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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #620766

Roleplaying isn't (or at least it shouldn't be) having a polite conversation with someone. What happened to paranoia? Are people not comfortable hating or disliking someone in character but not out of character?
People don't want to offend others, people don't want to make people dislike them OCC. Whenever one person is trying to kill another person they usually try to be funny to show that out of character they are not serious and don't dislike you. This sucks for immersion. The MRP rules certainly aren't helping.

If it helps MRP players, I give you permission to hate and be mean to any other character in-game, without hating them out of character. If you are concerned about it talk with them OCC after the round to make sure there are no hard feelings, and if there are it's their fault for not being able to separate game and reality.

So go out, be speciesist and petty. Mean spirited and paranoid. Insult someone and then throw their drink across the room when they insult you back. Demean a person missing a leg. Try to see characters, and not people behind screens.
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Post by Pandarsenic » #620767

But Dean Ivanov, the easiest spaceman to hate, doesn't play on Manuel
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Post by Armhulen » #620768

You just gotta be the change you want to see
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Post by cacogen » #620776

yeah the civility is a nice change of pace although just like LRP there's still the newfound bad habit of getting violent over nothing
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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #620786

cacogen wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:22 am yeah the civility is a nice change of pace although just like LRP there's still the newfound bad habit of getting violent over nothing
I wouldn't call it civility, it's more like "I don't want to offend you in any small way because I'll cry if you hate me."
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Post by Farquaar » #620799

I agree wholeheartedly. It’s weird that on the MRP server where people are presumably playing characters, spacemen are less likely to have interesting personalities than LRP. The majority on Manuel is a variation on Theresa Friendsmile: the lovable, kind, and polite friend to all creatures. It’s boring! It’s MRP for honkmother’s sake! RP a little! Be impatient! Have limits to your generosity! Treat aliens with discomfort or disdain! Deal with your underlings like the pointy-haired boss from Dilbert! Spice the station up a little!

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Post by Shadowflame909 » #620802

isnt MRP harsher on greytiding, validhunting, and basically every form of aggression in this game.

Sort of understands why people would default to mr nice guy, so they don't toe the line and get on the admins bad side.
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Post by Mothblocks » #620803

You can be an insufferable prat through words or inaction alone, it's a lot more enjoyable and entertaining that way even
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Post by NecromancerAnne » #620806

I don't even think people on LRP are that mean either, people generally aren't malicious or rude on purpose by default. Pretend racism and being actively hostile to people on a whim isn't really roleplay either, you know.
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Post by Jonathan Gupta » #620808

IM PURPOSELY A ASSHOLE!(I don't valid hunt anymore due to feeling like I ruin antag rounds as soon as I find you)

(And I try not to round remove and such unless you are actively a threat)

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Jonathan Gupta wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:50 am IM PURPOSELY A ASSHOLE!(I don't valid hunt anymore due to feeling like I ruin antag rounds as soon as I find you)

(And I try not to round remove and such unless you are actively a threat)

I HATE THESE FUCKS!!!(But it is weird they are a little to nice)
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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #620871

NecromancerAnne wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:40 am I don't even think people on LRP are that mean either, people generally aren't malicious or rude on purpose by default. Pretend racism and being actively hostile to people on a whim isn't really roleplay either, you know.
I'm not saying being hostile to someone is roleplay. I'm saying the environment is a boring social hugbox. Good roleplay can not exist without conflict.
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NecromancerAnne wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:40 am being actively hostile to people on a whim isn't really roleplay either
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Post by RaveRadbury » #620899

The current problem is that if you try to be a socially grumpy or antagonistic person a lot of players see it as an opportunity to escalate and they'll take it because you're inconveniencing their round.

Manuel generally has a problem with people looking to have "ideal rounds" where they are dismayed at the kinds of random station events that are what keep the game fresh. A simple example of this would be hacking into tech storage as a botanist because you NEED insuls to hack your vending machine. It's kinda like a bunch of small cases of Rule 10.

Take this concept and then try to apply it to broader social tensions. Not only do we have issues of players being inelegant with their initial aggressions but its just as likely that the recipients will go beyond what you would expect in some semblance of a work environment. Players are frequently so eager to act that they don't let things simmer and develop.

With other projects they go so far as to say "Hey, everyone in this world is kind of miserable and mean to each other. If you don't think you can do that you can play a nice or happy character just understand that bad things will happen and you're expected to react to that."

If the head of my department is being a big jerk about things (intentionally, with a good sense of style) I'm actually going to seek them out for interactions, personally. But I definitely think that there are some players who would chafe under that and get very reactionary.

People just gotta be ready to be entertained by difficult crew members, idk.
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Post by oranges » #620902

oh sure they're nice and accepting until you get into a minor IC escalation with one of the server's popular statics and then you're going to be run out of the server by constant and repeated metagrudging by around 30% of the population.
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Post by mrmelbert » #620911

Very true, the reason why oranges doesn't play on manuel is because he insulted me IC and everyone metagrudges him now.
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Post by oranges » #620915

I bought you into this world mrmelbert I can take you out of it again.
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Post by cacogen » #620916

oranges wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:42 am oh sure they're nice and accepting until you get into a minor IC escalation with one of the server's popular statics and then you're going to be run out of the server by constant and repeated metagrudging by around 30% of the population.
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oranges wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:42 am oh sure they're nice and accepting until you get into a minor IC escalation with one of the server's popular statics and then you're going to be run out of the server by constant and repeated metagrudging by around 30% of the population.
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Post by Notgonnabreaktherule » #620933

i have a giant phobia of anything that isnt LRP but from what i've seen and heard of manuel it looks like the moment you piss off a staticname you basically get RE4'd

also why is this in roleplaying
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Post by CMDR_Gungnir » #620939

cacogen wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:33 am
oranges wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:42 am oh sure they're nice and accepting until you get into a minor IC escalation with one of the server's popular statics and then you're going to be run out of the server by constant and repeated metagrudging by around 30% of the population.
so true bestie

also it's like they haven't had a run-in with yulice yet
Is this a solid enough case for a Metagrudge given Cacogen takes literally every opportunity he can to namedrop and insult someone who isn't even related to the current conversation?
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Post by oranges » #620957

the metagroup against cacogen consists of every single other person on tgstation hoping he would leave already.
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if you think everyone on manuel is nice you should play there for more than 3 rounds
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thgvr wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:05 pm if you think everyone on manuel is nice you should play there for more than 3 rounds
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Post by thgvr » #620965

sounds like an issue with you then
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thgvr wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:29 pm sounds like an issue with you then
Evidently I'm not the only one
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Post by oranges » #620989

I feel bad about what i said earlier cacogen isn't that bad they're just insufferable about hwo they post about how there is this cabal of admins and coders ruining the game all the time.

if they would just accept that sometimes peopel have different points of view to them and they can't win every argument they would be okay
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thgvr wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:29 pm sounds like an issue with you then
This was probably addressed at me. My answer is yes. Next question.
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Have you tried playing on Terry?
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cacogen wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:34 pm Have you tried playing on Terry?
man terry's just a cult, just existing there gives you brain damage
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They can’t metagrudge you if you always random.
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Post by Screemonster » #621081

maybe conflict should be driven by people having contradictory objectives and needs rather than "I'm going to be an abrasive shithead for no other reason than I decided to make a character that does that and now for some mysterious reason none of the other characters want to associate with the person that's an abrasive shithead"
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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #621118

Screemonster wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:45 am maybe conflict should be driven by people having contradictory objectives and needs rather than "I'm going to be an abrasive shithead for no other reason than I decided to make a character that does that and now for some mysterious reason none of the other characters want to associate with the person that's an abrasive shithead"
Good point, but also I think you misunderstand my view. I'm not advocating you play "Mr. Asshat" who loves stepping on kitten tails and spews nothing but insults. Just that everyone being in a state of perpetual niceness or sometimes witless indifference makes a really boring and unrealistic RP environment that fails to foster conflict.

Conflict for sure is sparked by disagreements and conflicting objectives, but it is fueled by character.

if you are hungry and the chef is making shitty food (conflict of interests), I imagine the default manual response is quiet resignation as you go to pick up something from a vending machine, or maybe politely asking the chef to make you something if you are feeling brave. A better response would be to confront the chef, call his food shit, and threaten to report him to the HOP if he doesn't start making better food. If the chef responds with anything but submission, congrats you have an RP conflict.
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Itseasytosee2me wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 am \
If it helps MRP players, I give you permission to hate and be mean to any other character in-game, without hating them out of character. If you are concerned about it talk with them OCC after the round to make sure there are no hard feelings, and if there are it's their fault for not being able to separate game and reality.
yeah, except this never happens. If you do something so much as an accident you will be remembered for eternity and grudged for the rest of your existence.

If you're not apart of the lizard / static name metagang you don't get to have fun.
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you can try powergaming to fight off the entire server, but maxwell admins cry when you do
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Post by cocothegogo » #625216

i remember i called a lizard a derogatory term icly and i got demoted and permad

you try to rp a dick head you get punished - manuel isn't a rp server its just dumb that's why people don't like it
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who knows, admins nowadays don't like lrp for powergaming and its at a point where they wont add stuff to lrp for fear of certain things.
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Itseasytosee2me wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 am Roleplaying isn't (or at least it shouldn't be) having a polite conversation with someone. What happened to paranoia? Are people not comfortable hating or disliking someone in character but not out of character?
People don't want to offend others, people don't want to make people dislike them OCC. Whenever one person is trying to kill another person they usually try to be funny to show that out of character they are not serious and don't dislike you. This sucks for immersion. The MRP rules certainly aren't helping.

If it helps MRP players, I give you permission to hate and be mean to any other character in-game, without hating them out of character. If you are concerned about it talk with them OCC after the round to make sure there are no hard feelings, and if there are it's their fault for not being able to separate game and reality.

So go out, be speciesist and petty. Mean spirited and paranoid. Insult someone and then throw their drink across the room when they insult you back. Demean a person missing a leg. Try to see characters, and not people behind screens.
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Post by Jonathan Gupta » #628784

BlevRuz wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:58 pm i wish i knew how to roleplay
same here, I know how to act perfectly and trick people but not roleplay.
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Post by Dopamiin » #628790

part of the problem is being mean etc is generally disincentivized because even ignoring the other stuff, it means someone has less of an IC reason to interact with you (why would my character want to talk to someone who isn't nice to them?) which means that you get to roleplay less in general

i have one static that's antisocial and another that's just a jerk sometimes, and it helps that they're both established characters, but ive definitely ran into situations where people just have no real IC reason to WANT to interact with a mean static (which is totally fair, of course, and i dont really have a work around for this.)

another thing is that playing a mean static is a balancing act because if you go too far you're just OOC griefing someone.

I'd imagine that another issue that comes with it is that manuel has its fair share of popchasers and LRP shitters who aren't roleplaying being mean, they just actually are being a dick, and it can be discouraging to try to roleplay with one and then just getting wordlessly shoved/having your shit stolen/etc

I love IC conflict but it usually requires a good few things to align (both players are mature, decent roleplayers and have a valid IC reason for their characters to dislike each other) which is why it doesnt happen very often
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I remember the days on basil even when you had a bunch of metagrudge groups, a bit of space racism and an ounce of murder. Acting nice then felt unique and genuine, now it feels like an expectation. But then again, it wasn’t strictly better, just different. My 2 cents.
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Re: Everyone on manual is so nice and accepting it gives me a fucking headache.

Post by terranaut » #646386

manuel was a mistake
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Re: Everyone on manual is so nice and accepting it gives me a fucking headache.

Post by Farquaar » #646387

terranaut wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:21 pm manuel was a mistake
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Re: Everyone on manual is so nice and accepting it gives me a fucking headache.

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Farquaar wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:51 am
terranaut wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:21 pm manuel was a mistake
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Re: Everyone on manual is so nice and accepting it gives me a fucking headache.

Post by cacogen » #646395

look it's just a bunch of metafriends who happen to be overly sensitive nerds jerking each other's statics off and if that's not your scene then you're better off on the lawless shitbox that is sybil full of underage teenagers griefing each other or the chernobyl exclusion zone that is terry
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Re: Everyone on manual is so nice and accepting it gives me a fucking headache.

Post by TheFinalPotato » #646396

I still believe we need to kill people more, people need to get it
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