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Catwalk Station Development Thread

Post by EuSouAFazenda » #614386

A long time ago, there was Donutstation. And not that long ago, there was Donutstation Multi-Z. Unlike, well, anything that came after, Donutstation didn't put a Z-layer under the station: It put it above. It's time to revisit this idea.

Welcome... to Catwalk Station.

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Design doc: https://hackmd.io/@kNRZ9uxhShS3s2N9scOX ... alkStation
(I recommend at least skimming through the design doc; it's not long, it's pretty short).

When playing on Tram or Icebox, have you ever felt the verticality? Have you ever said "That's up there and this is down here"? Have you ever felt like you were in a 3D space rather than merely a 2D space? This is what this station aims to achieve.

The main gimmick of the station is the catwalks. The main corridoors are higher than that of your average space station, extending to a level above. In that level, there is the catwalks, an extension of maintenance that extends above the coridoors.

Another important aspect of Catwalk is how I specifically am NOT going to do what Tram did, putting departments on top of eachother. Instead, Catwalk has 2-floors departments. Take a look at Engineering, for example:
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As you can see, the department "folds" onto itself if compared to Metastation. Because of that, Engineering takes up half the space it otherwise did, creating space to put Cargo under it. Talking about Cargo!
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Cargo is the shining example of what Catwalk stands for. The large bottom area can be seen from above, with you standing on top of rooms like the mailing office or the QM's quarters. Furthermore, to move crates out with the conveyor belt they'd fall down the Z-level, adding an extra lil bit of verticality to the process. On top of it all, there are catwalks on top overseeing it all.

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Here's the map of the station. Looks familiar? It's very much so from the Meta/Delta family, with the Cargo changed out of place. In this new map, Science is both close to Medical AND to the Ore Redemption Machine - pretty nifty, hm?
The map is the exact same on the top Z-Level, as every department stretches out vertically.



This is what I have so far - Cargo and Engineering complete. The way I'm doing is I'm doing first the department I least like to do (Engineering), then the one I most like to do (Cargo), then the second one I least like to do (Science), then the second one I most want to do (Security) so on and so forth.
That way I can make sure that for every slog there's a cool part at the end, helping with motivation n' such. That's why Engineering was already done; I'd love to show the Multi-Z things I'm planning for Security or Medbay, but sadly I had to do Engineering first.

Of course, this isn't EVERYTHING about Catwalk Station - if you want to do so, check the design doc up there. It goes more in-depth in some things, namely how antagonists can use the multi-Z and how this station aims to make sabotaging the gravity generator a big deal.

Thoughts? Comments? Questions?
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Post by Farquaar » #614409

Looks interesting!
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Post by Pandarsenic » #614420

2-floor departments rock but PLEASE

I BEG YOU

Design this with an eye for making it usable to people in wheelchairs, engineers with new supermatter shards, etc., from the very beginning.

... and idk if it's doable but it'd own if the thing from Tram where you can't space people and you can avoid the supermatter going off by being on a different level of the station because the Z Levels don't real were fixed from the start or accounted for from the beginning as well.
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Pandarsenic wrote:2-floor departments rock but PLEASE

I BEG YOU

Design this with an eye for making it usable to people in wheelchairs, engineers with new supermatter shards, etc., from the very beginning.

... and idk if it's doable but it'd own if the thing from Tram where you can't space people and you can avoid the supermatter going off by being on a different level of the station because the Z Levels don't real were fixed from the start or accounted for from the beginning as well.
Neither of those are issues of mapping though.
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Post by Agux909 » #614542

I really really like this idea. But please, other than the novelty of the catwalks, try to make the station stand by its own, for its areas to look interesting and visually appealing. Give players reasons to visit and pass through them. Don't forget about maintenance nor make it redundant to use.

Learn from the departments you least like from each current map respectively, try to make it so no department/area feels like a chore to visit or to feel like "it's just there".
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Post by wesoda25 » #614555

I do not think we need more gimmick maps.
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wesoda25 wrote:I do not think we need more gimmick maps.
They can be good so long as the station value doesn't come fully from the gimmick.
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wesoda25 wrote:I do not think we need more gimmick maps.
If you make every single map meta but reordered you're going to always compare it to meta directly and meta will ALWAYS win that
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Heyo! I'm not dead so I decided to drop a small update'. Science is well underway; here's a few images.
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Something to note is that Science is the department I know the least about, so I'm bound to make mistakes here; feel free to point out any.

So, yeah! Science. I'm suprised how much verticality I could put here; it's definitely the department with the most so far. We have Xenobio with the pens, but also both the RD's and the public balcony also look pretty nice. Something I really liked was the lil' backroad on the back; with the plants and cones it'll become a nice thing to look at outside of the windows of robotics and xeno.

Oh! Talking about robotics. Robotics is HUGE. Believe it or not, but I'm having the weird problem of having too much space. I know, I know, crazy. But here's the thing: My engineering is the size of Meta's Cargo and my Cargo literally fits inside of Meta's Bar. The idea was to have robotics on that lump between Cargo and Command, but it was so big that I ended cutting it in half: The top part is now (going to be) the vacant commisary and the bottom is robotics - and it's STILL too big. At this point I just decided to roll with it; I have the space to spare, and my hallways are smaller than Meta's - I checked.



On other news - I'm thinking of slightly altering the layout to make it a bit less "Literally Meta's Layout". Namely, putting Arrivals on the bottom, Departures on the top and Security on the left. The map will look more like this:
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You might have noticed there's a small coridoor behind Science. This is because the coridoor between Sci and Med is one of the most common spots to become inhabitable, thus locking any latejoiners in Arrivals. This small 2-wide public access coridoor will connect Arrivals directly onto the coridoor in front of Cargo, thus solving that issue. Themeing-wise, I plan on making it a more run-down part of the station; not outright dangerous like maint but somewhere you wouldn't like to be: Trash, dust and, of course, it's directly behind Science, leading to possible traitor activities.


There's one problem with that: Ordnance. The bomb would need to cross that hallway to get to space. I have 2 ideas for that:

1: Make it so at one point the floor ramps up to the top Z-Level, the bomb tunnel is underneath it. After it passes the bomb tunnel the hallway goes back down to the main Z-level.
2: I put a back door in Science to there and put Ordnance on the other side of the street.

I really like both options. I think having a part where the ground goes up and you can see the area the bombs will pass through a glass floor is super cool, but I also like having it be on the other side of the street, giving a bit more incentive for the crew to go there and a much bigger incentive to go there as traitor - fitting with the "it's a bad part of the station" vibe I'm going for. Plus - stations are meant to be falibe and putting toxins on the other side of the hallway unsupervisionated would be a VERY big point of problem - so much so that it might be too insecure, even with rwalls.

So I'm asking: Should I got for option 1 or option 2? 1 is much safer (both in terms of design and in-game) but is not as interesting as 2.
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I've asked around in the discord, and supposedly wheelchairs just work fine on staircases, even the vertical ones? Weird. Eitherway, I'd love to do wheelchair-friendly mapping but we don't have ramps in-game; only staircases and elevators. And elevators gib people so I can't put them everywhere. I'm gonna put one in the maint near Engineering for SM transportation tho.
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EuSouAFazenda wrote: You might have noticed there's a small coridoor behind Science. This is because the coridoor between Sci and Med is one of the most common spots to become inhabitable, thus locking any latejoiners in Arrivals. This small 2-wide public access coridoor will connect Arrivals directly onto the coridoor in front of Cargo, thus solving that issue. Themeing-wise, I plan on making it a more run-down part of the station; not outright dangerous like maint but somewhere you wouldn't like to be: Trash, dust and, of course, it's directly behind Science, leading to possible traitor activities.

There's one problem with that: Ordnance. The bomb would need to cross that hallway to get to space. I have 2 ideas for that:

1: Make it so at one point the floor ramps up to the top Z-Level, the bomb tunnel is underneath it. After it passes the bomb tunnel the hallway goes back down to the main Z-level.
2: I put a back door in Science to there and put Ordnance on the other side of the street.

I really like both options. I think having a part where the ground goes up and you can see the area the bombs will pass through a glass floor is super cool, but I also like having it be on the other side of the street, giving a bit more incentive for the crew to go there and a much bigger incentive to go there as traitor - fitting with the "it's a bad part of the station" vibe I'm going for. Plus - stations are meant to be falibe and putting toxins on the other side of the hallway unsupervisionated would be a VERY big point of problem - so much so that it might be too insecure, even with rwalls.

So I'm asking: Should I got for option 1 or option 2? 1 is much safer (both in terms of design and in-game) but is not as interesting as 2.
I think that aesthetically, the ramp would be really cool - plus, it naturally integrates a part of the station corridors into the upper catwalk area, so it could serve as a natural and stealthy entry/exit from maintenance (befitting the run-down/sketchy idea you were going for). Mechanically, the back door idea gives some fun opportunities and facilitates some break-in potential more than the ramp would. I think that the ramp would help facilitate the map gimmick, but that the door would be more unique compared to other stations. Depending on your priorities, pick one.
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Post by EuSouAFazenda » #614776

I have decided to eat my cake and have it too.

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By combining both ideas, something new and amazing emerged: The ability to tie people down to a chair, leave them at the large room underneath the window, hack into Ordnance and literally send a bomb to the poor bastard's face.

The true spirit of the western movie genre.
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Post by EuSouAFazenda » #615998

After a while, behold! The research department!

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Science is practically ready; all that's left if I didn't fuck anything up is to add the wall stuff - intercoms, newscasters, etc. Outside of those, everything's in place, so if you feel like a certain item's missing or somethin' along those lines please say so.

The same isn't true for the maints tho; the maints around it are very much so a work-in-progress; expect it to be modified more. Specially the abandoned Chapel; I want to add more decorations around it.

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A: No, it's a monkey recycler.

Q: Is that a cannon sticking out of Ordnance?
A: ...yes.

Q: Is that a escape pod sticking out of the cannon?
A: ...yes. The idea of someone crawling through the tube to reach the safety of a escape pod is a interesting one in my head and I don't see why not.

Q: Is that a shop?
A: Science's job is to give gamer loot to the rest of the station. I always found it kinda odd that there's no way to hand out the items other than personally hand it over to them so I made this neat little shop for them.

Q: What's up with the screenshots?
A: I have no idea why but SDMM's screenshot feature got the colors weird. The first pics are me using Window's built-in screenshot tool and the bottom ones were made with SDMM's screenshot feature.
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Post by Valorium » #616114

Looks very nice! Aside from Science, what other departments have been properly completed, again? I had an idea in mind to make the Dorms/Recreation Area more interesting if you'd be interested in hearing it.
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Post by UvvU » #616117

Can't wait to decon the floor above the SM and drop a grenade in it.
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Valorium wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:45 pm Looks very nice! Aside from Science, what other departments have been properly completed, again? I had an idea in mind to make the Dorms/Recreation Area more interesting if you'd be interested in hearing it.
Cargo, Engineering and Science are the only one done. I don't have any ideas for dorm/recreation so far so I'd love to hear it!
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EuSouAFazenda wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:43 pmCargo, Engineering and Science are the only one done. I don't have any ideas for dorm/recreation so far so I'd love to hear it!
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Farquaar wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:48 pm Multi-Z Holodeck
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Sadly I'm not a code guy - and even if I were to become one, messing with both multi-Z code and holodeck code would be a horrible place to start - so I can't implement it myself.
HOWEVER, what I can do is put space above it. So on the lower Z-level there'd be the holodeck proper and on the top one there'd be empty space, with a few catwalks on the top to cross it.

Imagine walking through maint, you open a door and you're on the upper level of the holodeck; you can see from up there two guys chillin' in the beach while you cross the deck in the catwalk, to dissapear into maint once more when you reach the other side. That's just straight-up cool.

It also means that when someone does get brave enough to code Multi-Z holodeck I can super easily cut out that catwalk and turn it into a proper Multi-Z holodeck.
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Post by Valorium » #616166

My idea was that something that may be interesting is to make Dorms a set of full-fledged apartments rather than the room-with-closet-and-table set up we have in most stations at the moment. Using the multi-z, we can design it to feel like a two-story apartment building, with small balconies on the second-floor apartments from which to watch passers-by or comedically drop flowerpots on their heads. Each one could have a bedroom, living room and bathroom in their own little lay-outs and styles, which would add several large rooms that can be repurposed in a public place a la the Vacant Office or Commissary. I could do a basic sketch mockup or write up some more concrete layouts if you like.
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Valorium wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:15 pm My idea was that something that may be interesting is to make Dorms a set of full-fledged apartments rather than the room-with-closet-and-table set up we have in most stations at the moment. Using the multi-z, we can design it to feel like a two-story apartment building, with small balconies on the second-floor apartments from which to watch passers-by or comedically drop flowerpots on their heads. Each one could have a bedroom, living room and bathroom in their own little lay-outs and styles, which would add several large rooms that can be repurposed in a public place a la the Vacant Office or Commissary. I could do a basic sketch mockup or write up some more concrete layouts if you like.
This comment shot the bedrooms into the department I most want to do. Because I just finished Science I can springboard into the bedrooms right now - next one will be the bar/kitchen.
Eitherway, I have given in into my unhealthy work habits and here's some bedrooms.

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Outside of the dorms it's still a WIP - I still gotta add a bunch of stuff, specially around the holodeck. Inside of the dorms it's all finished. I've tried giving each bedroom a unique personality, some "soul" if you wish. Except for bedroom 4, on the top floor. Whatty'all think?
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Progress report.
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The dorms are all done.

In addition to the dorms, I have also made one of the solars:
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I always liked the solars but I dislike the whole "put down a wire and then forget about it" thing.
So I put it right next to Ordnance. Good luck.

That aside, something I want to do on every solar is the maintenance room. In most maps there's a room with the computer and SMES right next to the external airlock. Here I decided to, instead, have this room be within the solars themselves, right under it. I find it neat, plus bonus point for Multi-Z.


So! I was originally going to do service, but I realized there's another thing I should do first; Arrivals and Departures. Before I go to do another department I'm gonna finish up Arrivals, Departures and that gigantic maintenance behind Science. This is where you - yes, YOU - come in.

I do have ideas on how to fill that area, but I don't want to blow all of my load into this one spot. So, I'm looking for more ideas for maint rooms and setpieces! Post em' any ideas you have. The area I have is genuinely bigger than a department so don't worry about your idea being too big.

As a final thing - remember this station's whole schtick is Multi-Z so you'll gain extra points if you can incorporate that into your maint room.
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Post by datorangebottle » #616892

I always thought abandoned robotics and bar were cool staples to have.

Maybe have the abandoned bar overlooking a rage cage esque arena underneath it, using catwalks to get that whole 'gladiator pit' aesthetic where you have people leaning over the rails and throwing food and cheering for their favorite.
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Hello friends! Long time no see, eh? Time for some updates!

Here's a completed departure hall and chapel!
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Here's something I'm VERY excited to show you guys: The bar area!
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There's one more thing I want to show you all today: Cuban Pete's shrine.
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Remember - no looting the altar. The crown of the king of the rhumba beat and his shaker are sacred; do not take them. On the table, to honor his grand achievements there is a single pink glitter bomb. Use it well.



This is all I have to show today.
I have the courtroom, detective and lawyer's office area basically ready and I have started reworking the entire Engineering area into a much cooler design. Look forward for more updates in a few days!

What do you guys think?
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Catwalk station is going to be fucking boppin, I can't wait to get my ten vouchers and come back to catwalk. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK WE ARE ROOTIN FOR YOU!
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Post by Valorium » #617008

Considering how infrequently they're used, some kind of multi-z laser tag arena in maintenance would be really neat, with a similar style to traditional paintball arenas or otherwise. Place a few crates of each type of laser tag gear and people can go wild.

Another fun idea would be some portion of the station having a crashed shuttle incorporated into it, with normal titanium walls and such. Beyond that I have no real ideas, but it sounds fun to me!
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