 am #571971

kopoba wrote:he better been Indian and blame that its not nazi simbol and just Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism simbol and admems are racists towards indians :head:


Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby kopoba » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:44 am #571972

Vekter wrote:Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

there is no signs that station name was somthin somthin hail hitler so i dont see any signs of nazi propaganda :shades:

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Postby Space Panda » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:45 pm #571974

fucking 4chan retards

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Postby Jack7D1 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:11 pm #571976

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Sheodir » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:41 pm #571977

Vekter wrote:
kopoba wrote:he better been Indian and blame that its not nazi simbol and just Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism simbol and admems are racists towards indians :head:


Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

I don't side either way in this discussion but this is incorrect, the Eastern religions still use the symbol quite often unmodified. Hindus overseas often use a version with dots on it or the Benghali version at times (which looks more like a stick figure) but in country or in Jainism it goes unmodified. Malay Buddhism still uses the original symbol unchanged, and even in the US there's a big kerfuffle about Navajo descended people being able to use the symbol as it has a traditional meaning to them.

Of course, this wasn't the intent of the ban recipient, so not that relevant to this discussion.
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Agux909 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:43 pm #571983

Just one thing. Screw Hitler.
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Postby Sheodir » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:50 pm #571985

Agux909 wrote:Just one thing. Screw Hitler.

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Postby Jack7D1 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:11 pm #571990

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Postby Qbmax32 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:15 pm #572002

ill never understand how it’s so hard for some people to not include weird nazi shit in everything they do
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Postby Vekter » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:26 pm #572003

If you have 19 people and 1 Nazi at a table, that's 20 Nazis.

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Postby Flatulent » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:49 pm #572015

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Postby Jack7D1 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:29 am #572031

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Postby cacogen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:38 am #572041

卐 I love iCarly station 卍

getting permanently banned from all head of staff roles for naming the station this by an admin like themidnightrose is to be expected. i could understand it if it were just hard n's as that's low effort and played out but even in such a case just rename the station like nigga smite the guy. i do think iCarlyStation with the Buddhist symbols would've been better though
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Postby teepeepee » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:18 pm #572090

Vekter wrote:Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

lmao only ameritards and eurocucks believe this
everyone else in the world doesn't give a fuck
japanese high school girls used 卍 as a meme and when told about the nazis they just said they don't care
it's also used in maps to signal buddhist temples and a law to change the symbol in japan did not pass cause no one wants to take your greasy cultural imperialism cock willingly

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Postby oranges » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:31 pm #572117

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Postby Ayy Lemoh » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:33 am #572119

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Postby cacogen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:00 am #572143

National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke
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Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:41 am #572151

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Screemonster » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:17 am #572164

cacogen wrote:National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

it has to be funny to be easily identifiable as a joke

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Postby cacogen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:25 pm #572174

Your sense of humour doesn't change the intent. You don't have to be a #MeToo level comedian to make a joke in a computer game
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Postby Space Panda » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:43 pm #572178

It doesn't really matter if other cultures (such as the ones from asia) have different meanings for the symbol, because the joke was made in a game in which both lore and playerbase are mostly composed of western elements.

Unless it was explicitedly stated at the moment of the joke that it was refering to something else, the first and obvious interpretation would be that it was related to nazism. Context matters.



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Postby Armhulen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:02 pm #572179

I can not believe people are using the other cultures excuse for the swastika in 2020. I know you think low of the banning admin but that's no reason to put out bad faith arguments
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Postby Kel » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:52 pm #572183

the only reasonable argument is that this is (pretty blatantly) a case of absurdist humor and the swastika has completely distracted everyone that it was pretty damn obviously a shitpost, much like 90% of all station names.
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Farquaar » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:08 pm #572195

Screemonster wrote:
cacogen wrote:National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

it has to be funny to be easily identifiable as a joke

It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

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Postby Space Panda » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:22 pm #572199

Farquaar wrote:
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cacogen wrote:National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

it has to be funny to be easily identifiable as a joke

It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.


Country =/= Ideology. Nazi ideology is hateful and violent in its essence, and it's main idea is about race superiority and genocide.

While the Soviet Union had genocide in its history, it is not the defining characteristic of it. USSR lasted way beyond Stalin, and changed a lot through its different leaders. You could perhaps say Stalinism is just as bad, but saying references to the nation USSR would be a problem implies we should also avoid making references to Germany, Japan, Cambodia, Italy, and any other country which was involved in genocide at some point in history. And there are plenty of countries that were and still exist. Shit, if you add up all the fucked up things USA imperialism did, you could even make an argument for banning references to them.

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Ayy Lemoh » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:38 pm #572204

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Postby Sheodir » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:40 pm #572205

Ehn.

Is the joke a trash shitpost? Sure. Is it funny? Definitely not. Does it make sense to ban for it? Eeehn. Listen to admins speak in OOC on Terry and you'll hear edgier shit by the dozen, and it seems like a pretty clear cut case of 'man wants to shitpost haha funny windmill' rather than 'SPREADING WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEALS IN SS13', which again, if you believe that's applicable, spend ten minutes on Terry OOC.

People say way edgier shit in this game, shitposting in station names isn't new and admins of this server have named their station shit like "Ni**er Killer Station 2000" on Bagil in the past and they're still around. It seems like a bit of an inconsistent ruling imo. Then again, getting banned from Head roles is whatever.

My point about Vekter being wrong about the symbol in the East isn't a defense, I was just pointing out he was mistaken. As said before, clearly not the intention of the person in the appeal to use it in that meaning, so irrelevant. If anyone ever wants to put Buddhist Prayer Temples in-game then we can bring that up again.
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Postby Armhulen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:43 pm #572206

I dunno, I don't like our server having swastikas on the BYOND hub. Bad look. There would have to be some serious issue going on internally with the situation for me to disagree with removing nazi stuff, admins shouldn't get flak for it.
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Postby Sheodir » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:44 pm #572208

Armhulen wrote:I dunno, I don't like our server having swastikas on the BYOND hub. Bad look. There would have to be some serious issue going on internally with the situation for me to disagree with removing nazi stuff, admins shouldn't get flak for it.

The argument for not wanting it on the hub is super valid actually, yeah. If we consider that angle, it should definitely be bannable, but placed more front and center in rule clarification.

(I completely forgot that /tg/servers are on the hub now, lmao.)
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Kel » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:03 pm #572213

theres a few errs with the ban imo
- admins are capable of force renaming the station
- there was no actual violation cited
- ban was rejected for... not waiting 2 weeks? no actual reason was stated

also in my opinion the punishment doesnt even remotely fit the crime. perma headban for what i would personally consider a minor infraction at worse? crazy.

Armhulen wrote:I dunno, I don't like our server having swastikas on the BYOND hub. Bad look. There would have to be some serious issue going on internally with the situation for me to disagree with removing nazi stuff, admins shouldn't get flak for it.

this is valid, but also couldn't this be nullified by force-renaming the station? beyond this, if swastikas surrounding i love icarly was going to scare away a potential player, im sure they wouldn't fare too well against any given random shit people have to say in common radio.
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Postby Farquaar » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:06 pm #572214

Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

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I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.

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Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.


I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Farquaar » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:42 pm #572217

Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.


I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Nazi Germany is to nazism as the Soviet Union is to communism. They’re both dark, murderous ideologies that are responsible for immense pain, death etc. Hardly a false equivalence.

If someone is an actual neo-nazi, then ban them like we did with Obscolene, I don’t care, good riddance. But if you’re going to advocate banning people just for making jokes that might offend someone, then at least be consistent about it.

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Postby Space Panda » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:59 pm #572219

Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.


I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Nazi Germany is to nazism as the Soviet Union is to communism. They’re both dark, murderous ideologies that are responsible for immense pain, death etc. Hardly a false equivalence.

If someone is an actual neo-nazi, then ban them like we did with Obscolene, I don’t care, good riddance. But if you’re going to advocate banning people just for making jokes that might offend someone, then at least be consistent about it.


Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Screemonster » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:01 pm #572220

Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Farquaar wrote:It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.


I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Nazi Germany is to nazism as the Soviet Union is to communism. They’re both dark, murderous ideologies that are responsible for immense pain, death etc. Hardly a false equivalence.

If someone is an actual neo-nazi, then ban them like we did with Obscolene, I don’t care, good riddance. But if you’re going to advocate banning people just for making jokes that might offend someone, then at least be consistent about it.


Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

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Postby Space Panda » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:04 pm #572222

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Farquaar » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:41 pm #572235

Space Panda wrote:Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

This isn’t a discussion about whether the USSR was RealCommunism™. Communism has resulted in death and slaughter wherever it’s been tried, making communist symbols offensive to many people, especially those who lived through it. Communism jokes are edgy, whether you like it or not.

Putting an iCarly fan club next to a swastika is funny in the same way that a clown wearing hammer and sickle underpants is funny. They’re both edgy, and they’re both absurd. You personally might not get the joke, but don’t act like either is a promotion of nazism or communism.

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Space Panda » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:24 am #572238

Farquaar wrote:
Space Panda wrote:Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

This isn’t a discussion about whether the USSR was RealCommunism™. Communism has resulted in death and slaughter wherever it’s been tried, making communist symbols offensive to many people, especially those who lived through it. Communism jokes are edgy, whether you like it or not.

Putting an iCarly fan club next to a swastika is funny in the same way that a clown wearing hammer and sickle underpants is funny. They’re both edgy, and they’re both absurd. You personally might not get the joke, but don’t act like either is a promotion of nazism or communism.


imagine believing USSR, China and NK being the only attempts at communism


And by your logic, Christianity should be considered edgy because of all the war and genocide that happened in its name across its history.

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Armhulen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:31 am #572239

Space Panda wrote:And by your logic, Christianity should be considered edgy because of all the war and genocide that happened in its name across its history.

Yes
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Jack7D1 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:46 am #572242

Humanity is the greatest mistake of history, relinquish human, convert to moth
Elysius Languida is a pacifist moth who dies every round.

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Space Panda » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:57 am #572243

Jack7D1 wrote:Humanity is the greatest mistake of history, relinquish human, convert to moth

and panda

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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:32 am #572245

shoulda been a temp ban
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Re: Swastika station name nutshack

Postby Farquaar » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:42 am #572250

Space Panda wrote:And by your logic, Christianity should be considered edgy because of all the war and genocide that happened in its name across its history.

† DEUS VULT BURN THE HERETIC † style chaplainry is, indeed, very edgy. However, I’m not the one who advocates permabanning dark humor because some people don’t get the joke.

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